Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Shogun]

all of those were made by control freaks hell bent on controlling people's thoughts and language. Even George carlin said it, and it's absolutely true.

Did you mean the laws? We can't have anarchy or the world with be screwed up place ( not that it isn't a screwed up place already ).

[Shogun]

I believe there are scientists inspired by Star Trek, but to say the world is becoming Star Trek? I really don't think so.

[Apocalypse2001]

Did you mean the laws? We can't have anarchy or the world with be screwed up place ( not that it isn't a screwed up place already ).

that's sounds very brainwashy. If people were not always under the thumb of man made law, they wouldn't act out. They wouldn't cause heinous crimes. The only reason the fight the system, fight the law, and everything else, is because it has always been corrupt. Those laws were created to serve the elite, and not the commoner.

[Shogun]

Well the world can have no laws in everyone had integrity and honor, which a lot of people don't.

[Apocalypse2001]

Well the world can have no laws in everyone had integrity and honor, which a lot of people don't.

That's a circular argument. ---

Anyway I'm off to bed. I'll be back.

[Shogun]

That's a circular argument. ---

Anyway I'm off to bed. I'll be back.

Cya, bye

[Kittamaru]

LMAO....pay the children to do it. And then pretend you worked your ass off to get a bit of simpathy

Actually, we dont' have kids - 21 and 23 here No kids for a few years thanks :P

[Kittamaru]

"Rolls eyes" he never said it was non canon you fool! He stated it was parallel to his own and it isn't stated that this is movie Star Wars vs Star Trek, is it? So, I can use EU with ease, and you can't stop me, and no one will stop me

No, he stated simply that it was a parallel UNIVERSE to his own. There's a BIG difference.

[Kittamaru]

What the hell was that? I love Star Wars because of the action, that doesn't mean I will go around shooting up my school. There is something called honor and integrity.

Yes, and you are not a rabid warsie. You are a dedicated fan. There is a HUGE difference.

Just like there are Trekkies, and TrekHeads. Trekkies (like myself) love the series and know it inside and out. Trekheads think they do, but make up crap to try to win arguments

[Kittamaru]

The Federation is impossible until someone can figure out how to make a replicator, until then ( or maybe inventing a replicator won't help ) the green paper is what make the world go around.

P.S. Green paper = $$

Actually, replication technology exists on the small scale now - we use similar processes to make infinitely small processing chips, laying circuits nearly atom by atom.

On a larger scale:

http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome

The RepRap, self duplicating 3D Printer. It creates something like 90% of the materials needed to reproduce itself. The next step is making the final 10%, then self assembly. It's quite cool.

[Kittamaru]

that's sounds very brainwashy. If people were not always under the thumb of man made law, they wouldn't act out. They wouldn't cause heinous crimes. The only reason the fight the system, fight the law, and everything else, is because it has always been corrupt. Those laws were created to serve the elite, and not the commoner.

Take America for example - it is the citizens DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to oust the government when it becomes corrupt... look at us now. Lol... it's horrible, and something is going to give. I just hope it's done before civil war 2.0 breaks out and results in WWIII...

[Kittamaru]

Well the world can have no laws in everyone had integrity and honor, which a lot of people don't.

Well, here's a thought - why do we punish people who kill people by killing them to show that killing is wrong?

Answer- because we don't do it to show killing is wrong. We do it to get RID of people that kill for the sake of killing.

Your average serial killer can NOT be rehabilitated, no matter what the bleeding hearts might tell ya. They often kill for the joy of killing. You can't fix that.

[Shogun]

I think the death roll prisoners should be given a rifle that only works after a certain amount of time, stuffed in a plane and parachuted over enemy territory, they are going to die anyways, why not die with honor.

[Shogun]

Yes, and you are not a rabid warsie. You are a dedicated fan. There is a HUGE difference.

Just like there are Trekkies, and TrekHeads. Trekkies (like myself) love the series and know it inside and out. Trekheads think they do, but make up crap to try to win arguments

I know I am not able to debate the firepower, I don't have the knowledge, I am 13 years old, I don't have the concept of megaton drilled into me, all I know it is 1 million tons of TNT. I know the numbers but not what they mean in terms of destruction. I am going to stay away from that. However I am going to debate how Star Wars will put up a good fight, even if it doesn't have superior firepower. You have to admit, the Empire have a superior army if not a superior navy.

P.S. Thanks for the compliment

[Shogun]

Actually, replication technology exists on the small scale now - we use similar processes to make infinitely small processing chips, laying circuits nearly atom by atom.

On a larger scale:

http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/WebHome

The RepRap, self duplicating 3D Printer. It creates something like 90% of the materials needed to reproduce itself. The next step is making the final 10%, then self assembly. It's quite cool.

