Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

Not only did I not break an SB.com rule (as per an admin ruling on the thread) but they have agreed that your comments that I've copied over there are nothing more than fanboy wankism posted by a delusional idiot, and that I shouldn't take them seriously.

So, yeah, stuff it.

And who the fuck was talking about the Imperium fighting in the Warp? I'm talking about the Federation fighting while at Warp... reading comprehension ftw girlie...

Finally - you are a sad, sad little girl for resorting to such utter bullshit and personal attacks... plus, your "quotes" are little more than opinions

EDIT - oh, and for the record - EU =/= canon. It is supplementary canon. It fills in the gaps, yes, nothing more. The movies refute your crazy ass firepower theories time and again (the fact that AT-AT's have zero effect on the GROUND, TIE's have zero effect on asteroids, and blasters have ZERO effect on Leia's shirt) show that far too well. End o story.

[ricrery]

Not only did I not break an SB.com rule (as per an admin ruling on the thread) but they have agreed that your comments that I've copied over there are nothing more than fanboy wankism posted by a delusional idiot, and that I shouldn't take them seriously.

Two words: The proof

You DID break a rule, the "Other boards do not concern us rule, and it may be punished in a permanent ban" rule. The two words come to the wankism. If you told them that you think Federation of Dumbasses stands a chance against the Imperium, or the Borg stands a chance against the Necrons then they will state you are also an idiot, but they can't state I'm an idiot, because you would be banned, and there would be a THREAD. Hell, your microscopic brain thought I was deathmarine, even though a graphologist wouldn't need to be required to tell the difference between our posts.

And who the fuck was talking about the Imperium fighting in the Warp? I'm talking about the Federation fighting while at Warp... reading comprehension ftw girlie...

I said the Federation stupid. The Imperium won't go ST Warp, so the Warp CAN'T be used against them.

Finally - you are a sad, sad little girl for resorting to such utter bullshit and personal attacks... plus, your "quotes" are little more than opinions

Yeah, because you're such a wanking moron, that it's impossible not to. And my quotes are TRUTH, you're just a Trek wanker who believes Borg are a superpower.

EDIT - oh, and for the record - EU =/= canon. It is supplementary canon. It fills in the gaps, yes, nothing more. The movies refute your crazy ass firepower theories time and again (the fact that AT-AT's have zero effect on the GROUND, TIE's have zero effect on asteroids, and blasters have ZERO effect on Leia's shirt) show that far too well. End o story.

AT-AT's blew up a 1km wide and tall generator in one shot, kilotons xD! That means they're Starfleet capable! I think they're stronger even, because the clouds in "Die is Cast" were high kiloton to low megaton, WHICH means 20 ships can barely produce a megaton. Ignoring the blasts destroying large parts of a wall again

[Kittamaru]

Two words: The proof

You DID break a rule, the "Other boards do not concern us rule, and it may be punished in a permanent ban" rule. The two words come to the wankism. If you told them that you think Federation of Dumbasses stands a chance against the Imperium, or the Borg stands a chance against the Necrons then they will state you are also an idiot, but they can't state I'm an idiot, because you would be banned, and there would be a THREAD. Hell, your microscopic brain thought I was deathmarine, even though a graphologist wouldn't need to be required to tell the difference between our posts.

"Here class, we see Natures Retard attempting to form a logical series of sentences- however, due to reduce mental faculties, he is only capable of randomly flinging insults, such as "Federation of Dumbasses", "wankism", and "microscopic brain". It is amusing to note the lack of logical cohesion in these attacks."

Actually, because of how I worded the thread, it bypasses that rule nicely, as a FUCKING ADMIN SAID. You claim others are stupid for going against authority figures, and yet here you are doing it yourself. Kettle, Pot, Black, fill in the rest of the words if you can.

I said the Federation stupid. The Imperium won't go ST Warp, so the Warp CAN'T be used against them.

"Stay aware class! Note the anger and rage with which he is lashing out, confusing his own arguments and those of others, unable to grasp simple concepts."

Just because the IoM can't utilize ST Warp doesn't mean ST can't use it's Warp against the IoM...

Yeah, because you're such a wanking moron, that it's impossible not to. And my quotes are TRUTH, you're just a Trek wanker who believes Borg are a superpower.

