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Daleks have more than the standard Daleks to field.
Strider Daleks for example are 10x bigger than normal Daleks and have much bigger weaponary (cannons as opposed to gun sticks).
Omega Daleks are an airborn force that carries large amounts of Dalekanium bombs, each bomb capable of generating clean nuclear explosions.
They also have the weaponary of the Deathsmiths which, among other things, includes grenades capable of destroying mountains.
They also have nano-tech which can infect machinary and allow the Daleks to control it.
Really, Stargate has nothing on Whoniverse time tech. For example one shot from a type 105 TARDIS can erase an entire star system from history. TARDISes can cover over 300 billion years in an attosecond (type 102 onwards). 103 type TARDISes eat stars and supernovas. Remember, the Doctors TARDIS is an old, obsolete type 40. It is the equivilent of a Time Lord caravan.
Other examples of time tech include the fact that they can boobytrap space-time so that they, if need be, can destroy those entire time zones remotely. Time Lords can use a doomsday probe to devestate time through out an entire sector, killing all life, by releasing 5 seconds of accelerated entropy. They have ghost cluster devices that reduce a beings reality quotient (ie their probability of existing) so that either the individual cannot affect history however much he tries or that he simply never exists. Etc.
As for dimension jumping, the Whoniverse has soooo many examples. Time Lords and Daleks have the tech to create their own pocket universes, cutting off planets from space and time. The Time Lords used a weapon called the Cold to remove whole planets from the space-time continuum, and place them in a different universe filled with star ship sized vampires. Before the Time War damaged the universe, crossing into different universes was common place….the Doctor had many adventures outside his own universe, Iris Wildthyme adventured across the multiverse, the Daleks waged war on an alternate universes race of Daleks, etc.
Individual Dalek firepower has a wide range of settings. It has been shown to vary from “numb the legs so they cant move” settings to “destroy houses and small spaceships” settings.
Dalek ships can one shot planets. They have been shown to destroy suns. They have cloaking systems. They have a wide variety of weapons, from dark-matter cannons to gravity weapons to energy weapons. They can even have psychic weaponary, able to drive an entire planet mad.
The Daleks at their height had an Eye of Harmony and transduction barrier tech. What this basically means is that any Daleks behind such a barrier are protected against any reality jiggery pokery the Q could throw at them. This is the reason why the Time Lords didn’t wipe out the Daleks with a touch of a button back on Gallifrey.
These are multi-dimensional defenses that cannot be breached (even 11 dimensional infiltrations are not possible). Although the Q have feats of multi-dimensional tinkering, they have no feats of breaking through a multi-dimensional tinkering proof shield such as the transduction barriers. Q are NOT all powerful….for example, Quinn was imprisioned quite succesfully for a time on a comet and his Q powers (which had not been revoked) couldn’t get him out of it.
Their history cannot be changed unless they wish it too because the Eye of Harmony is the anchor for continuity, causality, and history.
During the Q civil war we learned that if subspace was damaged to a certain extent that Q outside of the Continuum lost their powers and immortality (as what happened with a female Q). The Daleks are easily capable of causing said damage – their weapons in the Time War caused even greater damage to the universe than the Q civil war did. They could even use their Eye of Harmony to do this as it can be used to define the state/laws of the universe – the Time Lords used their Eye to ensure magic no longer existed, the Daleks could do the same to subspace effectively making the Q powerless/impotent.
The Daleks have an effective defense and attack to impliment in this scenario.
Daleks can destroy planets with ease as evidenced with these quotes….
Davros in orbit with one Killcruiser: “Do not anger me, Doctor! I can DESTROY YOU! AND THIS MISERABLE INSIGNIFICANT PLANET!” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“That ship has weapons which could crack this planet like an egg.” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“Attack Spearhead now entering outer galactic sectors. Heavy concentration of asteroid fields indicate massed planetary destruction. Radiation readings indicate destruction caused by Dalek weaponary.” – Dalek Empire 2
“I mean, if these Daleks are all over space, shooting up planets, how come the Thals are still around?” – War of the Daleks.
In Dalek Empire 2 two rival Dalek Empires fight each other. They have a “punished planet” policy, destroying whole worlds which refuse to join their crusade.
Although Davros never fired his weapon at Earth in Rememberence of the Daleks, other examples of the same type of ship (a killcruiser) show that planatary destruction is achieved by one missile/bomb, that it leads to a blinding flash, and then afterwards there are only small chunks of planet floating around. An example would be from the novel War of the Daleks (where even the Thals had planet busters too):
See above in my post for destroying planets. They also have access to Deathsmith weapons that can halt planets in their orbit and drive entire planets populations insane. They can also pilot planets around like ships. They have also used Time Destructors in the past, capable of aging an entire planet to death.
