Star Wars vs Star Trek

**George1** · 03-15-10, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

The Sun Crusher was made of Star Wars style Neutronium if I remember... the same stuff Han Solo was able to pick up and crush to a powder between his fingers.

no,it was made out
of Quantum-crystalline armor,in other words,It was made possible by stacking a few layers of atoms as densely as the laws of physics could permit, and laminating them above another thin film that was as strong, but phase shifted. that's the official description,moron!

Because it shares the same name, some "rabid warsies" like Ricery here like to think it would be immune to Trek weapons the same way the Doomsday Device was... thing is, Trek neutronium only forms inside a Neutron Star... not on a moon that a human being is able to stand up on, much less as a substance you could pick up (one teaspoon would weigh hundreds of tons if I remember right)

just because it bears the same name,you think it's the same thing?
wow,how moronic of you!

**George1** · 03-15-10, 09:58 AM

if it produces near-limitless energy...why does the reactor take up two thirds of an entire isd? A reactor of that efficiency would only be the size of a mid-sized bedroom for a ship 1700m long.

what??

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

A couple problems with your last retort:

1) If the exhaust port is shielded, why did Lukes Proton Torpedo go thru the shielding?

cut if you would fucking watch the movies,it was shielded only against heavy weapons,but Proton Torpedoes are designed
EXACTLY to go through them!
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2) Trans-phasic torpedoes can bypass shielding by phasing partially out of this dimension... you can't block them except with multi-dimensional shielding

oh,not again this stupid bullshit pseudoscience!

3) Assuming Trans-Phasic torps don't work the way I expect them to, Chroniton Torpedos would (they fucking TIME SHIFT to bypass your shields and armor... how would you defeat that) - See Star Trek: Voyager and the Kremlin Timeship episodes

i don't give a shit about the PSEUDOSCIENCE of Voyager!

4) If it CAN hyperspace right up to it's target, why didn't it the FIRST time... it had to slowboat it around to the rebel base...

cuz the Empire had priorities in engaging in a battle,one of them being exiting hyperspace
far from the planet in order to make preliminary scans of the fucking area!

5) I give the DS1 a one in fifty thousand chance of making it past the SOL system defenses, including Jupiter Station, Mars Station, and Earth Spacedock.

and i give those stations 1 in a trillion chances to
have any effect of the DS1!

**Shogun** · 03-15-10, 10:10 AM

Any intelligent commander will prep the battlefield and gather intel before going in there, that's why only morons will hyperspace right up to the target. If you had their odds, you wouldn't have believed that a proton torpedo will make it in, I wondered why they didn't try concussion missiles. It will only work if it is carried by a fighter, because they can just intercept the torpedo in mid flight. Same name doesn't = same thing. TurboLASERS aren't lasers for example, LIGHTsabers aren't light, my username is SHOGUN that doesn't make me the military dictator of Japan.

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

OH my god... hypermatter is so stupid it isn't even funny...

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hypermatter

well for a moron with only warp cores in mind,it is!

So a fusion power system can contain a hypermatter reaction... hate to break it to ya, but matter/antimatter reaction is the MOST EFFICIENT and most energetic FUSION power system you can possibly build... by the LAWS OF FUCKIN PHYSICS!

well then explain why the DS1 was able to
generate enough energy to blow up a planet,go through hyperspace across
the galaxy,and be ready to fire,ALL IN THE SAME DAY?
you can't because hypermater reactors produce way more energy that
puny matter/antimatter reaction!

Hm... an entire ship vaporized by a malfunction in it's core... at least in Trek we can eject the damndable thing...

right...and if the ejection system is broke...?

Ah, so THAT is the REAL REASON your ships are so large! You need MASSIVE amounts of storage space! Good to know - we'll just use a narrow-beam phaser to drill into one of your containment pods and *poof*

ee,NO,(Moron)ittamaru,the Venator was a warship,if you know what that means,it needed it's large size to carry large weapons and also carry it's
starfighters!loser!

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by Char

Cool,Im 17 on April 24th how bout you?

hahah,so is one of my college in school! coincidence...?

**Shogun** · 03-15-10, 10:17 AM

Star Wars ships also carry the ammunition and supplies for huge numbers of troops. Don't forget the Death Star is not only the superlaser, it is also a staging platform for assaults. It have drydocks, massive hangers and the supplies for armadas.

