Freedom Requires Religion?

[spidergoat]

Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone.

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

[countezero]

He was quoting John Adams, I think. But I'm not sure I buy the argument, no matter who it comes from. I think what he is trying to say, with a nod to the Declaration, is that freedom is an inalienable right endowed by the Creator. So without that Creator, there is no foundation for freedom?

[shichimenshyo]

There is also no opression, hate, or murder.



Mitt Romney is pro murder?!?!!?

[Tiassa]

Mitt Romney is pro murder?!?!!?

Well, we already know he's pro-torture.

And tube steaks. Mmm. Loves them tube-steaks.

[shichimenshyo]

Well, we already know he's pro-torture.

And tube steaks. Mmm. Loves them tube-steaks.

whats wrong with a tube steak?....

[Tiassa]

whats wrong with a tube steak

Well, nothing. Unless you're a "family-values" candidate. He also likes vanilla steamers.

And, you know, without a Creator, apparently, there would be no tube steaks or vanilla steamers.

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On a more serious note, the most obvious consideration (to me) is that there is no freedom unless one is allowed to follow their own conscience. However, it is Mitt Romney, so we can't rule out Counte's interpretation. Plenty of religious people in this country would cheer that notion.

[Buffalo Roam]

How about Polish tenderloin?

[Tiassa]

Gotta admit, Buff, you stumped me. I'm coming up empty on Mitt Romney and Polish tenderloin.

The Warsaw Voice, however, notes that "Foreigners who have lived in Poland for a while enjoy the flavor of Polish tenderloin; Americans say it is far better than in the United States. The difference in the quality of meat stems from the fact that cattle in the United States are primarily corn-fed."

And I did find a listing for "1, 2 Ton Head Of Pork Tenderloin Polish Origin Frozen In One 1 KG Vacuum 15" at AliBaba.com.

Beef or pork, by the Romney logic above, yes, a Creator is required.

[Carcano]

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

Religion is one of the first things people jettison when they want freedom...an absence of subjectivity.

Hippies want to be free because they want to be irresponsible, which requires getting rid of God...at least the Hebrew God.

Pagan Gods and Goddesses might be more tolerable, being much like hippies themselves.

The freest people of all are the psychopaths...who are free even from the most basic sentiments of human empathy.

[USS Exeter]

So freedom can't require a lack of religion then?

[Fraggle Rocker]

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

The editorial page in the Washington Post absolutely excoriated him for that this morning.

[Mr. G]

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

He's expressing his opinion: Freedom with religion.

Not worrying about him living free according to his religious beliefs affords us the equal respect of him not worrying about us living free with our non-beliefs.

In case you missed it, our deist ancestors established a system here whereby us non-believers could live free of theocratic dictate: afforded free will.

We should be equally generous in return.

We don't have to suffer Creationism and Intelligent Design in our science classrooms, but there's nothing wrong with Comparative Religion in our liberal education curricula.

[lightgigantic]

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

he seems to be talking about how (material) life offers no scope for freedom since it is practically one experience of curtailed desire after another until it finally culminates in death - religion deals with this by introducing god

and furthermore he seems to be suggesting that if freedom (the communing with god thing) gets separated from religion, the windows of the soul remain closed, and thus both religion and freedom stagnate

[nietzschefan]

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

Looked like a weak line of bullshit to me. Totally made up.

[Ganymede]

I was completely floored my Mitt's rediculous statement. Religon is constantly restricting peoples freedoms. Look at the Amish, Muslims, Evangelicals, etc. Their religon forbids them from doing a multitude of things.

[greenberg]

Can we have freedom without religion? What is he talking about?

You said yourself here:

Hogwash. A truly enlightened being would realize the utter futility of improving the world.

[Buffalo Roam]

Gotta admit, Buff, you stumped me. I'm coming up empty on Mitt Romney and Polish tenderloin.

The Warsaw Voice, however, notes that "Foreigners who have lived in Poland for a while enjoy the flavor of Polish tenderloin; Americans say it is far better than in the United States. The difference in the quality of meat stems from the fact that cattle in the United States are primarily corn-fed."

And I did find a listing for "1, 2 Ton Head Of Pork Tenderloin Polish Origin Frozen In One 1 KG Vacuum 15" at AliBaba.com.

Beef or pork, by the Romney logic above, yes, a Creator is required.

Kielbasa, sausage? Polish sausage.

Hell the term tube steak for Hot Dogs is older than my dad.

[Challenger78]

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We don't have to suffer Creationism and Intelligent Design in our science classrooms, but there's nothing wrong with Comparative Religion in our liberal education curricula.

Really ?
So the Kansas Education board didn't make it a decree ?
thats a relief.

[hypewaders]

Religion is a lumbering sacred cow that constantly turns up unhousebroken in the halls of government. It stinks that our founders didn't separate religion and state enough, leaving ignorance and superstition to so intrude into politics.

Bill Maher on Mormonism and Religion in Politics

"Freedom Requires Religion?"

Freethinking and religion are mutually exclusive, and religion has always been an inhibitor of freedom.