"Here, students, we see the Retard attempting to back up his supposed arguments with supposed facts. However, these facts are as much opinion as they are incorrectly calculated maths. I would like to note how easily one can twist statistics to say what they would like them to say, as is common in the world of politics."

You have provided no such facts, nor truth. You are just so deluded that you believe your own lies.

AT-AT's blew up a 1km wide and tall generator in one shot, kilotons xD! That means they're Starfleet capable! I think they're stronger even, because the clouds in "Die is Cast" were high kiloton to low megaton, WHICH means 20 ships can barely produce a megaton. Ignoring the blasts destroying large parts of a wall again

No, AT-AT's created a chain reaction in the energy matrix of said generator, causing it to self destruct. Their own blasters had ZERO effect against SNOW, not even melting SNOW. NOT. MELTING. SNOW. Need I say it again?

And again - The Die is Cast is a random, out of range sample, and thus can be discarded as it flies in the face of NUMEROUS other samples. It's simple statistics. Quite elementary my dear idiot.

And yes, I have taken to insulting you because

A) you seem fond of them
B) you seem only capable of responding to a statement if I insult you in the same breath
C) at this point it's clear you have the debating skills of a decaying whale carcass and as such I find it more entertaining to simply banter against you

[Kittamaru]

As for people calling you out:

jimthegrayy - pretty sure he was embellishing but we do here the ridiculous tera tonnage fire power fairly often

ProphetofWisdom - No, you clearly have the Star Wars Galactic Empire mixed up with the Invader Zim Irken Empire: One is out to conquer the galaxy... and the other one is out to conquer every last speck of dust in the entire universe!

1. Multi-petaton would be the Maim Bot. Which is an Irken ground unit.

2. 2.2 million Petatons MIGHT just count as a low end Irken civilian weapon for a ship in the sub-kilometer range or at most a 1.6 kilometer I would say.

Rama - Whilst his ramblings are deranged...

This made in regards to a statement you posted there... yes, he is out and out calling you DERANGED.

grdja - No one ever claimed that. TIEs and X-Wings just shoot mid range kiloton blasters.

consequences - Give us some more quotes. PM someone here a link to the site in question in case the mods get tetchy about 'the affairs of other boards' policy. Convince the individual in question to register here so that he can be properly vilified, or on SD.net so that the intensity of the flames will cause his computer to vaporize.

l33telboi - So, assuming Saxton's work is accurate (which I'm sure you know is pretty widely disputed), the methodology used to derive the power of a turbolaser is the following:

1. Calculate the kinetic energy of the asteroid.
2. Forget about the kinetic energy we just calculated.
3. Calculate the momentum the asteroid had.
4. Assume that a motherfucking beam of energy has to have the same momentum as the rock in order to achieve the same effects.
5. Assume the motherfucking turbolasers are massless.
6. Derive energy required to destroy the ship based on playing around with momentum and kinetic energy formulas?

Do you have any fucking idea just how batshit insane that is? Do you understand that using this methodology we could also deduce that blaster rifles have yield above the kiloton range?

Madd Luddite -
As for teraton fighter blasters, you're confusing teraton with terajoule, which is given by ICS. Frankly, terajoules (about 1/4 kilotons) are still too high for fighter blasters, but some novels say kilojoules, which if you look at an X-Wing strafe the Death Star's surface is nonsense.

You have seen the posts yourself... I simply put them here for all to see... your shame is great, and your pathetic excuse for "debating" cannot be allowed to go on...

God how I wish Highlander were real... I'd simply cut off your head and be done with ya.

[Hellblade8]

Two words: The proof

You DID break a rule, the "Other boards do not concern us rule, and it may be punished in a permanent ban" rule.

Who cares? The mods obviously didn't think it was enough of a transgression given that he wasn't punished.

The two words come to the wankism. If you told them that you think Federation of Dumbasses stands a chance against the Imperium, or the Borg stands a chance against the Necrons then they will state you are also an idiot, but they can't state I'm an idiot, because you would be banned, and there would be a THREAD. Hell, your microscopic brain thought I was deathmarine, even though a graphologist wouldn't need to be required to tell the difference between our posts.

No, they'd mock you for being a presumptious asshole who relies upon Ad Hominem in order to conduct your arguments rather than substantial arguments.

I said the Federation stupid.

Says the man who can't write a proper sentence in English.