They have made planets vanish into time and space.
Daleks have starkillers which, as the name suggests, destroys stars. They also have Deathsmith weapons which “shatter stars”. In Mutually Assured Survival some imprisioned humans infected with the Dalek Factor even manage to scrounge just enough Dalek technology from debris to build a starkiller of their own and plan to use it to destroy the station they are on by blowing up a nearby star.
A Dalek matter transmuter, when linked to a TARDIS level power source (ie Eye of Harmony), is capable of destroying entire solar systems (in Legacy of the Daleks).
Normal Dalek weaponary is enough to be a threat to spacecraft – they destroyed a Thal spacecraft (Planet of the Daleks) and a human spacecraft (Mission to the Unknown). In War of the Daleks, some Daleks fly towards a Thal spaceship and start shooting it – “two or three together might be able to penetrate a shield somewhere” and their firepower “rocked the ship, adding to the main blasts from the two killcruisers.”
There are Heavy Weapons Daleks with weapons that are, I believe, 50 times more powerful than normal Dalek weaponary.
Omega Daleks are an airborn force that specialize in saturation bombing and carry large numbers of Dalekenaium bombs. A Dalekenium bomb is basically a very controlled, clean nuclear explosion (the blast radius depending on how much Dalekanium is within the bomb).
They also have access to Deathsmith weaponary which includes the apocalypse device – an indestructable human sized being that carries every disease and virus in the universe, kills with a touch, drives beings insane with its psychic powers, etc (it eats away any metal too, even metal usually resistant to such things). Deathsmith weaponary also includes small grenades that can destroy mountains.
The Daleks could also use a Contagium. This is a nanite-producing weapon. Anything infected by the nanites falls under Dalek control at once.
Unshielded Daleks can withstand things “that would reduce you or me to our molecules in seconds”. Coupled with Time-War era shielding they’re pretty damn tough (Time-War era Daleks also have thicker armour than their unshielded cousins). They have shown to be unnaffected by some disintegrator weapons (Day of the Daleks comes to mind).
Daleks have also used temporal extinction devices and Time Destructors in the past. They have the ability to turn the populations of entire planets into mental Daleks to help boost ranks. They have Temporal Disruptor weapons that can destroy TARDISes.
On the topic of Dalek FTL travel, Time War Dalek ships are all Vortex capable. Now, although the OP forbids the Daleks traveling in time it doesn’t, as far as I can see, forbid them from accessing the Vortex itself per say. So a Dalek ship could disappear and reappear anywhere in the universe in the same instant giving them an edge against the Necrons.
Some Dalek ships have also been demonstrated to have a chameleon circuit which can disguise the ships as, for example, asteroids, and a cloaking system.
Pre-Time War Daleks could destroy planets with ease as evidenced with these quotes….
Davros in orbit with one Killcruiser: “Do not anger me, Doctor! I can DESTROY YOU! AND THIS MISERABLE INSIGNIFICANT PLANET!” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“That ship has weapons which could crack this planet like an egg.” – Remembrance of the Daleks
“Attack Spearhead now entering outer galactic sectors. Heavy concentration of asteroid fields indicate massed planetary destruction. Radiation readings indicate destruction caused by Dalek weaponary.” – Dalek Empire 2
“I mean, if these Daleks are all over space, shooting up planets, how come the Thals are still around?” – War of the Daleks.
In Dalek Empire 2 two rival Dalek Empires fight each other. They have a “punished planet” policy, destroying whole worlds which refuse to join their crusade.
They have starkillers and Deathsmith weapons which destroy stars. In Mutually Assured Survival some imprisioned humans infected with the Dalek Factor even manage to scrounge just enough Dalek technology to build a starkiller of their own and plan to use it to destroy the station they are on by blowing up a nearby star.
Etc.
“We do know that the Daleks created their own Eye of Harmony after the Etra Prime incident (RTD states this was the event that escalated affairs). So by the Last Great Time War the Daleks have theoretically the same power as the Time Lords.
The Master once tried to steal a Dalek matter transmuter because, when linked to his TARDIS power source (ie Eye of Harmony), this device would have been capable of destroying entire solar systems (in Legacy of the Daleks). Since the Daleks created their own Eye, we can infer Daleks could have destroyed solar systems with ease.
RTD states that the Daleks wielded the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth. This means Daleks at least had access to weapons that can shatter suns, halt planets in their orbit, drive entire planets populations insane, and have access to the apocalypse device (indestructable human sized being that carries every disease and virus in the universe, kills with a touch, drives beings insane with its psychic powers, etc), and small grenades that destroy mountains.
