Star Wars vs Star Trek

[George1]

i really have to go now,so be back tomorrow....today actually cuz its 3:20 AM here.
by...you to Apocalypse2001!

[Apocalypse2001]

for fuck sake,just fucking prove it!YOU DIDN'T!
all you ever did was fucking making statements without anything to back it up. for the fuck,you helped me proving you are wrong more than i helped myself.
thanks for that by the way.
you are losing,and again tying to point at something else.
don't you understand that?you can't win.
go back to the mental disabilities hospital from which you came.

yeah. If your only defence is more propaganda of me trying to lie, you've been watching too many slavic leaders make speeches.

[Apocalypse2001]

same here....

[George1]

yeah. If your only defence is more propaganda of me trying to lie, you've been watching too many slavic leaders make speeches.

I've already gone trough that.

see!EXACTLY MY POINT!
you are losing and now trying to get away with bla bla bla stuf and pointing fingers that those who don't agree with you just use propaganda. that's what creationists do: when they'll corned,they point out that those who don't agree with them are "evil" and on the devils side.
that's what you'll doing! those who don't agree with are immediately communists, fascists ,nazis etc.
you make me sick!

no need to prove this again Mr.Hitler/Starlin/Mussolini.

now by.

[alpinedigital]

you are such an idiot.typical trekkie:ignoring those you know you can't bullshit around.
don't you ever learn?

No, George, it's because you started with insults and insist that you're correct and I'm mature enough to end it rather than continue arguing when you obviously got offended because you take this shit too personally.

Like I said. Grow up.

[Hellblade8]

[QUOTE=Lord Vader;2541892]Well I'm afraid that was disproved long ago. Try stardestroyer.net. I'm hardly here to debate that though; that's been argued countless times before.[/QOTE]

Their claims have long since been disproven. Fuck, do you even know that the Acclamator doesn't have guns on it? Kinda hard to toss out 200 gigatons of firepower when you don't have any fucking guns.

"Vader says a lot of things. See Anakin Skywalker."

First off, I thought this was the Star Wars universe vs. the Star Trek universe, not the typical Empire vs. Federation.

It changed lon ago.

Second, you're wrong. Palpatine created Force storms that teleported beings and objects across space, destroyed fleets and tore the surfaces off worlds.

So why did he build the Death Star?

He also (gradually, admiteddly) leeched the life force off the entire population of Byss to feed his own titanic power in the dark side.

...And? Didn't stop the rebels from bringing his house of cards down upon him.

He mentally manipulated millions.

Bullshit. Have you ever watch the prequels? Those people are literally too fucking stupid to be allowed to breed. For the sake of the children of the future, I would have had them all executed for being stupid fucks.

I mean shit, the Jedi thought a Sith Lord was in the fucking senate and they didn't test anyone for high counts of midiclorions? They knew that their army was created under suspicious circumstances, but they didn't think to keep their soldiers at arm's length or dispose of them immediately? I mean shit, those people were so stupid that they actually voted for Palpatine to take executive power to make an army instead of just approving of the fucking army themselves.

Or shit, that none of them were suspicious that the same political party that he came from suggested it? Palpatine was a Naboo senator and who suggested emergency executive power? Oh that's right; the fucking Naboo party.

A fucking red neck with the education of a dung beetle could have subverted the Republic.

When he died the first time (yes, Palpatine had the ability to survive death by transferring his essence, even halfway across the galaxy), the Empire was weakened incalucably - the dark power Palpatine was using was no longer bolstering them.

Yeah...no. More like he left numerous people with the ability to claim his title so they'd fight over it so that when he returned, he'd just sieze power again. You know, instead of one powerful enemy who might have had the ability to resist them.

Then again, I suppose losing the second large massive death start that was straining the Imperial budget, not to mention one of four of the massive Super Star Destroyers, and subjigating the entire galaxy through fear and tyranny probably made it difficult when he croaked.

Well it's already been proven countless times that Star Wars technology is superior.

Based on what?

And you seem to be conveniently ignoring the technology of the Celestials, Sharu, Kwa, Kathol, and Rakata, just to name a few. Seriously, there was a civilization dominating the ENTIRE galaxy, with space travel that took days, and of course the Jedi and Sith with their powers in the Force. The Star Wars universe is far superior in those regards.

