Terror Attack on the Eiffel Tower

[superstring01]

Christians are the same damned way.

Not "exactly" the same way. Whereas Christian churches (most notably the Catholic Church and several others) have actually analyzed their nature and admitted to mistakes in the past, Islam seems to have intentionally frozen itself in the past.

This is probably America's fault though.

I NEVER see Christians doing ANYTHING like what the vile radical Islamic terrorists are doing. NEVER.

No, but they did. The fact that it was in the past, is important, but it cannot be forgotten.

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[Brian Foley]

I NEVER see Christians doing ANYTHING like what the vile radical Islamic terrorists are doing. NEVER.

Christian prayer time



False Christians who do not see the truth as Jesus was a Palestinian martyr

[sandy]

GREAT picture of President George W. Bush- the BEST president EVER!! Thank you for posting that. Made my night!

[Brian Foley]

GREAT picture of President George W. Bush- the BEST president EVER!! Thank you for posting that. Made my night!

Its like being drunk whilst talking to someone under water .

[Buffalo Roam]

Lets delve a little deeper my friend. Shouldn't it be pointed out that many of the anti-Islam threads and posts on this forum are made by Christians that believe in all that End Times nonsense (Christ returning and the slaughtering of the Muslims), and also all that stuff about Muslims declaring war against the rest of the World blah blah. These posters also tend to be fervent supporters of the ‘war of terror’.

These Christians are as bad as the Muslim extremists in my opinion.

(Christ returning and the slaughtering of the Muslims),

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Shows just how little you know about Christianity, I have never heard that Jesus was going to return and slaughter all the Moslems, every thing I have ever been taught is that he will return to raise the dead, and intercede between them and God in the final judgement, those that believe will have ever lasting life, and those that don't will be cast into darkness, I don't really know if that means hell in the accepted sense, or what but nonbelievers will not receive Heaven, or Paradise.

Now how about some citation of proof for your statement;

(Christ returning and the slaughtering of the Muslims)

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=56503

There is also a recording of Abu Saif in his own words.

angry Muslim leader Abu Saif, who kept his voice at a fever pitch through declarations such as: "Brothers and sisters, make no mistake. Make no mistake. The British government, the queen, the MPs in this country, they are enemies to you, enemies to Allah and enemies to the Muslims."

Abu Saif is a member of the group Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Party of Liberation, which states its aim is to unify Muslims and establish the rule of Islamic law over the world.

"Are we to say that Muslims can fully practice religion in America," he asked in an attempt to explain. "Say, for instance, I was a Muslim in America. Could I call for the destruction of the American government and establishment of an Islamic state in America? No. So where is the freedom of religion? There is none."

Abu Saif explained Islam, like Christianity, has a prophetic tradition.

"One of the prophecies of the message of Muhammad was the hour will never come, i.e., the last day – which you also believe in – will never come until a group of the Muslims … will rise and conquer the white house."

I would call that a clear call to war by Islam, and Anjem Choudary.

The Moslems seem to be fervent supporters of the war to convert the world, by the sword, and kill all the Infidels that remain true to their religion, of course some will choose to become a bad Moslem rather than a dead Christian.

We have our martyrs to, but that title doesn't come to those that kill innocents in our religion, it is only applied for those who die for their faith, by the hands of others, not their own hand, in suicide murders.

[Buffalo Roam]

Its like being drunk whilst talking to someone under water .

Foley you seem to have a lot of practice at that, talking to yourself.

[S.A.M.]

Right.

Osama speaks English?

What did he really say? Or is this another CIA dress up guy making videos for those who can't tell truth from fantasy?

And please learn how de language is spoken so you know what using certain phrases really means

Like so:
http://akramsrazor.typepad.com/islam...tanding_t.html



http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world...845725,00.html

[Buffalo Roam]

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False Christians who do not see the truth as Jesus was a Palestinian martyr

Sorry Foley Israel was still the land of Jesus, and it was divided into two parts, Judea and Galilee, and identified as such by scholars from that time frame, and by the Romans until, 135 CE/AD, and in actuality, Jesus was from Galilee, making him a Galilean, tribe of Judah, People of Israel.