Omg, I never knew that! Anyways, it will be a long way till the green stuff stops making the world go around.

[Shogun]

I am tired, I am going to go take a shower and go to sleep, cya all.

[ProphetofWisdom]

I missed that - I have been glazing over your posts since you become factual I will strive to go back and read them

Ok. You may have to look a little farther back though because I didn't notice at the time it had already reached page 901. If you can't find it, just tell me and I'll post it again.

Proof that proton torpedoes are designed to be shield piercing?

They are not. As I already pointed out before there are two types of shielding in Star Wars which I forget which does which at the moment because of how long its been since I’ve and SW or watched the movie, but lets see if I can get it right: Particle Shields block solid objects, asteroid, torpdoes etc.etc. Ray Shields block energy weapons, Tubolasers, plasma weapons etc.etc.

Sorry, none of the sources for that page are high canon, and the movies never once show the use of anything as potent as antimatter, so contradicted and invalidated as a course of canon.

That is not contradicted since the movies have shown us that level of firepower from the Seismic Charges and the HTL bolt in RoTJ that vaporized an Imperial class-Star Destroyer which proves low Gigaton range firepower for Star Wars.

B) Hypermatter is almost exactly like Anti-Matter, except LESS efficient and MORE dangerous, and you need MORE of it to do the SAME thing. Reading comprehension would help you here.

Proof? How much matter and anti-matter would have to be annihilated every second to much the high end 860 Teratons per second? The fact is from what I understand and recall reading at SB there is some technobabble about about Hypermatter that allows it to take up less space then the same amount of normal matter.

If you are talking about specifically Star Trek Anti-matter ignore this part.

Uhm, no. Because it bears the same name, Star Wars proponents claim it has the same properties. L2Read before insulting me, kthnxbai

He is talking about a completely different armor for the Sun Crusher. The QC armor used by the Sun Crusher is beyond any other type of armor in the EU that I know of in that it lets the ship ram through the bridge of an ISD completely intact, survive being at the core of a gas giant, and even a glancing hit from the prototype DS super laser which puts the armor in the high GT to mid-TT range.

Then you would be rather surprised as your DS rather suddenly turns into a molten ball of lead.

You can't pick what facts you use mate. It's all or nothing. You haven't watched Trek at all, have ya.

I doubt that, the DS is far to large for normal Trek weapons to do that to. IIRC mountain size rocks from the first planet the DS destroyed in the novel Death Star just bounced off the shields and where moving at farctions of C.
Going to take heavy firepower to take down a Death Star.

*Snip*

Now, unless you think you're more qualified to make those decisions than Ph.D's in Physics, Chemistry, Biology, and other fields, shut up.

I wouldn't go that path if I were you since that is one of the ways in which the ICS high end is defended. Eh, they still have proof of low GT from G canon at least now.

Proof please? And please, not from a book. A movie would be nice.

Does the number need to be stated? If not, we know that Mustfar in RoTS is around 40K light years from Imperial Center and the Emperor took no more then an hour at most to reach the planet. You also have Darth Maul going from the outer rim in TPM to the core within a short amount of time also (more in the area of a day I believe).

Q cannot be killed except by another Q or by a method created by the Q and willingly given to a person...

I believe that the Q could be killed by normal weapons IF cut off from the Continuum like in VOY during the Q War Civil. A sub-space shock wave from an exploding star cut a Q of from the Continuum which took away her powers which would most likely mean she could be killed without Q weapons.

I can easily explain how it did that - it used more fuel than you could FIT into an ISD to do so. That's WHY it's so honking big! DId you even READ about your own hypermatter? Did you? Tell me how many TONS a second is used by an ISD at full power. Think about that for a moment.

Think about how impossible it should be for an ISD to use carry enough fuel for a full combat load. The fact is it Hypermatter has some sort of technobabble about complex matter that allows it to take up less space then the same amount of normal matter. Or that is what I remember seeing over at SB once. At least it takes care of the fact of where the hell they put it all.

Now, I didn't forget anything or miss anything did I?

*Clears throat* All hail the almighty Irken Empire! UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Apocalypse2001]

Take America for example - it is the citizens DUTY and RESPONSIBILITY to oust the government when it becomes corrupt... look at us now. Lol... it's horrible, and something is going to give. I just hope it's done before civil war 2.0 breaks out and results in WWIII...

WWIII that brings back memories....ST memories that is lets hope we can at least TRY and prevent it in our world :/

[Apocalypse2001]

*Clears throat* All hail the almighty Irken Empire! UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

....*wispers* "Throat lozenge for you sire?"

[ricrery]

Daleks are supreme, Irken are inferior! Inferior creatures are the enemy of the Daleks, they must be destroyed! EX-TER-MIN-ATE ALL IRKEN!