They're all dead. And really, that's supposed to be impressive? An old ST empire literally moved planets to safeguard stars. A single guardian was able to leave both the Enterprise D and a Ferengi battlecruiser entirely defenseless in orbit

So destroying entire worlds with a thought is a useless simple trick? And of course we're forgetting the more subtle, yet ultimately more devastating, appliances of the Force's power.

Which never happens. I mean fuck, if he could destroy planets, why the fuck couldn't the old fart fly or use the force like rockets out of his hands to fly back up? Or shit, why isn't his lightning bolts lethal?

The EU is full of stupid shit like that, but when it comes to seeing it in the actual movies/TV shows, they never have anything remotely approaching that power. Not ever.

Kind of funny, don't you think?

And how exactly that kind of technology can hope up to match a powerful Force-user you'd have to explain to me.

Phaser, wide beam.

"Yeah just wait until the Tleilaxu make midichlorians in their breeding tanks. Just imagine a Bene Gesserit force user... Epic!"

Unfortunately for you, it takes more than that to make a Force-user. ; )

No it doesn't. Midiclorions allows someone to access/hear the force. Ie, Obi's master specifically said that without them, they wouldn't have any knowledge of the force. Hell, not only could Starfleet probably replicate them and make themselves incredibly powerful (and yeah, there's a TOS episode where they did exactly that), but they could literally make a virus that would wipe out all of those things.

"1. The problem with lightsabers is that the heat from the plasma would make it impossible to hold the weapon. Hell, we could make them now with proper use of magnetic fields. So, this doesn't really show how advanced SW is at all.

No you couldn't. There's no fucking way you could have a blade shaped lightsaber through that method.

2. Are you saying that hyperspace travel is feasible in the same way SW uses it?"

Regardless, it exists in the fictional universe. Arguing over its feasibility makes no difference.

Yeah, let's stick to that.

[Hellblade8]

Guys, switch them to ignore. There's no point in reading their god-awful posts if all they're going to do is toss out insults and insists that we're wrong because we're trekkies.

Even though I think apoc is a Stargate fan, given his title. Me, I prefer Mith Busters.

[Sardonic Crisis]

Oh, what the fuck people!? Although George has a very questionable grasp on the english language, his figures were somewhat accurate. That Star Wars is the 3rd highest grossing film series is true. Stop trying to totally twist poor english to show lack of credibility. That is a bullshit attack and you know it. In addition, why the hell are you all still debating this? Irrelevant evidence.

George1 you need to read and actually understand my comment on the technobabble. I will clarify, It appears to be nothing but technobabble with our understanding of the universe but the linguistic evolution due to paradigm shifts in scientific knowledge is a plausible answer to your argument that it can't happen because of it not abiding by our current scientific models.

Also, the proximity of the plasma to the hilt would still generate too much heat for the lightsaber to be held (even with gloves). Here: Plasma
scroll down to the temperatures section. Plus, in order to melt through a door like Qui Gon Jinn does in Ep. 1 you would have to reach temperatures that would melt a person's hand and the hilt.

[ricrery]

Guys, switch them to ignore. There's no point in reading their god-awful posts if all they're going to do is toss out insults and insists that we're wrong because we're trekkies.

You proved that your were delusional when you said 31st century Federation beats Xeelee. ALL OF YOU stroke your penises when talking about Star Trek, even though most civilization heavy warships generate no more than a terawatt, proving you are all terrible debaters.

[Kittamaru]

then it's interesting why my spell checker didn't show me it's wrong...or for that matter nothing else did.

Simple - a computer is only as good at its user...

Shit in = Shit out... and you put a LOT of SHIT in.

3th... heh... hahaha... it's 3rd you numbnutted freak. God, you attack us, then bitch whine moan and complain when we show you how wrong you are... LOL. go smoke some more

[Kittamaru]

You proved that your were delusional when you said 31st century Federation beats Xeelee. ALL OF YOU stroke your penises when talking about Star Trek, even though most civilization heavy warships generate no more than a terawatt, proving you are all terrible debaters.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I only "stroke my penis" when talking about girls, primarily my wife... dunno who gets off on star trek, seems kinda silly.

