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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Whats to stop Americans from staging an explosion?

    Making up stories?

    Faking videos?

    Cui bono?
    SAM. please make the distinction between the Bush administration and the Americans. Seventy percent or more of the Americans do not approve of what Bush II has done and is doing. Most Americans did not even vote for Bush II. Most of the electors did not vote for Bush II when he first ran for the office he now holds. His re-election is still a question in the eyes of many. So when you say Americans, you should be saying Bush II.

    Most Americans want to leave the area as we have bigger fish to fry and better ways to spend our money.

    Is the Bush II regime capable of doing the things you referenced? Yes. Would they do it well? Historically, the Bush II regime has not executed domestic or international policies very well. This government has a basic problem with competence.

    I would suggest, not to do anything that would give the Bush II government reason to take any military action...just let his government fade into history and let history be his judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Was the grenade one of those supplied by the US to the Sunni extremists?

    Head found in Wajihia, east of BaqoubaIBC Incident k8688
    Type severed head found
    Deaths recorded 1

    Targeted or hit head found
    Place Wajihia, east of Baqouba
    Date 24 November 2007
    Sources McCla 24 Nov
    Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

    Neither personal nor demographic information was reported for the person killed in this IBC entry.

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    Was it a Sunni head? Shiite head? American head? Saudi head? Did it get decapitatied in a cluster bomb or air raid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    Was it a Sunni head? Shiite head? American head? Saudi head? Did it get decapitatied in a cluster bomb or air raid?
    Body of kidnapped 17-year-old found in NajafIBC Incident k8680
    Type executed
    Deaths recorded 1

    Targeted or hit Amir Ibrahim Hassan, kidnapped boy
    Place Najaf
    Date 20 November 2007 - 23 November 2007
    Sources VOI 23 Nov
    Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

    Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported
    IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex
    k8680-kh972 Amir Ibrahim Hassan 17 Male

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    Don't worry plenty of ammo to shoot people yet



    By a vote of 76-17, the Senate approved the $US556 billion ($644 billion) fiscal 2008 spending bill.

    Marking another defeat for Democrats trying to end nearly five years of combat in Iraq, the Senate included $70 billion ($81 billion) in new money for the war there and in Afghanistan. Attempts to attach Iraq troop withdrawal plans failed.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...-12335,00.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepistole View Post
    SAM. please make the distinction between the Bush administration and the Americans. Seventy percent or more of the Americans do not approve of what Bush II has done and is doing. Most Americans did not even vote for Bush II. Most of the electors did not vote for Bush II when he first ran for the office he now holds. His re-election is still a question in the eyes of many. So when you say Americans, you should be saying Bush II.

    Most Americans want to leave the area as we have bigger fish to fry and better ways to spend our money.

    Is the Bush II regime capable of doing the things you referenced? Yes. Would they do it well? Historically, the Bush II regime has not executed domestic or international policies very well. This government has a basic problem with competence.

    I would suggest, not to do anything that would give the Bush II government reason to take any military action...just let his government fade into history and let history be his judge.

    The Senate just funded the war for another year. Thats another years worth of dead people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    What would you like me to tell the Iraqis and Afghanis on your behalf?

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    SAM it takes time to leave Iraq...especially when you have a president who is bent on keeping forces in Iraq. In the United States we have bit of a problem. The president controls the troops. The congress pays the bills. The congress cannot order the troops home. And politically they cannot not fund the troops. As Americans, we must support our troops.
    We will be in Afganistan when the Afganis can take care of themselves and when the threat to our lands has been terminated. Bush II was wrong to invade Iraq. He was not wrong to invade Afganistan...now he did not execute either action competently. But that is another story. Had he done so, we would be out of Afganistan by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepistole View Post
    SAM it takes time to leave Iraq...especially when you have a president who is bent on keeping forces in Iraq. In the United States we have bit of a problem. The president controls the troops. The congress pays the bills. The congress cannot order the troops home. And politically they cannot not fund the troops. As Americans, we must support our troops.
    We will be in Afganistan when the Afganis can take care of themselves and when the threat to our lands has been terminated. Bush II was wrong to invade Iraq. He was not wrong to invade Afganistan...now he did not execute either action competently. But that is another story. Had he done so, we would be out of Afganistan by now.
    I consider both invasions illegal. And the dead Afghanis and Iraqis too high a price for American hubris.

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    Afganistan through bin laden attacked the United States and murdered thousands of innocent people,that cannot stand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepistole View Post
    Afganistan through bin laden attacked the United States and murdered thousands of innocent people,that cannot stand.
    Don't be silly.