We should look at what some of the ancient authors had to say about Judea to get the flavor of how they saw the land. Pliny the Elder, whose great work, the Natural History, aspired to present universal knowledge, wrote admiringly of Judea's capital and religious center: "Jerusalem, by far the most illustrious city of the East, not merely of Judea." This description reflects a view of Judea as an important country. Pliny described Machaerus this way: "Machaerus, formerly the fortress of Judea next in importance to Jerusalem". Machaerus was east of the Dead Sea (now in Jordan). It fell to the Romans in 72 CE in the first Jewish revolt, the last stronghold to fall before Masada (in 73 CE). Tacitus, a Roman historian, also indicates Judea's geographic expanse. He tells us: "Judaea was divided: the Samaritans came under Felix and the Galileans under Ventidius ". Thus Tacitus clearly placed both Samaria and Galilee within Judea. Strabo the geographer does likewise. He writes: "Phoenicia is a narrow country and lies flat along the sea, whereas the interior above Phoenicia, as far as the Arabians, between Gaza and Antilibanus, is called Judaea". Strabo's Judea is larger than that which Tacitus indicated here. It also includes the Golan and a strip of land on the east bank of the Jordan. Elsewhere in Strabo, Judea's southern borders reach into the Sinai, touching on Egypt. The Latin and Greek authors used Judea in a broad sense, although Rome changed Judea's outer and inner political borders from time to time, assigning parts of the whole to various Herodian princes or Roman officials. Plutarch, by the way, also used "Palestine," but in the sense of Philistia, a coastal region adjacent to but distinct from Judea. The name "Palestine" was not used officially by the Romans before Hadrian (135 CE).

[madanthonywayne]

No, but they did. The fact that it was in the past, is important, but it cannot be forgotten.

Yes, hundreds of years ago some Christians were just as violent as the extreme Islamists are today. The Inquisition, the Salem witch trials. Bad stuff. But there's a huge difference between ancient history and current events.

[S.A.M.]

Yes, hundreds of years ago some Christians were just as violent as the extreme Islamists are today. The Inquisition, the Salem witch trials. Bad stuff. But there's a huge difference between ancient history and current events.

Yeah now they merely invade countries preemptively, cluster bomb or nuclear bomb civilians, supply arms, destroy democracies, support dictators and hold people without charge in secret prisons and torture them.

On second thoughts sounds like old times/

[Ghost_007]

I'll answer that one, policy, religious policy, the core of Islam as espoused and enumerated, by one of its most respected Ayatollahs, in Islam, and not just Him alone, but all through out the religious leadership of Islam.

Lmao. Get a clue Buffs.

Do this for me. Bring me one example of an Islamic scholar calling for terrorist attacks, attacks against Non-Muslims etc. The bigger the scholar, the better. And before you get going, Al-Qaeda and their leadership do not count, they are outcasts and not accepted in any Muslim country.

[Vega]

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False Christians who do not see the truth as Jesus was a Palestinian martyr

Jesus was a Jew... grandpa!

[Ghost_007]

Right.
This guy doesn't seem to agree. Let's see what Osama has to say about it:

"I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God. Our fight now is against the Americans." -- Osama bin Laden, quoted by Al-Quds Al-Arabi newspaper

"Hostility toward America is a religious duty, and we hope to be rewarded for it by God . . . . I am confident that Muslims will be able to end the legend of the so-called superpower that is America. Time Magazine

"We--with God's help--call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God's order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan's U.S. troops and the devil's supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson." Feb. 1998 - Bin Laden edict

``We are seeking to incite the (Islamic) nation to rise up to liberate its land and to (conduct) jihad (holy war) for the sake of God." -- al-Jazeera, June 1999.

Of course we should ignore what the jihadists say, and just listen to SAM. To even suggest that when Osama says "I'm fighting so I can die a martyr and go to heaven to meet God." he's motivated by religion is anti-muslim hate speech. Same deal when he speaks of God's order to kill the Americans. There's no religious motivation there. That's strictly secular. If only those jihadists weren't so secular, they wouldn't think God had ordered them to kill Americans!

The problem is you take a person with an extreme position and insinuate that all Muslims hold the same position. That is blatant deception and bigotry. Everyone knows that Osama Bin Laden is fighting against America, Bin Laden sees it as his religious obligation (to fight against the aggressor). That is nothing new. He made a fatwa calling for war against the US however this was ignored by Muslims. Muslim countries are full of religious scholars, scholars with a different view and opinion of the World around them. Many intentionally ignore this.

The fact remains that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding. Now matter how much propaganda is propagated (by Christian fanatics, Zionists, ‘Christian Zionists’, bigots, Islamophones etc.) to demonise Muslims (even those born and raised in the West - including America) it does not change what is going on in the real World.

