12-29-07, 05:34 PM #101
Before venturing into philosophy, try getting a decent education as a foundation.
12-29-07, 05:47 PM #102
As I understand it, starting a forum does not confer infallability, although you may disagree. You may find this unbelievable but I have been to uni also and one thing I learned was that claims must be supported by evidence . I have seen little evidence here to support Eastern wisdom.
I suggested a few posts ago that we should draw the line under this discussion. I relented but you may take this as my last post on this thread, make of it what you will. Go talk to Britney and you will be on the right level.
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12-29-07, 08:32 PM #103
Go talk to Britney and you will be on the right level.
You may find this unbelievable but I have been to uni also
12-29-07, 09:00 PM #104
Video - Broadcast UK - Channel 4 - Dec 26, 2007
Theologian Dr Robert Beckford investigates amazing parallels to the Christ story in other faiths, some of them predating Christianity by thousands of years. The Hindu god, Krishna, was conceived by a virgin and his birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds. Buddha was also the result of a miraculous birth and visited by wise men bearing gifts. Beckford attempts to unravel the mystery of why there are so many versions of the Christ story across the world and asks which is the real one.
12-29-07, 09:24 PM #105
ideas that are alien to the West.
(so much so that I forgot who posted it)
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12-30-07, 05:17 AM #106
Speaking of constructivism…
For knowledge has to depend on something in order to be appropriate, and that which it depends on is never fixed. (Taoist: Zhuangzi, 4th century)
What am I missing?
In what context?
What do you in fact miss?
Or did you mean….
Prove to me I am missing something and if you cannot to my satisfaction then I am not missing something
this means there is nothing there to be missed
Not to mention the interpersonal message.
What do you in fact miss?
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12-30-07, 05:25 AM #107
As to qualifications, I was only paying you back in your own coin. I have not felt the need to say anything about my background up to now.
Can you not understand one simple thing: If you cannot adduce evidence to support an argument, shouting about your qualifications from the rooftop does nothing but weaken your position. "Believe me because I'm qualified " makes a fine basis for an academic debate.
Kmguru suggests you have a mission to teach the misguided. Had I only noticed that earlier., I would have sat at your feet and taken notes. I could have been your "glasshopper"
12-30-07, 05:31 AM #108
It includes a phenomenon somewhat like a Vietnamese person, who having watched the Simpsons on cable for a while, thinks the West has nothing to teach them about humour or animation because they have the Simpsons in Vietnam.
12-30-07, 07:17 AM #109
you have an intuitive grasp of whatnots. welcome and stick around
deconstruct the slogan, Western Intellectual Tradition. por favor
schools of thought., differing emphasis
not diametrically opposed yet not entirely complementary
most excellent analogies too
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12-30-07, 09:11 AM #110
but it does raise the issue of ottoman and arabic cultures that once were broader, more cosmopolitan and included both the West and the East and served as a bridge between...
were they Eastern
'we' become Eastern when 'influenced' by and scavenging through north African texts?
Did Native Americans become Western when they walked over?
Should we give back the potato and Iriquois notions of democracy?
of the Russians?
Would I really be the same man without the Brothers K
and Checkov's short stories.
And what can we learn from cultures we are so 'superior' to
using the Eastern Wisdom of gunpowder
amongst other bits of Wisdom
when we eradicated them
like the aboriginals
What have most of 'we' lost - not me so much having lived amongst them for a time as they scrabble together what was lost - by
assuming so much
about those Easterners(?)?
12-30-07, 09:13 AM #111
Is the 'East' only in the 'North'
or is that 'Western"?
Talk about dreamtime...
Grubby little lice that somehow took over the world.
12-30-07, 09:26 AM #112
12-30-07, 09:27 AM #113
Soon 'we' will find out 'we' never had anything to learn from women
with evidence from Nobel prize winner lists.
12-30-07, 09:31 AM #114
fucking awesome..........biting wit ladened down with a ton of sarcasm
12-30-07, 09:46 AM #115
If I haven’t learned anything from women (or more cleverly haven't noticed that I have) can I cite this as evidence that there is nothing to learn from women?
Hey, maybe I could quality as a kind of civilization if I do this?
(see you shouldn't encourage me)
12-30-07, 12:05 PM #116
You choose well. If you know anything about Chekhov's plays you will be aware that they are about one society dying out to be replaced by another. Think East West. People stuck in the past.
Geography: Antopodies were not near India when I last looked. Tectonic plates on the move? Ask a Hindu or a Buddhist. Ignore Western science. What can we learn ? How to lead a nomadic lifestyle, live off grubs and roots with occasional meat. People highly skilled as are all others who have adapted to their environment. Viva Darwin.
Arab wisdom : Koran or Avicenna ? Explain yourself !
Africa: As with Australian aboriginals, adapted to their environment . Excellent people but written texts ? Examples please
Ottomans: Great for having lots of wome in harem. A brothel where you don't have to pay. What else ?
As for your analogy, you are assuming the Simpsons were watched in vacuuo. Difference if watched for almost three years in the US ?
12-30-07, 01:17 PM #117
Hence by definition, the Wisdom of the East already vetted out the data, information and knowledge to reach the level of Wisdom. Any information that has not been vetted out is meaningless and can not be called Wisdom.
To pu it another way, it is dumb to ask "Is gold, gold?" or "Is gold from India or China, gold?"
12-30-07, 01:33 PM #118
12-30-07, 03:04 PM #119
Originally Posted by myles
There is usually a version for the masses, when a religion coalesces around some grain of wisdom.
Respect for the complexity - even the aspects of thought and personality - inherent in the "material" world might be a bit of Eastern wisdom the West could use.
12-30-07, 05:46 PM #120
As far as respect for the complexity inherent in natural world ,I would understand that as a love of nature. respect for the environmewnt, the right of others and so on. I am on record as saying that I do not despise any race or creed; it's a matter of not subscribing to what they believe.
Something which I've read on hear on here chimes with my understanding of Spinoza who, as you probably know, was given a hard time by Jews and Christians for his beliefs. He saw everything as one and that makes sense to me. I see myself as part of a whole. I can wonder at the night sky, watching seedlings become flowering plants and so on. But that does not stifle my curiosity about how such things happen.
Rampant consumerism horrifies me as do many other thing that humankind does. I see the earth being raped so that baubles can be manufactured , etc. but I got my views by looking through Western spectacles, which is not to deny that it is absent in the East. I was seeking differences between Eastern thought and ours but I have found nothing new.
The East has nothing to compare with Western medicine to name just one by-product of the scientific method .
To conclude, I can describe a sunset in terms of the underlying physics but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying its sheer beauty.
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