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Actually, Trek IS becoming real...

far from it!

Things Trek has inspired (according to multiple sources AND multiple documentaries)

"sources" that already think star trek is real?like you?

Cell Phones

no,they had walky-talkies!

Pagers

where are you getting this stuffs?

Automatic Sliding Doors

WHERE ARE YOU GETTING THESE?
they never appear in star trek,they were though of without trek needing to
invent them!

Radiation Therapy

now stop!!!!
this is stupid! Radiation Therapy was NOT invented by star trek,you are
taking credits fore something real!

I could go on...

i ask you not to!

Also, when the Aerospace industry makes massive advancements and credit a sci-fi source, who do they credit?

cuz they are trekkies!they would do anything for kirk!

Trek.

WARS!

So, yeah, stuff it.

trek lost long ago,when Star Wars first came out!
since then,trek is outdated!

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

You have yet to provide an iota of proof... go home kid. You lost.

well he did showed proof..you just ignore it!

**Shogun** · 03-15-10, 10:29 AM

Ronald Reagan started the Star Wars program, you see the Star WARS program not the Star TREK program. Do Star Trek have a huge government research project named after them? NO!

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Since WHEN did Star Wars have Transporters

they don't need them!

or Anti-Matter

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Antimatter

or REPLICATORS for that matter?

not in you'll stile,but they do have them!

**George1** · 03-15-10, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

http://www.canonwars.com/SWCanon2.html#III-B-2-B

Many more quotes from Lucas himself saying that EU is a separate universe altogether...

and yet it is included in everything about star wars TOGETHER with the movies!

**Nexarc** · 03-15-10, 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by ricrery

Ha, considering I already stated even if it wasn't G-Canon (which it is as it is a movie reference book), then it's still CONTINUITY canon, that's right, not non-canon, or secondary canon, but continuity canon.

Which means elements are subject to discontinuity if they contradict anything of G or T canon. Which those output numbers do.

That was from the Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross Sections, and therefor it is canon. Besides, Star Trek "super" yields are no more than mid range gigatons.

Lower canon that contradicts visual evidence of the movies and shows. At least the ST yields are acceptable in terms of the tech manuals.

Mhm, you confess to admitting EU (canon) would tear Star Trek a new asshole big time, and try everything in your power to exclude it. NO wonder you're such a fanboy.

EU canon is just as messed up as the whole of ST. The overall plotline is consistant, but those weapon outputs tactics, and technological explainations vary wildly between books

Originally Posted by George1

well he did showed proof..you just ignore it!

Because such evidence is flawed, outdated, or of unreliable sources

Originally Posted by Shogun

Ronald Reagan started the Star Wars program, you see the Star WARS program not the Star TREK program. Do Star Trek have a huge government research project named after them? NO!

No, ST just has more numerous but subtle influences on everything else.

Originally Posted by George1

they don't need them!

Even though it is less prone to physical interference. Shuttles and other craft can be shot down, but a transporter only worries about signal loss and jamming.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Antimatter

Which no one knows how to properly use

not in you'll stile,but they do have them!

Then why don't they use them? It would solve many food storage problems and recycle supplies to prolong missions.

**George1** · 03-15-10, 02:47 PM

[QUOTE=Nexarc;2499723]EU canon is just as messed up as the whole of ST. The overall plotline is consistant, but those weapon outputs tactics, and technological explainations vary wildly between books

Because such evidence is flawed, outdated, or of unreliable sources

it is not,you just don't want to accept it!

No, ST just has more numerous but subtle influences on everything else.

yes it dose,but star wars outruns it time and time again!
all star trek shows is government run exploration,with 99.9 % of the starships
showed there being owned,rented or completely run by the government!
Star Wars shows personal owned starships,build by private corporations,and
that will make it more realistic ,and attractive to watch,for a space fearing
civilization EVER showed on TV! period!

Then why don't they use them? It would solve many food storage problems and recycle supplies to prolong missions.

no it wont,they can synthesize proteins,can make artificial food,but they don't want artificial food,they want natural and a bit fucking fresh!
AND SO WOULD I!

