no money land ( African dream) or Asian or South American

Discussion in 'Science & Society' started by rorotag, Dec 7, 2007.

  1. rorotag Registered Member

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    what if there is a land for hope for those inmmigrants seaching for a better life,
    A volunteer land whereby everybody is a volunteer from people coming from "Developed" areas such an architects , doctors, builders,bakers, etc... and from "developing" areas, peope in search of an oportunity for work, education,live in peace.
    What if we create a sample city with volunteers, with no money, all basic needs will be granted such as food, housing, health and education, and everybody will have the oportunity to develop his skills in the way they feel better.
    No communism , no capitalism, just common sense and sense for the community, everybody will do some works for the rest and will learn something.
    How to build this?
    You can give ideas...
    First convincing a goverment to give away a small portion of its land to create an independent state, for instance north of africa,
    Creating a retirement or touristic place for the wealthy with all the amusements....
    Facilitating innovative company to stablish here, with energy, warehouses and communications granted.(sales of theirs products will feedback the organisation and the creators of the products
    creating fishing farms...

    All energy from renewable sources.
    This organisation has to be self-independent in the economy, energy, and political decisions.
    All religions are wellcomed as long as respect to the rest is observed
    The governance will be form by experts in every discipline (politicians,sociologist,economist,religious,ethics,etc...)

    I have more and more ideas about this state of wellbeing without money...
    We just need someone well aware of the situation of thousand of african people in their exodus to Europe, how many die?
    On the other side How many people feel empty inside having all the toys and comforts of the "developed" countries.
    We you and me can make ourselves a bit happier if we start this project, first with a plan organising the ideas of everybody, discussing options feasibles then looking for someone wealthy that wants a better world ( gates foundation would be fine)
    My sons and yours deserve a way to make the world a better place.
    My first time I ever write something like this in a public discusion forum, altough I have no answer I will keep thinking how to make real an oportunity for all of us volunteers from the developed and developing countries.
     
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  3. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    I think you need to read more about the various functions of money. Your society will need something to act as a measure and store of value, even if everyone is non-selfish and hard-working.

    What happens when someone wants some extra food (or better clothes, or some art to hang on the wall, or whatever). How much harder do they need to work to get what they want? You have to have some way to relate the value of work that people are doing to the value of goods and services, ie money.
     
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  5. Read-Only Valued Senior Member

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    In essence all you're suggesting is pretty much a revival of the hippy communes of the 1960s. Your idea would fail for exactly the same reasons that all of those did. There will be certain necessary jobs that no one will choose to do, lazy members that won't work at all and absolutely no incentive to "get ahead." Without a means of improving one's conditions - more and better things, more time off, etc. - they will just drift away as the hippies did.
     
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  7. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    The Hog Farm is an organization considered to be America's longest running hippie commune. With beginnings as an actual collective hog farm in Tujunga, California, the group, founded in the 1960s by Wavy Gravy, evolved into a "mobile, hallucination-extended family", active internationally in both music and politics.

    The Hog Farm is perhaps best known for their involvement with the Woodstock Music Festival. While lodging on Manhattan's East Side from 1968-69, the Farm was approached by Woodstock Ventures with a proposal — participate in a planned music festival in upstate New York. Although the Farm had just bought land in Llano, New Mexico (near Truchas, New Mexico) and the commune had plans to depart New York City and settle in Llano, they accepted the offer to become involved with Woodstock. Recruited to build fire pits and trails on the festival grounds at Woodstock, the Hog Farm convinced the promoter to let them set up a free kitchen as well.

    Just prior to Woodstock, the Hog Farm attended the 1968 Democratic Convention in Chicago. At the convention, the Farm and Abbie Hoffman presented a satirical presidential candidate, a pig named Pigasus, who remained with the Hog Farm after the convention. Upon returning to New York, they were met by the world press at John F. Kennedy International Airport and told for the first time that they had also been assigned the task of providing security at Woodstock.

    Gravy called his rather unorthodox security force the "Please Force," a reference to their non-intrusive tactics at keeping order ("please don't do that, please do this instead"). When asked by the press what kind of tools he intended to use to maintain order at the event, his instant response was "Cream pies and seltzer bottles."

    Shortly after Woodstock, the Hog Farmers helped keep the peace between the cowboys and the hippies at the Texas Pop Festival, where blues giant B. B. King gave Wavy Gravy his name.

    Recruited by San Francisco underground radio pioneer Tom Donahue and Warner Brothers Records to travel around the country and be filmed for a movie called Cruising for Burgers, later renamed Medicine Ball Caravan, the Hog Farmers bused themselves across America, setting up stages for mainstream rock artists. Finally, in 1970 after a concert with Pink Floyd in Bishopsbourne, England, the Farmers pooled their movie salaries (and some funds raised for them from a benefit staged by a London commune) and continued their trek across Europe, and into India.

    In 1978, the Hog Farm assisted in the founding of the Seva Foundation, a non-profit organization dedicated to alleviating suffering caused by disease and poverty.

    Today, the Hog Farm is still in existence, with various locations including a headquarters in Berkeley, California, and a 200+ acre farm in Laytonville, California, known as Black Oak Ranch -- also home to Wavy Gravy's performing arts camp for children, Camp Winnarainbow. Black Oak plays host to several music festivals each year, most of which operate in support of charitable causes. One such event was the annual Hog Farm Family Pig-Nic, which has featured performances by artists such as Ben Harper, Spearhead, and others. In recent years the Kate Wolf and Earthdance festivals have been held there.

    From WIKI
     
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