Daleks have also used temporal extinction devices and Time Destructors in the past. They have the ability to turn the populations of entire planets into mental Daleks to help boost ranks. They have made planets vanish into time and space. They have Temporal Disruptor weapons that can destroy TARDISes.”
The 31st Feds dont even have something akin to transduction barriers. This is an essential device when fighting the Time Lords or Daleks because it protects your past. Without it the 31st Feds are wiped out with ease.
They have pockets with larger insides (only one example of that if I recall), time travel, and temporal shielding. Pretty basic really. Even 60’s Daleks (in their 3rd ever story) had all that. Other temporal powers in the Whoniverse have that. Time Lords and Daleks have considerably more. Can anyone name a feat, even hyperbole, that places the Feds as anywhere near?
Prior to shielding Daleks have survived planetary destruction in War of the Daleks. The mutant itself was dead but the casing was intact except for a small piece at the back of its dome. The Doctor also described the shell as being able to survive many things that would reduce other beings to molecules in seconds.
Daleks from the old series could shrug off laser powered/energy weapons before they even became shielded. Coupled with shielding……who knows? Presumbably with shielding that Dalek in War of the Daleks would not have had a piece of its back dome blown off as the planet was destroyed.
Dalek weaponary in the old series could destroy spacecraft on a high setting.
In Mission to the Unknown they destroyed a human spacecraft and in Planet of the Daleks they destroyed a Thal spaceship. In War of the Daleks Thals have devoloped armour so that a Thal can survive a nearby nuclear strike. Dalek weaponary can penetrate the armour.
That plunger is far more versitile than you give it credit for. It can morph into any shape, interface with computer terminals, crush peoples skulls, etc. In I am a Dalek one weaponless Dalek was forced to rely on the only thing it had, the plunger. Chaos ensured as the damn thing grabbed hold of police cars and flung them away. Opening a door or holding a rock is not beyond a Dalek, regardless of how useless the plunger may look.
They do field other types of Daleks in battles (of course, only in the novels and such since on the tv show they haven’t actually been observed fighting any large scale battles as of yet). They also usually bombard a planet with metorites and viruses, employ economic warfare to devestate their enemy, use psychic attacks that turn the population insane or mentally turn the population into daleks by releasing the dalek factor, etc, etc.
There are Psyche Daleks whose casings are coated with mental control crystals which function as psionic amplifiers. They can communicate telepathically and use telekinetic powers.
There are Strider Daleks which have 8 long legs and stand 10 times taller then a normal Dalek. They are armed with 4 cannons.
Slightly larger then normal Daleks are the Spider Daleks. They can deploy 8 legs if need be to handle terrain such as mountain sides.
There are also a few types of Special Weapons Daleks. The Standard type are armed with a massive Pulse Gun. The weapon’s energy discharge is at least 50 times more powerful then a normal Daleks weaponary on it most powerful setting (which, as mentioned before, can destroy spacecraft). It is capable of completely vaporizing many Daleks with a single shot. There is an airborn version which has a sleeker design, and is equiped with two smaller Pulse Guns. Their design allows them to do complex arial manuvers more so than a standard type could do with its anti-gravity.
Ranging ahead would be the Scout Daleks. These are just standard Daleks who move around at a speed of about 20mph when travelling on the ground.
Omega Daleks are an airborn force that specialize in saturation bombing and carry large numbers of Dalekenaium bombs. A Dalekenium bomb is basically a very controlled, clean nuclear explosion (the blast radius depending on how much Dalekanium is within the bomb).
There are also Marsh and Marine Daleks but I’ll presume that the fight takes place mostly on dry land.
Daleks use tactics on the battlefield just as any army will. They, for example, send out assassination groups to exterminate specific enemies (eg generals, et al).
Daleks have those globes on their outer shell. These globes act as sensers and when being used by the Dalek can detect life, moisture, movement, etc, etc. These globes can detach and fly on their own to provide remote battlefield intelligence. The globes also can act as powerful explosives. They are also part of the Daleks self-destruct system.
The Daleks have access to the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth. On a ground battle this means they have, at the very least, small grenades capable of destroying mountains. Depending on the seriousness of the situation the Apocalypse Device may also be used (the Deathsmiths greatest weapon that destroyed them, its an indestructable human sized being that carries every disease and virus in the universe, kills with a touch, drives beings insane with its psychic powers, etc).
Daleks may also be able to use a Time-Destructer. The device enables Daleks to control the flow of time over a planet wide area. For example, they could age everyone to death.