    First of all, Osama is Saudi

    Second, the Taleban offered to give him up if the US gave evidence of his involvement

    Third, the US refused because they could not give evidence because according to the FBI there isn't any

    Fourth, the Taleban offered to hold an Islamic court proceedings and determine for themselves if he was involved; again the US refused

    Fifth, the Taleban offered to hand him over to a third neutral party, for assessing his involvement; the US refused

    Sixth, the President disbanded the group set up for searching for OBL and claimed that he does not care where Osama is.

    So wtf are you doing in Afghanistan? When you have no evidence for anything, don't want to try OBL or even find him?

    Why are you bombing Afghani civilians? What did they ever do to you?

  11. #271
    I think we have been through this before SAM. There is plenty of evidence against bil laden including his own statements. Second, death of innocent civilians is the responsiblity of the enemy who does not have the guts to meet military forces on the battle field or at least not in the proximity of civilians. How many civilians has the Taliban killed outright and intentionally...a lot.
    You and I both share a distaste for Bush junior. But the United States has every right and obligation to defend itself from attack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joepistole View Post
    I think we have been through this before SAM. There is plenty of evidence against bil laden including his own statements. Second, death of innocent civilians is the responsiblity of the enemy who does not have the guts to meet military forces on the battle field or at least not in the proximity of civilians. How many civilians has the Taliban killed outright and intentionally...a lot.
    You and I both share a distaste for Bush junior. But the United States has every right and obligation to defend itself from attack.
    I'm sorry. The FBI says there is no evidence. You President has DISBANDED the unit that was searching for him. The US refused all attempts to try OBL and your President has said Osama is not a priority.

    Tell me again why you are bombing civilians in Afghanistan

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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    I'm sorry. The FBI says there is no evidence. You President has DISBANDED the unit that was searching for him. The US refused all attempts to try OBL and your President has said Osama is not a priority.

    Tell me again why you are bombing civilians in Afghanistan
    Why are is al Queda bombing and killing in Iraq?

    159-160 by suicide truck bomb in market, Amerli, near Tuz KhurmatoIBC Incident k6891
    Type suicide truck bomb
    Deaths recorded 159-160

    Targeted or hit possibly Kurdish Communist Party HQ, outdoor market hit
    Place Amerli, near Tuz Khurmato
    Date and time 7 July 2007, 8:30 AM
    Sources AP 09 Jul
    KUNA 07 Jul

    Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported
    IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex
    k6891-nd1044 Khalid Bayati, brother of Amir Bayati Adult Male
    k6891-xz1040 Cousin of Ali Hussein Adult Male
    k6891-nv1119 Child of dead woman Child Unrecorded
    k6891-hx1065 Wife of Abbas Kadhim Adult Female
    k6891-fm1048 Father of Abbas Kadhim Adult Male
    k6891-hw1123 Mother of Abbas Kadhim Adult Female
    k6891-nw1045 Brother of Abbas Kadhim Adult Male
    k6891-ke990 Son of Abbas Kadhim 6 Male
    k6891-nf1111 Son of Abbas Kadhim 8 Male
    k6891-ka1060 Uncle of Imad Abdul Hussein Adult Male

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    1 Unrecorded Adult Female

    Of the 159 to 160 deaths recorded here, some personal information was reported for 10 of the dead.

    Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 1 other person recorded killed.

    Neither personal nor demographic information was reported for another 148-149 people killed in this IBC entry.

    8-13 in two car bombings in MosulIBC Incident k8670
    Type car bombs, one possibly suicide
    Deaths recorded 8-13

    Targeted or hit police patrols
    Place Al-Mithaq Square and Al-Baath crossroads, Mosul
    Date and time 23 November 2007, 12:00 PM
    Sources REU 23 Nov
    AFP 23 Nov
    CNN 23 Nov
    AP 24 Nov

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    6 Police Adult Male

    Decapitated and tortured body of man found in KirkukIBC Incident k8664
    Type decapitated and tortured
    Deaths recorded 1

    Targeted or hit decapitated and tortured body of man found
    Place Kirkuk
    Date 22 November 2007
    Sources REU 22 Nov
    Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    1 Unrecorded Adult Male

    Beheaded body of man found on bridge leading to 17th Tammouz, MosulIBC Incident k8423
    Type found beheaded
    Deaths recorded 1

    Targeted or hit beheaded body of man found
    Place bridge leading to 17th Tammouz, Mosul
    Date 14 November 2007
    Sources MO 14 Nov
    Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    1 Unrecorded Adult Male

    5 Sunni tribal leaders by child suicide bomber, Dojemah, near KhalisIBC Incident k8061
    Type suicide bomber
    Deaths recorded 6