[Hellblade8]

Oh, what the fuck people!? Although George has a very questionable grasp on the english language, his figures were somewhat accurate. That Star Wars is the 3rd highest grossing film series is true. Stop trying to totally twist poor english to show lack of credibility. That is a bullshit attack and you know it. In addition, why the hell are you all still debating this? Irrelevant evidence.

Yeah guys, let's not go into stupid shit. Despite frustrations in debating people who act like brick walls, we shouldn't be bashing on people for liking X sci-fi. I don't care if someone's a power rangers fan or a sailor moon fan (except twilight--that's just sick). Even George Lucas can't compare a dime to the money that football has made over the years, so let's not play the popularity contest.

George1 you need to read and actually understand my comment on the technobabble. I will clarify, It appears to be nothing but technobabble with our understanding of the universe but the linguistic evolution due to paradigm shifts in scientific knowledge is a plausible answer to your argument that it can't happen because of it not abiding by our current scientific models.

My problem with George1 is that he wants to apply total science to something that is not by its nature, scientific. It's like claiming that Elminster can't cast magic spells because magic doesn't really exist, so he's just a feeble old man.

But apparently Luke Skywalker can still use the force and his lightsaber.

[ricrery]

Technology/Abilities: Universe-spanning civilization, instantaneous FTL, time travel to any point in time in the universe, temporal duplication of ships, their entire race exists in a time loop that resets at the end of the universe and goes back to the beginning so their knowledge and technology continues accumulating, construction based on molded timespace (Xeelee Construction Material, or XCM) which is effectively immune to brute force attacks, since it survived in the first moments after the Big Bang and took hypernova - level energies at point blank without damage, perfect energy - to - matter conversion by way of the Xeelee Flower, an XCM device that converts energy hitting it into matter to allow it to grow, starbreakers, gravity-based weapons which have no recoil due to "anchoring themselves in timespace", they are capable of destroying anything they hit including XCM, and even a handheld pistol version can destabilize and destroy a star, almost perfectly efficient computing via using the central black holes of galaxies, capable of moving massive cosmic strings to destroy or mold galaxies, have deconstructed many galaxies for use as raw material to build The Ring, a portal to another universe, capable of creating dimensions and trapping other beings in them, said dimensions are configured to the Xeelee's own parameters so they can be virtually anything. The Anti-Xeelee, a component of their race which is responsible for initiating and maintaining the timeloop, exists as a non-corporeal quantum consciousness and can transform other beings into similar consciousnesses, instantaneous communication throughout the universe, and more.

I dare ANY of you to say ANYTHING that isn't omnipotent or reality warping to beat that.

[Sardonic Crisis]

I dare ANY of you to say ANYTHING that isn't omnipotent or reality warping to beat that.

Chuck Norris

[ricrery]

Chuck Norris

*cut off due to being omnipotent* Oh, if anything truly non-omnipotent and reality warping could beat them...

[Kittamaru]

I dare ANY of you to say ANYTHING that isn't omnipotent or reality warping to beat that.

This x 50 setup as a gatling gun. I doubt even the Xeelee would take being hit with hundreds upon hundreds of near-instantly vaporizing black holes very well

Also - Phontino Birds seem to be doing a good job of it

[ricrery]

This x 50 setup as a gatling gun. I doubt even the Xeelee would take being hit with hundreds upon hundreds of near-instantly vaporizing black holes very well

Yes they could.

The plot is set in the Third Expansion era, in which humanity has thrown off the successive yokes of the Squeem and the Qax, and has been so successful that it is second only to the Xeelee among baryonic races. However, humanity's jealousy has driven it to futilely and brutally dedicate their culture (sending soldiers off as young as 13) to warring for over 18,000 years upon the Xeelee. The characters engage in quasi-trench warfare against the Xeelee in the galactic core.

Quasars > tiny Hadron Collider black holes

Also - Phontino Birds seem to be doing a good job of it

Photino Birds would beat Borg from the 101st century (if they last that long)

[George1]

Simple - a computer is only as good at its user...

Shit in = Shit out... and you put a LOT of SHIT in.

