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    Criminal Aliens to get Tax Rebates?

    Criminal aliens could get tax rebates under W's new tax rebate bill which contains language making them ineligible for the tax rebates. Millions of criminal aliens use individual taxpayer identification numbers, known as ITINs, as well as SS numbers, to file income tax returns with the IRS.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry...t_rebates.html

    So now they get free immigration, free healthcare, free housing, free education, free welfare, free foodstamps, free everything, and now free money.

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    and guess what Barack Obama supports a massive amnesty for illegal aliens

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandy View Post
    So now they get free immigration, free healthcare, free housing, free education, free welfare, free foodstamps, free everything, and now free money.
    Where can I sign up for this? Sounds great!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by draqon View Post
    and guess what Barack Obama supports a massive amnesty for illegal aliens
    Of course he does. Third world criminal aliens first. Terrorists will probably be next

    I just don't know how this bill can pass with all the pork in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandy View Post
    Criminal aliens could get tax rebates under W's new tax rebate bill which contains language making them ineligible for the tax rebates.
    I don't understand this sentence.

    They are eligible for a tax refund under a law which makes them ineligible?

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    had a mod but let him go spidergoat's Avatar
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    If these people are paying taxes, they are contributing to our treasury, nothing free about that.
    Last edited by spidergoat; 01-30-08 at 05:36 PM.

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    They are not eligible but they may have found a loophole in that they have stolen SS and other ID numbers.

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    had a mod but let him go spidergoat's Avatar
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    Would you be willing to raise taxes in order to deport illegal aliens?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spidergoat View Post
    Would you be willing to raise taxes in order to deport illegal aliens?
    Oh HELL yeah!

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    had a mod but let him go spidergoat's Avatar
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    huh

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    Caught in the machine shichimenshyo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandy View Post
    Oh HELL yeah!
    But what about raising taxes to help the mentally disabled recieve proper care?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandy View Post
    Criminal aliens could get tax rebates under W's new tax rebate bill which contains language making them ineligible for the tax rebates. Millions of criminal aliens use individual taxpayer identification numbers, known as ITINs, as well as SS numbers, to file income tax returns with the IRS.

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry...t_rebates.html

    So now they get free immigration, free healthcare, free housing, free education, free welfare, free foodstamps, free everything, and now free money.
    I think it's perfect! Bush is teh best Evah!

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    I don't understand Bush's reasoning. Some of the best and brightest economists are saying that the money is not going into the hands of the people who need it to get the economy going. did you guys watch hard-talk the other night. The economist there is one of the youngest ever given a full Professorship. He basically said that (a) politics make for crap economic polices during election time and (b) the huge tax cuts for the rich didn't do jack but put money into the hands of the rich. In real terms it can now be proven that this policy didn't put money into the hands of peoples who need it to keep the American economy moving forward.

    I've also thought about how very wealthy people are often happy to invest outside of the USA whereas middle class people usually invest within the USA.


    Anyway, we're headed into a recession.

    Michael

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    Let us not launch the boat ... Tiassa's Avatar
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    Cool Conflicting statements?

    Sandy

    It would seem you've put yourself in a difficult position.

    In the topic "Obama: Give Licenses to Illegal Aliens", you wrote,

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy

    I have no problem with LEGAL immigrants. How many times do I have to say it?
    Yet in this topic, you seem to object to legal, taxpaying resident aliens receiving the benefits of other American taxpayers. After all, the article you provided notes,

    The text of the House passed bill contains language making "non resident aliens"—illegal immigrants—ineligible for the tax rebates. But every year, hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants use individual taxpayer identification numbers, known as ITINs, to file income tax returns with the IRS. These ID numbers are used instead of Social Security numbers. There are no exact statistics for how many illegal immigrants file tax returns, but this New York Times story from last year details the significant increase in use of ITINs. This story also lays out the issue.

    Immigration advocates point out that many legal immigrants use ITINs, so it would be impossible to tell who is legal and who is not from those who use these IDs. The Senate version of the bill would prohibit use of ITINs, meaning some legal immigrants would not receive rebates.


    (Kady)
    If illegal immigrants are actually filing tax returns, that's actually a plus. And if they're paying taxes into the system, their immigration status should not preclude them from a rebate. If they're filing but not paying any outstanding tax debt, their rebate should do what it does for other tax delinquents. Many people, the last time the government sent out rebate checks, received letters telling them that their $300 was being applied to their outstanding debt. It would seem that, while we're supposed to be disgusted by illegal immigrants, we're also supposed to be happy to take their money.

