Star Wars vs Star Trek

[George1]

Anyways, Kittamaru is right about EU, it is canon as long as it doesn't DIRECTLY contradict the films. George, you serious about wanting to use the EU universe and not the films? Well then whatever this is, I want no part of it.

well yes and no,i use both,because the EU is the backstage of the movies,in
a sense.
if Lucas didn't want Palpatine to be cloned,or Luck to get married,he should have not allow those books to be further published!
but they were,and simple like that,they are cannon!
he has the ultimate word,and he failed to stop his universe into becoming
what he did not wanted,therefor making the EU as cannon as the movies themselves!

[George1]

what the hell is the "prove this prove that" mentality all the time. We give you proof but you choose to be lazy and not confirm what we tell you! Instead you spew skewed ideas and nonsense because you hate ST so much. And before you say it, yes, you do hate ST, because it shows when you make those childish arguments.

you did not give me any proof,only arguments!
arguments ARE NOT PROOF!

[George1]

ok,and if i did insulted you,any of you,it is because you provoked me!
the second i entered this argument i wanted to be civilized, but you
started to disagree with the evidence i presented,taken directly from the
movies or the ICS,and you still disagreed even after i demonstrated they
are viable!
i don't want to insult anyone anymore,so let's start again!
i have these evidence:
the death star (more exactly being able to build it)
the Executor, the Star Destroyer, the hypermatter reactor,the planetary shield,
the Hyperdrive,the millions of planets the Empire controls,and so on!
what you've have?

[Apocalypse2001]

I was kinda asking about not being able to read CDEFGAB, but is good at lines and spaces, and not reading the sheet music. Well I like to get a job in the medical category, a medical researcher, either in genetics, neurology or pathology, I want to get a job in the Army Medical Research and Materials Command.

ah...ok. well you should do lessons to learn the basic theory, then move on up to the other stuff, level by level, through counterpoint, harmony, analysis. I don't know what the lesson system is like in your country, but you can always do private lessons you should learn the above mentioned and the other levels only if you really WANT to learn all that. But if you only want to know how to read the basics, just continue with your piano' lessons but simultaneously do the basic theory, or else your learning curve will be unbalanced. Hope that helps

[ricrery]

Poor Daleks, the Irkens deploy the spider legs from their PAKs and break out and take control of the ships in short order. Thank you for helping the CONQUESTY BOOT O’DOOM!

Oh really? They are not penetrating those cells.

I hope they are not DET weapons then because they are going to need GT-TT range firepower to take out unarmored Irkens unless they transmat the PAKs off which would disable and kill the Irkens within the next ten minutes.

No, they penetrate inside you and destroy your organs, and basically, your insides. In some novels, they pierced a nuclear dome (made by aliens mind you) that took many nuclear hits for 1,000 years with cracking, and etc., next, they shook up alien ships with their weapons, so yeah, gigatons can be fired.

So they can destroy the galaxy from anywhere? Fine then. How long does it take to deploy said weapon and destroy the galaxy and how many do they have?

Yes, seconds, seconds, and one that can be used over and over again. Plus, they can use time to create a new galaxy where it once was giving them resources.

Black how means nothing. Is it a consistent feat in the show that is supported by other events? is the black hole in anyway technobabble? Otherwise I point you Voyager and the 2009 ST movie. I am not impressived with just calling it a black hole.

In DW, black holes are either giant death magnets or holes into parallel worlds, and this black hole was not a hole into a parallel universe. ST acts like it's realistic, but they make 99% of the sh!t up and it's not funny. Here the Doctors out of date civilian ship casually flies past one.

The Irkens can use teleports or time travel to replace the Daleks or just their brains with rubber piggy’s in only several seconds. Also, do Dalek transmats work though shields and at greater ranges then that video showed?

Daleks can do the same thing except better, and I mean way better. Yes they do, considering they put up shields on Earth and teleport it far across the universe So they can teleport every single Irken planet back in time and space, trapped their, unable to leave. They can do this because the teleported 27 planets from different time lines (E.G. 79 A.D. or 2009 A.D. or 5,000,000,000 A.D.) and they set them a second out of sync with the rest of the universe.

An Irken civilian vehicle the size of a small car used it [Edit:MAJOR TYPOS] side pods (THIS ARE NOT EVEN ITS WEAPONS) to cut through a mini-Dysonsphere used by the Planet Jackers which has a low end of 600GT/s assuming it was the size of Earth and made out of iron plus based on how thick it was. It took about one minute for it to cut through. This is what ZIM the destroyer of everything got after he had exiled by the Tallest. There is also: The can that held the weight of Mars… http://forums.spacebattles.com/showthread.php?t=89337

IIRC he did the side pod calcs also.

Not to mention the Doctors out-of-date civilian ship destroyed a star with zero strain and

So how do the weapons work? Do they just rip them apart and can shield objects survive it etc.etc? This sounds more like it should be able to one shot anything.

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6t692kpqhs] This is their painful setting [/url]

It would considering on full power it penetrates alien nuclear domes or shakes up alien craft.

Otherwise, I think the Irkens can tank what ever is thrown at them short of the galaxy destroying weapon. All that would do though is tick them off and make the entire Armada head straight for the Daleks though. And an Armada used in a bid at universal conquest is going to easily number in at least the hundreds of trillions. All of these ships with high Exaton to mid range Yottaton firepower with a rapid fire rate about the same as turbolasers. Attacking from FTL and ramming things at FTL.