    Targeted or hit meeting of Sunni tribal leaders
    Place Dojemah, near
    Date and time 9 November 2007, PM
    Sources DPA 12 Nov
    McCla 10 Nov

    Individuals for whom personal or identifying details were reported
    IBC page Identifying details (number if more than one) Age Sex
    k8061-ea888 Fa'ez al-Ubeid / Fa'iz al-Ubaydi Adult Male
    k8061-dx963 Husayn Diyab al-Ubaydi Adult Male
    k8061-ec1090 Ahmad Shahir al-Ubaydi Adult Male

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    2 Tribal leader, Sunni Adult Male
    1 Unrecorded 10 Male

    Of the 6 deaths recorded here, some personal information was reported for 3 of the dead.

    Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 3 other people recorded killed.

    Beheaded body found in Al-Ighabat, north of HillaIBC Incident k8032
    Type found beheaded
    Deaths recorded 1

    Targeted or hit beheaded body found
    Place Al-Ighabat, north of Hilla
    Date and time 6 November 2007, PM
    Sources McCla 06 Nov
    Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

    Decapitated body found in KirkukIBC Incident k8024
    Type found decapitated
    Deaths recorded 1

    Targeted or hit decapitated body found
    Place Kirkuk
    Date 5 November 2007
    Sources DPA 05 Nov
    Single-sourced record. Instructions for submitting other reports.

    15 bodies, mostly of female students, found in al-Ehaimer. near BaqubaIBC Incident k8253
    Type -
    Deaths recorded 15

    Targeted or hit bodies found, 'mainly of female students'
    Place al-Ehaimer, northeast of Baquba
    Date 27 October 2007
    Sources WP 29 Oct
    WP 07 Nov (MoH)

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    8 Student Unrecorded Female

    Only demographic information, without any identifying details, was available for 8 people

    15-25 bodies found shot, some decapitated, in Nadhum, near Lake ThartharIBC Incident k7823
    Type gunfire, executed, some beheaded
    Deaths recorded 15-25

    Targeted or hit bodies found shot dead, some decapitated
    Place Nadhum, near Lake Tharthar
    Date 22 October 2007
    Sources REU 23 Oct
    LAT 24 Oct
    NYT 23 Oct
    AP 22 Oct

    Individuals for whom only demographic or other non-personal information was reported
    Number killed Occupation Age Sex
    15 Unrecorded Adult Male

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    What al Qaeda.

    Any Tom Dick and Harry can call themselves al Qaeda.

    The last leader in Iraq was an Egyptian actor.

    The man known as Abu Omar Baghdadi is an actor and the group a front for Al Qaeda in Iraq, the military says. In March, he was declared captured. In May, he was declared killed, and his purported corpse was displayed on state-run TV. But on Wednesday, Abu Omar Baghdadi, the supposed leader of an Al Qaeda-affiliated group in Iraq, was declared nonexistent by U.S. military officials, who said he was a fictional character created to give an Iraqi face to a foreign-run terrorist organization.
    Guess the US gave them a lot of funds and arms to fight "al Qaeda".



    Anyway the FBI, CIA and President don't care.

    "The FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden with the 9/11 attacks on america" - FBI spokesman Rex Tomb
    A CIA unit that had hunted for Usama bin Laden and his top deputies for a decade has been disbanded, according to a published report. Citing unnamed intelligence officials, The New York Times reported Tuesday that the unit, known as "Alec Station," was shut down late last year. The decision to close the unit, which predated the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, was first reported Monday by National Public Radio. (Source: Associated Press, July 4, 2006)
    Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’
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    Quote Originally Posted by S.A.M. View Post
    What al Qaeda.

    Any Tom Dick and Harry can call themselves al Qaeda.

    The last leader in Iraq was an Egyptian actor.



    Guess the US gave them a lot of funds and arms to fight "al Qaeda".



    Anyway the FBI, CIA and President don't care.





    Bush Tells Barnes Capturing Bin Laden Is ‘Not A Top Priority Use of American Resources’
    So then why are your moslem brothers bombing and killing in innocent Iraqis in Iraq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam View Post
    So then why are your moslem brothers bombing and killing in innocent Iraqis in Iraq?
    For power, it is the Baathists who are being armed.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2220868,00.html
    Last edited by S.A.M.; 01-10-08 at 02:21 AM.

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    If those little boats were a threat, they would have been taken out long before they got that close, U.S battle cruisers have an incredible range and multiple target locking batteries. They be looking for a bruising if they mess with a cruiser!

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    The pilots of those boats are probably still laughing at us.

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