    The big problem, though, is that it seems you're proposing that legal resident aliens should be screwed in order to make sure we can exclude illegals who are actually filing tax returns and paying taxes.

    Perhaps you could help us reconcile seemingly contradictory positions? While you "have no problem with legal immigrants", you're willing to punish or hurt many of them for actions that are not their own?

    They are not eligible but they may have found a loophole in that they have stolen SS and other ID numbers.
    This is a strange point to invoke, since the topic article in question dealt with legally-obtained ITINs, and not fraudulent SSNs. To note the aforementioned New York Times story:

    With the tax deadline approaching, illegal immigrants are sending in federal returns in what appear to be record numbers despite fears heightened by recent immigration raids around the country.

    The increase in filings comes amid talk of an immigration overhaul, with some proposals introduced in Congress linking amnesty to the payment of taxes. Many illegal immigrants showing up at tax preparation offices around the country say they hope that filing a return will create a paper trail that could lead to citizenship one day.

    In Raleigh, N.C., a tax preparer found 350 immigrants waiting outside his office at 7 a.m., including one dragging a suitcase that held $14,000 in cash for back taxes. In Baltimore, a community agency offering free tax help that was deserted the day after 69 people were rounded up in immigration raids elsewhere in the city was crowded again within 24 hours.

    And a help center in Queens did record business among illegal immigrants like Dionicio Quinde Lima, who has worked in construction strictly off the books since he arrived from Ecuador three years ago, but was eager to join the fold of United States taxpayers last week.

    "I feel it's my responsibility to pay," said Mr. Lima, 39, clutching a $202 money order for the Internal Revenue Service. "And if it helps me get papers, fine. The most important would be a permit to travel back and forth to see my family."

    Illegal immigrants do not have Social Security numbers, but the Internal Revenue Service allows them to file taxes by assigning applicants individual taxpayer identification numbers. The numbers were introduced in 1996 to encourage noncitizens with United States income, including foreign investors, to file returns. It is generally accepted that most of the 11 million numbers issued since then have gone to illegal immigrants.

    The I.R.S., which does not ask about immigration status, is barred from divulging taxpayer information, with very limited exceptions, to other agencies, like the Department of Homeland Security.


    (Bernstein)
    In 2005, ITINs paid $5 billion in tax burdens. Between 1996 and 2003, the total was near to $50 billion.

    There are legitimate questions to resolve regarding how these numbers are used, but these are beyond the scope of the IRS. Would you support an expansion of the IRS and augmentation of its legal authority in order to settle those questions? Should the IRS become a law-enforcement agency with powers pertaining to drivers' licenses, bank accounts, lines of credit, and immigration laws at the very least?

    The ITINs are a separate issue from SSNs, as the Associated Press pointed out last year:

    In 2004, the IRS got 7.9 million W-2s with names that didn't match a Social Security Number. More than half were from California, Texas, Florida and Illinois, states with large immigrant populations, leading experts to believe they likely represent the wages of illegal immigrants. Even immigrants who use ITINs to file taxes are forced to make up a Social Security Number when they get a job.

    (AP)
    Perhaps you feel people knock you unfairly when you raise what seem legitimate issues. Part of that would be that you represent those issues poorly. Such as the point about fraudulent SSNs, which—and please correct me if I'm wrong—seems to be a response to Spidergoat's note that these people are paying taxes. While there is certainly a discussion to be had about fraudulent SSNs, it's separate from the issue of who has an ITIN, and how many law-abiding immigrants might get screwed in order to appease a ravenous nationalism.
    _____________________

    Notes:

    Kady II, Martin. "Lou Dobbs alert: Illegal immigrants may get rebates" The Crypt. January 30, 2008. See http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry...t_rebates.html

    Bernstein, Nina. "Tax Returns Rise for Immigrants in U.S. Illegally". NYTimes.com. April 16, 2007. See http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/16/nyregion/16immig.html

    Associated Press. "Illegal immigrants filing taxes more than ever". MSNBC.com. April 13, 2007. See http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/

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    Let's get one thing clear.

    Quote Originally Posted by Oxford English Dictionary
    rebate /reebayt/

    • noun
    1. a partial refund to someone who has paid too much for tax, rent, etc.
    2. a deduction or discount on a sum due.

    • verb
    pay back as a rebate.

    Giving money back to someone that never paid any in the first place is not getting a rebate, they are getting a gift from the public treasury. This is nothing more than the government playing Robin Hood...

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