Hillary Clinton trails top five Republicans

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  1. Till Eulenspiegel Registered Member

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    The results of a recent Zogby poll illustrate what is a problem not only for Hillary Clinton but for all the major candidates of either of the two major parties, Democrat and Republican.

    The majority of people who vote in primaries are activists or people who are more interested in politics than the average citizen. Among Democrats these people tend to lean left and among Republicans they tend to lean right. This means that in order to win their party's primary and be the nominee a candidate must be either right or left of the general electorate. This problem seems to affect Democrats more than Republicans, probably because the general electorate tends to lean a bit to the right.

    As the campaign for the Democrat nomination has proceeded each of the major candidates has had to swing further to the left in order to keep pace with his/her opponents. This leftward swing has taken them further and further from the slight right/center position of the general electorate. The results of that are beginning to be seen. When Ms. Clinton spoke as a centrist her poll numbers were much higher among the general public but lower among Democrats likely to vote in a primary. She has had no choice but to start talking more like a left leaning Democrat in order to win the nomination. By doing so her numbers among probable primary voters have gone up while her numbers among the general voting population have gone down.

    She is caugh between a political Scylla and Charybdis.

    The same thing will probably affect the Republican candidates but to a lesser degree since they will have to start leaning more and more to the right in order to insure nomination.

    Watch the two parties and their candidates move further and further from the center as the nominations get closer, This will be especially true after one candidate wins the first state primary. The losers will quickly take more and more extreme positions in order to win the next states.




    (Reuters) - Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton trails five top Republican presidential contenders in general election match-ups, a drop in support from this summer, according to a poll released on Monday.

    Clinton's top Democratic rivals, Barack Obama and John Edwards, still lead Republicans in hypothetical match-ups ahead of the November 4, 2008, presidential election, the survey by Zogby Interactive showed.

    Clinton, a New York senator who has been at the top of the Democratic pack in national polls in the 2008 race, trails Republican candidates Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, John McCain and Mike Huckabee by three to five percentage points in the direct matches.

    In July, Clinton narrowly led McCain, an Arizona senator, and held a five-point lead over former New York Mayor Giuliani, a six-point lead over former Tennessee Sen. Thompson and a 10-point lead over former Massachusetts Gov. Romney.

    She was not matched against the fast-rising Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor, in the July poll.

    The results come as other national polls show the race for the Democratic nomination tightening five weeks before the first contest in Iowa, which kicks off the state-by-state nomination battles in each party.

    Some Democrats have expressed concerns about the former first lady's electability in a race against Republicans. The survey showed Clinton not performing as well as Obama and Edwards among independents and younger voters, pollster John Zogby said.

    "The questions about her electability have always been there, but as we get close this suggests that is a problem," Zogby said.

    Obama, an Illinois senator, and Edwards, a former North Carolina senator, both hold narrow leads over the Republican contenders in the hypothetical 2008 match-ups.

    "It all points to a very competitive general election at a time when many people think the Democrats are going to win the White House," Zogby said.

    The poll of 9,355 people had a margin of error of plus or minus one percentage point. The interactive poll surveys individuals who have registered to take part in online polls.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN2645320920071127?feedType=RSS&feedName=politi csNews&rpc=22&sp=true
     
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  3. sandy Banned Banned

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    Here's the problem: Hillary is not likable. She's an evil, dirty, conniving, menopausal, gay/ bisexual/?, chameleon. She flips worse than Kerry. Americans don't like her and will not elect a POTUS they don't like, trust, or respect. Her marriage is a sham. She's a bitch....

    Very few Americans are excited about the election. There is no ideal candidate to vote for like when we voted for W. HE was the great one! :bravo:

    "As to Mitt Romney, if the Dems had someone that smart, successful and charismatic, they would be celebrating his Mormonism as a "historic choice."

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  5. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    the general electorate is center/slight left not center slight right
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    i'm sorry but any one who belives in magic underwear is quite frankly not smart
     
  8. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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  9. sandy Banned Banned

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    My one wish right now is that the MoveOn democrats nominate Hillary. Then we can watch her self-destruct and take the democrats with her.