Also, you can look up more at SB if what I gave you wasn’t enough.

Ha, if hundreds of yottatons is what the capital shoots, then it's no match for the Death Star that fires 20 billion exatons.

Those craptastic mechs have low Petaton power for the Maim Bot which can be piloted by a single Irken and most likely high Petaton to low Exaton firepower for the Front Line Battlemech which needs half a dozen or so controllers. And those jetpacks are rated at 380,000+ Gs from Planet Jackers and it doesn’t even harm the Irkens using them in anyway.

You mean the one that was just destroying buildings on the Irkens planet? If that's petatons, then Daleks fire yotta-zetta-yotta-peta-exa-yotta-zetta-yotta-yotta tons x100.

Even if PAKs accelerate that fast, Daleks can fly at ludicrous speeds flying through the atmosphere with zero problems and colliding with the power to destroy the rain forest and survive for 50 years of torture.

The Irkens also have short range telepoters in their PAKs which Zim used to transporter organs out of others to try and appear more normal.

Not impressive, if Irkens can't perfect disguises, then they're screwed in technology.

[Shogun]

well yes and no,i use both,because the EU is the backstage of the movies,in
a sense.
if Lucas didn't want Palpatine to be cloned,or Luck to get married,he should have not allow those books to be further published!
but they were,and simple like that,they are cannon!
he has the ultimate word,and he failed to stop his universe into becoming
what he did not wanted,therefor making the EU as cannon as the movies themselves!

Well maybe he have a company to run and money to make, that's why he licensed EU probably. I am all against ditching the movies.

[George1]

Well maybe he have a company to run and money to make, that's why he licensed EU probably. I am all against ditching the movies.

who was ditching the movies? i did not,neither did anybody else!

[Shogun]

ah...ok. well you should do lessons to learn the basic theory, then move on up to the other stuff, level by level, through counterpoint, harmony, analysis. I don't know what the lesson system is like in your country, but you can always do private lessons you should learn the above mentioned and the other levels only if you really WANT to learn all that. But if you only want to know how to read the basics, just continue with your piano' lessons but simultaneously do the basic theory, or else your learning curve will be unbalanced. Hope that helps

Yeah, that helped, I started taking lessons but I was like 5 when I started and I never used CDEFGAB ever since, I always used lines and spaces. I am only level 6 . When someone gives be the alphabet and tell me to play it, I can't but when someone give me lines and spaces then I can probably do it.

[Shogun]

who was ditching the movies? i did not,neither did anybody else!

Well....

the SW i am referring to is the EU,because the movies are the part where all
i want is fun!what part don't you get?
i am referring to the EU,not the movies!

That sounded like you want to use the EU universe but not the movie universe. What I said about me against ditching the movies is tell anyone to not ditch the movies, which doesn't mean someone already want to ditch the movies. Proactive...

[Apocalypse2001]

Yeah, that helped, I started taking lessons but I was like 5 when I started and I never used CDEFGAB ever since, I always used lines and spaces. I am only level 6 . When someone gives be the alphabet and tell me to play it, I can't but when someone give me lines and spaces then I can probably do it.

well that seems wierd. Are you talking about someone giving you chord progressions for example? like: E min7 A maj7 D9b7 etc??? because in order to play with a staff you'd HAVE to know how to read the notes..... I'm just a little unclear as to what exactly you mean...

[George1]

Well....



That sounded like you want to use the EU universe but not the movie universe. What I said about me against ditching the movies is tell anyone to not ditch the movies, which doesn't mean someone already want to ditch the movies. Proactive...

no,i use BOTH!

[ricrery]

What's wrong with EU? For all we know, they were using Flak Gun level turbos in the Original Trilogy, and in RotS, the Venator and IH both fire Flak Guns at each other!

[Shogun]

well that seems wierd. Are you talking about someone giving you chord progressions for example? like: E min7 A maj7 D9b7 etc??? because in order to play with a staff you'd HAVE to know how to read the notes..... I'm just a little unclear as to what exactly you mean...

I meant I can recognize the lines and spaces but not their alphabetical counterparts. I know it is weird, I don't know why either.

[Apocalypse2001]

I meant I can recognize the lines and spaces but not their alphabetical counterparts. I know it is weird, I don't know why either.

huh......ok well all that means is you know what a staff looks like. Anyway just learn what I said if you want. You still have time to explore what you want to do.

[Shogun]

huh......ok well all that means is you know what a staff looks like. Anyway just learn what I said if you want. You still have time to explore what you want to do.

Yeah, I haven't used the alphabet notes in a LONG TIME, I usually sight-read like I should but I don't want to lose the ability to use alphabet notes. Anyways I am viewing your videos on youtube.

[George1]

lol,music hour...

[Apocalypse2001]

oh dear God.....i just learned of this after coming back from a shoot: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_477501.html

i can't help not cryng.......

[George1]

sorry to hear that mate!

[Shogun]

oh dear God.....i just learned of this after coming back from a shoot: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_477501.html

i can't help not cryng.......

Why the hell did he have to commit suicide?? Or is it a suicide??

[Shogun]

Apocalypse, why not take a look at the Sciforum Fleet thread? The more the merrier