**~~ricrery~~** · 03-15-10, 03:14 PM

All this is not to say that Lucas is unaware of the EU treatment of his films. For instance, StarWars.com set journalist Pablo Hidalgo got a chance to overhear a conversation about Anakin's new facial scar during the making of Episode III, reporting it thusly:

"”So how did Anakin get that scar, George?” asks John Knoll

”I don't know. Ask Howard,” says George, referring to President of Lucas Licensing Howard Roffman. ”That's one of those things that happens in the novels between the movies. I just put it there. He has to explain how it got there. I think Anakin got it slipping in the bathtub, but of course, he's not going to tell anybody that.”»

So EU is canon, and Nexarc, ever thought they weren't going to use an atomic bomb on a fly? Plus, they didn't want the Falcon dead.

Off topic, I'm starting to that the "Imperium of Man" from the "Warhammer 40,000" universe is more advanced than the Feds:

They take 6 months to cross half the galaxy and the Federation takes several decades to cross 75,000 light years. W:IoM

Their ships fire petatons and even firing too much on a planet causes the planets crust to chip off, destroying the planet, and the Federation and Klingons both fire at a planet and cause clouds to form over it. W:IoM

Their teleporters are rarely seen outside ships, but they are so powerful as to rip a hole in space and teleport themselves through shields and teleport back instantaneously, and these are common in space battles, but they can cause "telefragging", and the Federation uses transporters mainly on their ships to teleport down to a planet surface and investigate, but it requires anti-matter to be used, and replicators have failed to make those in the past, and they kill people if they have a malfunction. W:IoM

Their replicators are actually STCs and they function as computers and replicators, but they can produce mechanical sentience to planet destroying torpedoes and ships, the only problem is they're rare, and they can become corrupt, and the Federation replicators replicate food and other luxuries, but they can't replicate certain materials or their own fuel, but they are common throughout Starfeet. W:Tie

**George1** · 03-15-10, 03:24 PM

also,a class 1.0 Hyperdrive motivator was capable of speeds in excess of one hundred million times the speed of light. so there! THAT'S ADVANCE!

**George1** · 03-15-10, 03:38 PM

oh,and i just found out why the thermal exhaust port was even there!
when the DS1 designer (Bevel Lemelisk)was attending to the construction of
the Death Star,he decided that (surprise) the post was not needed!
he therefor ordered the wookie in charge of that are not to build it, but the
wookie died soon after,and his replacement build it any way according to the
plans!

**Shogun** · 03-15-10, 03:49 PM

The EU does the explaining and the expansion for the movies. Its funny how the Mandalorian Empire already figured out how to turn planets into molten slags very quickly thousands of years before the Galactic Empire. The Mandalorian ships are small mind you, because they are made out of Beskar'gem. I believe the Falcon's hyperdrive is 0.5 which is 2x faster than the 1.0 ckass.

**George1** · 03-15-10, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by Shogun

The EU does the explaining and the expansion for the movies. Its funny how the Mandalorian Empire already figured out how to turn planets into molten slags very quickly thousands of years before the Galactic Empire. The Mandalorian ships are small mind you, because they are made out of Beskar'gem. I believe the Falcon's hyperdrive is 0.5 which is 2x faster than the 1.0 ckass.

yup,0.5!
that is more that 100 million c,and official calculation of a warp 9 factor is
1516.38 c,WAY slower than a class 15,way slower that virtually ANY class
of hyperdrive!
now saying that a civilization capable of that technology would be defeated by
the puny Borg,Feds or the ENTIRE trek universe,it's immensely stupid!

**Apocalypse2001** · 03-15-10, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by stateofmind

It is amazing the depth and seriousness you guys take this. I'm not trying to make fun of this or anything but I'm just amazed. I feel like some of you have doctorates in this or something.

well, we do take it quite seriously;

not to the point of rediculous bullshit like some have for the past few pages. People like me, Kittamaru, Nexarc etc, might hate Warsies (for good reason of course), but we do keep a level head in the face of childish behavior that seeks to defend stupid sources. While I myself might lack at times the ability to recall certain information, I keep it serious and mature (like the others I mentioned by name), because we (and if I may be so bold as to speak for some of the others) seek to honor what Star Trek has mentioned/provided for more than half a century. As long as we honor those ideas (even in our personal life) and hope that our world will be like that someday, I think MAYBE, just MAYBE this planet won't go down the toilet.