The Imperium won't go ST Warp, so the Warp CAN'T be used against them.

Um...what?

Yeah, because you're such a wanking moron, that it's impossible not to. And my quotes are TRUTH, you're just a Trek wanker who believes Borg are a superpower.

The Borg are a superpower. They've already proven the have the equal to time corridors and we know they're capable of moving across the galaxy via a transwarp network (of which, they have three--well, two now).

AT-AT's blew up a 1km wide and tall generator in one shot, kilotons xD!

Yes, because obviously hitting a large generatior capable of keeping a small fleet of powerful warships at bay in no way added to the entire structure being devistated.

That means they're Starfleet capable!

Despite the fact that the old NX class could put large craters into asteroids with its phase cannons?

I think they're stronger even, because the clouds in "Die is Cast" were high kiloton to low megaton, WHICH means 20 ships can barely produce a megaton. Ignoring the blasts destroying large parts of a wall again

Your masturbation is simply astonishing to watch. You're worse the TW Scott. Now I'm going to have go back and personally deball you and your argument for such stupidity.

First off, I find it highly unlikely that the fleet was only deploying low kt-mt level weaponry, simply from the fact that they expected to destroy the entire planet to the point that only the core remained. This is the most brutal thing we've ever heard of in either SW or ST, with small fleets tearing apart crust and mantle. It would put the Trek yields in the absurd levels honestly.

Of course, the problem is that they were clearly using technobabble weapons, given both that they can't effortlessly vaporize moons in single shots and by the visuals themselves. I've heard of numerous theories as to what this was, some disregarding the visuals (like I do) in this case and simply going with them using high level torpedoes that they wouldn't otherwise use (ie, illegal or simply too expensive).

I also find it rather amusing given that Tomorrow is Yesterday, we're told that a crippled Constitution class starship without shielding and slowly trying to escape atmosphere, could be devistated by a low kt nuclear warhead. Keep in mind, that a nuclear weapon detonated in atmosphere is going to be much more powerful than if it were in space. Yes, even one hundreds of times more powerful. And this is a ship that's over a hundred years out of date by Federation standards in the modern 24th century, where they take photon torpedoes calculated in the double digit megatons to triple digit megatons to the hull and survive.

Or of course, we could also point out that the Voyager hit that ice planet to an equal of a low kiloton explosion without so much more than taking damage to one of its nacelles. Even more interesting though, is how you wank to SW firepower, yet we see that a Venator suffers massive damage from what amounts to no more than a few hundred kilotons of KE impact in this last season of the Clone Wars. Care to explain?

[Kittamaru]

BTW - Et all:

Some of Riceroni's other threads:

Daleks are stronger than the Christian God Yaweh

Urban Dictionary Definition for Ricrery - And no, as much as I'd like to take credit, I did NOT write that.

Some info on a Ricrery courtesy of Electric Ferret forums

ricrery
Been Around the Block
16 years old
Male
Rancho Cucamonga
Born June-13-1993

Discussion between Ricrery, Perion (so that's the moron you keep mentioning) and others... they claim Stormtroopers "miss their targets on purpose"... heh...

[ricrery]

And no, as much as I'd like to take credit, I did NOT write that.

I KNOW who wrote it. And guess what, he's ON MY FRIENDS LIST.

[Kittamaru]

I KNOW who wrote it. And guess what, he's ON MY FRIENDS LIST.

Really? Wow, if that's what your "friends" think of you...

[Kittamaru]

*chuckles* seems I struck a nerve class... watch out, Riceroni may start throwing his poo around next!

[ricrery]

Really? Wow, if that's what your "friends" think of you...

Eh, that's when the war started, then it ended when I started to debate calmy xD

[ProphetofWisdom]

Discussion between Ricrery, Perion (so that's the moron you keep mentioning) and others... they claim Stormtroopers "miss their targets on purpose"... heh...

In ANH the Stormtroopers DID have orders to let them go. Farther proof of that is only 4-6 TIE Fighters were sent after the MF and the fact they plant a tracker on the ship so they could find the rebel base.

[ricrery]

And Imperial Guardsmen show tons of more skill than the Stormtroopers from the movies which are the main cannon, in fact… arrows pierce their armor, and the beauty of it is that it is the truth because EU isn’t even proper canon. Oh if only ST’s could fire at a moving target maybe they could stand up to the Imperial Guardsmen.