[(Q)]

The problem is you take a person with an extreme position and insinuate that all Muslims hold the same position. That is blatant deception and bigotry. Everyone knows that Osama Bin Laden is fighting against America, Bin Laden sees it as his religious obligation (to fight against the aggressor). That is nothing new. He made a fatwa calling for war against the US however this was ignored by Muslims. Muslim countries are full of religious scholars, scholars with a different view and opinion of the World around them. Many intentionally ignore this.

As you ignore the problem, you become part of it. We therefore have to take matters into our own hands as Muslims sit back and do nothing as they see this as a religious obligation.

Your position may be different, but you support Bin Laden by doing nothing.

Of course, your view of America is probably a similar position, is it not?

[madanthonywayne]

The problem is you take a person with an extreme position and insinuate that all Muslims hold the same position. That is blatant deception and ,bigotry.

What are you talking about, Ghost? When have I done that? I was speaking of extremist Muslims, not all Muslims.

On the other hand, denying that the Islamofascists (aka the extremist muslim terrorists) have a religious motivation is just as big a distortion as saying that all Muslims are terrorists.

Everyone knows that Osama Bin Laden is fighting against America, Bin Laden sees it as his religious obligation. That is nothing new. He made a fatwa calling for war against the US however this was ignored by Muslims.

You say his fatwa was ignored by Muslims. Clearly, someone was listening or he'd have had to fly those planes himself. You should have said his fatwa was ignored by most Muslims.

The fact remains that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful and law-abiding.

Did I ever say anything different?

Now matter how much propaganda is propagated (by Christian fanatics, Zionists, ‘Christian Zionists’, bigots, Islamophones etc.) to demonise Muslims (even those born and raised in the West - including America) it does not change what is going on in the real World.

Islamophones? Is that like a Flutophone? Some kind of instrument?

Just kidding. Anyway, I don't really understand what you're talking about. Who is saying all Muslims are evil? President Bush has been careful to make clear he's not against all Muslims, just the Islamofascists. I'll admit there are a few who claim there is no such thing as a moderate muslim, but that is a minority opinion.

[Buffalo Roam]

Lmao. Get a clue Buffs.

Do this for me. Bring me one example of an Islamic scholar calling for terrorist attacks, attacks against Non-Muslims etc. The bigger the scholar, the better. And before you get going, Al-Qaeda and their leadership do not count, they are outcasts and not accepted in any Muslim country.

Khomeini tells us that:

“Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!

There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”

“Islam grew with blood . . . . The great prophet of Islam in one hand carried the Koran and in the other a sword . . . . Islam is a religion of blood for the infidels but a religion of guidance for other people.”

"We are not fighting so that you will offer us something. We are fighting to eliminate you."

---Hussein Massawi, the former Hezbollah leader behind the slaughter of U.S. and French forces 20 years ago.

“Allah revealed Islam in order that humanity could be governed according to it. Unbelief is darkness and disorder. So the unbelievers, if they are not suppressed, create disorder. That is why the Muslims are responsible for the implementation of Allah's Law on the planet, that humanity may be governed by it, as opposed to corrupt man-made laws. The Muslims must make all efforts to establish the religion of Allah on the earth”

---Muhammad 'Abdus Salam Faraj, “Jihad: The Absent Obligation”, p43

[maxzuk]

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Shows just how little you know about Christianity, I have never heard that Jesus was going to return and slaughter all the Moslems, every thing I have ever been taught is that he will return to raise the dead, and intercede between them and God in the final judgement, those that believe will have ever lasting life, and those that don't will be cast into darkness, I don't really know if that means hell in the accepted sense, or what but nonbelievers will not receive Heaven, or Paradise.

Muhammad wasn't born till around 570 A.D.
Jesus knew nothing of Islam.

[Buffalo Roam]

Muhammad wasn't born till around 570 A.D.
Jesus knew nothing of Islam.

Dam I'm slow on the uptake, the most obvious point of all, what a dunderhead I am, thanks maxzuk.

[Neildo]

Muhammad wasn't born till around 570 A.D.
Jesus knew nothing of Islam.

That doesn't stop radical Christians from twisting the Bible the same way radical Muslims do of the Koran. Both are loony with their wars and end times prophecies.

- N

[Gustav]

i say!
total letdown of a thread
promissory terrorist attacks aint gonna cut it here

/sorely disappointed at jihadists and trolling thread titles