You are forgetting that Dalek ships have Temporal Disruptor weapons that can destroy TARDISes which Space Marines would not have the firepower to accomplish. Dalek ships have a much faster speed advantage both in convential FTL engines (can cross several galaxies easily enough) and due to the fact that Dalek ships can zip across time and space by accessing the Vortex. Daleks wielded the full might of the Deathsmiths of Goth meaning Daleks at least had access to weapons that can shatter suns, halt planets in their orbit, and drive entire planets populations insane. They have temporal extinction devices, can use a version of a cameleon circuit (eg the ship could look like an asteroid), can detonate stars, have psychic weaponary that can make enemies see what they most fear/desire, can use a tractor beam, and of course has a shield (which also acts as a cloaking device so enemy ships cant locate them).
Time Lords regenerate entire limbs from scratch. They grow back internal organs like a heart for example. Damaged synapses are repaired. Time Lords can even grow back new heads after decapitation (as stated in the novels). Every molecule in every cell is changed altogether. Their DNA is part of space and time itself.
Time Lords can trigger regeneration whenever they like. They heal incredibly fast even without the need of regeneration eg non-lethal bullet wounds (bullet is ejected out of the body), burns, broken bones, disease, etc.
A Dalek kills them in one shot. Trust me, 8472 is impressive but not as impressive as Time Lord biology. Dalek weapons will be effective. And given the fact that Daleks have the range advantage, they could just fly and rain down death upon 8472.
I feel confident that Time Lords could also be resistant to nanoprobes. Their bodies dispose of implants/foreign objects and their bodies are filled with self-replicating biogenic molecules thus having a self-renewing cell structure. They have quadruple helix DNA as opposed to 8472’s triple helix DNA. Unlike 8472, they also have TNA. The fourth helix extends into the fourth dimension biologically linking a Time Lord to the Web of Time/heart of space time – they are effectivly part of the laws of time and space.
There was originally only one Eye of Harmony – the Time Lords Eye. However, the Daleks invaded Gallifray in The Apocalypse Element (audio). Though the Daleks failed in their invasion it set up events to follow. Romana swore that such a thing would not occur again ushering in the return of Time Lord competence. The Daleks destroyed and remade the Seriphia galaxy (four times as large as the Milky Way) with the element and the Daleks moved in – a good boost for their Empire. And the Daleks knowledge of time travel was improved upon considerably.
In The Genocide Machine (audio) the Daleks invade Kar-Charratt and gain a great deal of knowledge. With the data the Daleks compilied from their invasion of Gallifray and their study of the Kar-Charrat time barrier they were able to stabilize their own Eye of Harmony. In The Time of the Daleks (audio) a fleet of 1700 Dalek time ships are featured. These are powered by the Dalek Eye in much the same way TARDISes are powered by the Time Lords Eye. The only difference between the Eyes is that the Daleks haven’t perfected theirs by Time of the Daleks and consequently its a bit less controllable than the Time Lords Eye (I doubt, for example, the Daleks would’ve been able to rewrite reality to get rid of magic at this point unlike the Time Lords who actually have done this).
Dalekanium is only one material Dalek armour is made up of. The other is bonded polycarbide which boosts its strength up considerably. Unshielded Daleks can withstand things “that would reduce you or me to our molecules in seconds”. Coupled with Time-War era shielding and they’re pretty damn tough(Time-War era Daleks also have thicker armour than their unshielded cousins). Anyways, the Daleks would be flying above the Replicators.
But the Daleks do have the ability to destroy the Replicators. The metal eating virus from the Deathsmiths would be very helpful in killing them all off. “Neutron Strikes can be used to detonate stars” or just “shatter the sun” with Deathsmith weaponary. Mabe infect the planets atmosphere with Dalek Factor essentially turning the Replicators into mental Daleks. If psychic weaponary is effective then the Daleks have such weapons to, for example, turn them all insane. They could slam nearby asteroids into the planet. Etc
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This is the affects of the Time War. Note, just the effects, not the direct weapons hitting them.
(“The War raged, but for most species in the universe, life continued as normal. The War was fought in the Vortex, and beyond that, in the Ultimate Void, beyond the eyes and ears of ordinary creatures. The Lesser Species lived in ignorance. If a planet found its history subtle changing – perhaps distorting and rewriting itself under the pressures of the rupturing Vortex – then its people were part of that change, and perceived nothing to be wrong. Only the Higher Species – those further up the evolutionary ladder – saw what was happening. The Forest of Cheem gazed upon the bloodshed, and wept. The Nestene Consciousness lost all of its planets, and found itself mutating under temporal stress. The Greater Animus perished and its Carsenome Walls fell into dust. And it is said that the Eternals themselves watched, and despaired of this reality, and fled their hallowed halls, never to be seen again… “)
Originally Posted by ricrery
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