3th... heh... hahaha... it's 3rd you numbnutted freak. God, you attack us, then bitch whine moan and complain when we show you how wrong you are... LOL. go smoke some more

fuck of,i didn't ask you.

[George1]

No, George, it's because you started with insults and insist that you're correct and I'm mature enough to end it rather than continue arguing when you obviously got offended because you take this shit too personally.

you started not me.i continued because you,trekkie,ignored that which you couldn't win.

Like I said. Grow up.

some one else needs that:you

[George1]

[QUOTE=Hellblade8;2542159]

Well I'm afraid that was disproved long ago. Try stardestroyer.net. I'm hardly here to debate that though; that's been argued countless times before.[/QOTE]

Their claims have long since been disproven. Fuck, do you even know that the Acclamator doesn't have guns on it? Kinda hard to toss out 200 gigatons of firepower when you don't have any fucking guns.

"Vader says a lot of things. See Anakin Skywalker."

wrong again ignorant.the Acclamator had:
* 12 Quad turbolaser cannons
* 24 Point-defense laser cannons
* 4 Proton torpedo tubes
o 100 Torpedos[3]
next time you try and dismiss something use valid information stardestroyer.net is a good information site

It changed long ago.

no it didn't,the thread is about SW VS ST

So why did he build the Death Star?

cuz its easier for them to.

...And? Didn't stop the rebels from bringing his house of cards down upon him.

that's you'll argument?wow,you really are ignorant.that was military victory moron.

Bullshit. Have you ever watch the prequels? Those people are literally too fucking stupid to be allowed to breed. For the sake of the children of the future, I would have had them all executed for being stupid fucks.

I mean shit, the Jedi thought a Sith Lord was in the fucking senate and they didn't test anyone for high counts of midiclorions? They knew that their army was created under suspicious circumstances, but they didn't think to keep their soldiers at arm's length or dispose of them immediately? I mean shit, those people were so stupid that they actually voted for Palpatine to take executive power to make an army instead of just approving of the fucking army themselves.

Or shit, that none of them were suspicious that the same political party that he came from suggested it? Palpatine was a Naboo senator and who suggested emergency executive power? Oh that's right; the fucking Naboo party.

A fucking red neck with the education of a dung beetle could have subverted the Republic.

eve herd of DECEPTION you moron?

Yeah...no. More like he left numerous people with the ability to claim his title so they'd fight over it so that when he returned, he'd just sieze power again. You know, instead of one powerful enemy who might have had the ability to resist them.

he was building up a massive fleet around Byss.

Then again, I suppose losing the second large massive death start that was straining the Imperial budget, not to mention one of four of the massive Super Star Destroyers, and subjigating the entire galaxy through fear and tyranny probably made it difficult when he croaked.

hahahaha,the empire had half the galaxy's resources at its disposal.

Based on what?

superlaser,hyperdrive,advance AI,lightsabers,and so on.

They're all dead. And really, that's supposed to be impressive? An old ST empire literally moved planets to safeguard stars. A single guardian was able to leave both the Enterprise D and a Ferengi battlecruiser entirely defenseless in orbit

the Celestials build an entire star system with 5 habitable planets:Corelia.
and defeating TWO ships is hardly worth mention.

Which never happens. I mean fuck, if he could destroy planets, why the fuck couldn't the old fart fly or use the force like rockets out of his hands to fly back up? Or shit, why isn't his lightning bolts lethal?

that's the most dump thing ever.

The EU is full of stupid shit like that, but when it comes to seeing it in the actual movies/TV shows, they never have anything remotely approaching that power. Not ever.

Kind of funny, don't you think?

because the movies/TV shows aren't centered around that moron.

Phaser, wide beam.

any force user can deflect the beam.

No it doesn't. Midiclorions allows someone to access/hear the force. Ie, Obi's master specifically said that without them, they wouldn't have any knowledge of the force. Hell, not only could Starfleet probably replicate them and make themselves incredibly powerful (and yeah, there's a TOS episode where they did exactly that), but they could literally make a virus that would wipe out all of those things.

the Midiclorions were a clue that the force is in that being,not the other way around.

No you couldn't. There's no fucking way you could have a blade shaped lightsaber through that method.

one thing:containment field.

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