Hooray for changing opinions!

[Kittamaru]

Eh, that's when the war started, then it ended when I started to debate calmy xD

Okay, two problems with this statement:

1) you started debating? When? All I've seen is random personal attacks, opinions, and numbers with no backing being thrown around... that a debate, does not make.

2) calmly? Since when...

[ricrery]

In ANH the Stormtroopers DID have orders to let them go. Farther proof of that is only 4-6 TIE Fighters were sent after the MF and the fact they plant a tracker on the ship so they could find the rebel base.

Don't talk to Kittamaru, Perion clearly shows PROOF in his posts, just read some of them and you'll see why he's smarter than Kittamaru. Actually way smarter.

[Kittamaru]

In ANH the Stormtroopers DID have orders to let them go. Farther proof of that is only 4-6 TIE Fighters were sent after the MF and the fact they plant a tracker on the ship so they could find the rebel base.

Yes, but they also quote other examples where it simply makes no sense... that and if they were told to let them escape, I'd think they'd attempt to do so with fewer casualties...

[Kittamaru]

Don't talk to Kittamaru, Perion clearly shows PROOF in his posts, just read some of them and you'll see why he's smarter than Kittamaru. Actually way smarter.

What proof... I saw plenty of opinions, that's for sure

I mean, think about it - we're comparing something that will NEVER exist (SW) vs something that wont' exist for a LONG LONG time, if ever (ST). Two fictional worlds... there can NEVER be any real proof if you want to be technical about it!

[ricrery]

Okay, two problems with this statement:

1) you started debating? When? All I've seen is random personal attacks, opinions, and numbers with no backing being thrown around... that a debate, does not make.

I do debate, you just don't know when to not wank Star Trek.

2) calmly? Since when...

Since I wanted to prove my point. He told everyone on his side to stop flaming, and he took down his hate videos against me. Hooray for calm debating.

[Kittamaru]

I do debate, you just don't know when to not wank Star Trek.

I have not "wanked" anything - everything I have said has been backed by on screen evidence, where as most of what you claim goes AGAINST on screen evidence... generally, when evidence supports something, it is not considered wanking...

Since I wanted to prove my point. He told everyone on his side to stop flaming, and he took down his hate videos against me. Hooray for calm debating.

Shame you can't do the same here and provide facts instead of personal attacks...

Said what I needed in red

[ricrery]

What proof... I saw plenty of opinions, that's for sure

Stormtroopers are very good shots when the mission calls for it, and their weapons are extremely powerful when on high settings, capable of dealing far more damage to things like rocks and heavy metals than what Phasers are capable of, besides, in war it’s best to incapacitate the target rather than kill them outright.

also the empire have more variety in weapons, they have sustained fire weapons, effective Mortars, and combat vehicles.

the Federation don’t have any of those things.

the Empire also make liberal use of Grenades that are far more effective than any federation counterpart, creating a blast easily the size of a house and with 3 of them capable of destroying a landing platform designed for light freighters!

one such grenade can (and has been shown to) easily take out an entire squad of enemy infantry.

Klingon Mortars can’t even knock down a Doctor and a Civilian unless it lands a foot away from one of them, and even then only causes burns on the skin.

not really, in Nemesis they were missing at spitting distance and their ship’s accuracy isn’t much better in DS9 battles.

This is greater than every post you've ever made.

I mean, think about it - we're comparing something that will NEVER exist (SW) vs something that wont' exist for a LONG LONG time, if ever (ST). Two fictional worlds... there can NEVER be any real proof if you want to be technical about it!

Oh, the delusional fool... I bet you wear Starfleet pajamas, have your own holodeck, and your children are named Worf and Seven of Nine. XD.

[ricrery]

I have not "wanked" anything - everything I have said has been backed by on screen evidence, where as most of what you claim goes AGAINST on screen evidence... generally, when evidence supports something, it is not considered wanking...

Screen evidence doesn't show the Defiant glassing a planet in under 15 minutes, but screen evidence does show a fleet only creating dust clouds over a planet that last for a short while, and that is backed up by the Cardassian guy stating it would take one hour to destroy the core, and five more to destroy the mantle. It's in the same episode, and nothing denies that statement, heck, the bombardment volley encourages that statement.

Shame you can't do the same here and provide facts instead of personal attacks...

Because you won't listen.