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    :bravo:
     
  10. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    you do know she is no longer the front runner
     
  11. sandy Banned Banned

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    Of course I know but many of the democrats are dense. They may nominate her despite her flaws just like they did with Gore and Kerry.
     
  12. Till Eulenspiegel Registered Member

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    Not according to the PEW Research Center.

    Roughly 19% to 26% of the American public is liberal depending on survey and method

    Roughly one third, 36%, to 40% of the American public identify as "conservative."


    Conservatives commonly outnumber liberals in the general public with both ideological groupings being outnumbered by centrists
     
  13. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Hillary isn't gay. WTF!
     
  14. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    gore and kerry were both good canadites who won. bush stole oth elections their is enough proof to assert that
     
  15. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    thats how they define themselves not what their beliefs are
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    :roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The electorate leans to the left on most individual left/right issues - if you are careful about what you mean by "left".

    Gun control, for example, is not a left/right issue. Neither is abortion. They are libertarian/authoritarian issues.

    If you look at sites such as Political Compass, and similar evaluators, you'll find a plurality of Americans scoring "left libertarian", with the next biggest group scoring "right libertarian". That's true on this forum - I've noticed it causes some of the self-described "conservatives" to conclude that the evaluation is screwed up.

    The politicians in power, on the other hand, score almost unanimously right/authoritarian (the occasional left/authoritarian, like Kucinich IIRC, the main outliers). This is true of Dems and Reps alike.

    So the people of the US are slightly left of their government, and greatly more libertarian than their government, regardless of party.

    The problem with the primaries is not that the Dems are pulled left and the Reps right, but that they are pulled extreme on pet issues. The gun banners and the gun nuts are not occupants of polar positions on a left/right scale - they are just obsessed with their pet cause, and the influence on the candidates - if any - is to alienate them from reasonable people, left or right.

    But in the end, last few elections, the Dems have nominated much more centrist candidates than the Reps. Kerry, for example, polled as much more in agreement with voters on issues than W - up to 2/3 of W voters ascribed to him positions on issues actually held by Kerry, not W. So the stances on the issues, how left or right a candidate is say, are not the critical factors.
     
  18. otheadp Banned Banned

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    it's funny how only 2 weeks ago we were (or at least I was) rooting for her to win because she's the most Republican-like because we were certain she'd beat the Republican nominee...

    only shows you how pointless polls are.
    everything is still open.

    remember how Dean was a guaranteed winner in 2004 and ended up losing the nomination to a nutjob like Kerry
     
  19. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I don't believe this poll. Hillary is the most electable Democrat at a time when the Democrats clearly have a lead.
     
  20. USS Exeter unamerican american Registered Senior Member

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    If there wan an election right now between Bush and Gore, who would win?
     
  21. Till Eulenspiegel Registered Member

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    There is absolutely no proof to prove either of them won. There is a lot of whining by a certain segment of the left though.
     
  22. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    Hahahahaaaa! I can not wait for Hillary to be elected and then to be a better President than the arse hole tosser Junior. Junior who scored a 110 IQ Haaaahhahahahaaaa! Junior who will go down in History as the worse president ever elected! HaaaHaaahahahaaa... Junior who ruined the GOP for us, Junior has been the best thing for the Democrats since Nixon, Junior who started and lost two wars - which will be won by - guess who HILLARY! When she has won both wars she'll be reelected and the closet Gay Old Party will be finished. Democrats will rule Sandy's life for probably the next 8 to 12 years!

    I love it!

    Thank you bush for being such a humongous doosh bag you made this all possible

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    Sandy can enjoy the later years of her life living in a Democrat controlled USA.

    Haaa haaa too good too good.

    I just can't wait for all those labor laws, pro abortion laws and pro homosexual laws, anti-gun laws and huge tax hikes all just to nail Sandy right as she is set to retire - ooo hoooo it's going to be good

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    No Social security for you Sandy - not after we Democrats spend it all

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    Tax the rich and give to the poor

    Michael
     
  23. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    Under certain recounting methods, Gore would have won.
     

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