Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Apocalypse2001]

Well Trektard, I bet you believe Star Trek WILL happen, what a pair of dumbasses you are! So, because they used a cellphone like device, it means it inspired the cellphone? Man, you Trektards are mentally ill. Besides, Star Wars is real in the multiverse.

well....did you drink moonshine to come up with that rebuttle? or was it embalming fluid?

[ProphetofWisdom]

The SSD was being pounded with everything the Rebels have and is ordered not to fire any of its guns. Just to show how powerful the shields are, the SSD crashed into the Death Star and it barely scratched it. No critical/visible damage. it doesn't matter what level of canon it is, its still valid.

1. They were ordered to not attack unless the rebels made a run for it. Once the rebels were to close for the DS to take out without blowing up part of the fleet they would have to fight back.

2. There is no proof for it either being completely destroyed or being largely intact after it went up in a giant fireball in the scene it hit the DS 2 in.

Im not sure but as the A wing was about to hit the bridge, the commander said Put the sheilds up, this would make you presume they were down which is pretty stupid to do in the middle of a battle, If it was against Trek all they would need to do is fire a photon or quantom torpedo, this would hit before the commander even had a chance to say sheilds up, effectvly destroying Warscapital ship

Incorrect, he stated the shields had failed and then ordered the forward Turbolaser batteries to increase fire so nothing could get through. The order came to late.

if they couldn't control the ship even with a backup bridge, after being rammed by tiny fighter, the ships are truly pathetic....the bigger they are, the harder they fall.
Now.....take a Dominion capital ship and those kind of kamakaze antics won't even affect it's sensors.

The backup bridge did not have enough time to take control of the ship before the massive burst of acceleration rammed it into the Second Death Star. If the shields had been up the SSD would still have been in the fight and may have even turned the tide of the battle.

[Apocalypse2001]

The backup bridge did not have enough time to take control of the ship before the massive burst of acceleration rammed it into the Second Death Star. If the shields had been up the SSD would still have been in the fight and may have even turned the tide of the battle.

I understand .
and what if the moon were made of cheese! or the Pyramids to be made of gold-pressed latinum. But some things won't happen just because you wish them to be so.
Like Shogun implied. Big guns, big egos. At some pointthey'll go snap crackle pop.

[ProphetofWisdom]

I understand .
and what if the moon were made of cheese! or the Pyramids to be made of gold-pressed latinum. But some things won't happen just because you wish them to be so.

I greatly prefer the rebels winning instead of the Empire. I was just commenting that if the SSD had not been taken out it could have turned the tide of the battle with ease because of it's vast array of weapons.

Like Shogun implied. Big guns, big egos. At some pointthey'll go snap crackle pop.

"Call them and tell them we're going to blow them up." -- Almighty Tallest Purple when he sees something new.: p

The Irkens have some of the biggest guns in Sci-fi and the only time they don't blow up the planet in one shot is when the Irkens just want a planet sized parking lot!

UNIVERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

[Shogun]

The fleet was ordered to do nothing no matter what, they are ordered to let the fighters/bombers/Death Star do all the fighting. They didn't fire at all. Its weird that only the Death Squadron was present at the battle, well if more ships were present and they fired their turbolasers, it wouldn't have the emotional effect and stuff, but it would be fun to watch. The reason the SSD fell that fast was because of the Death Stars powerful gravity wells. Most of the high-ranking fleet officers are aristocrats that got their rank because of their influential families, so they think the Rebels are lesser then them ( not true, because there are also other nobility in the rank of the rebels ), that's how most of them were trained. Only the superb ones realized they should be taken seriously.

[Shogun]

well....did you drink moonshine to come up with that rebuttle? or was it embalming fluid?

Personally I think the Galactic Republic is more realistic ( not the tech, the government structure and society ) then the Federation.

[Shogun]

Well if the Rebels didn't win then the Vong would have got owned by the Empire, so I preferred the Rebels to win AFTER the Vong war.

[ProphetofWisdom]

The fleet was ordered to do nothing no matter what, they are ordered to let the fighters/bombers/Death Star do all the fighting. They didn't fire at all.

I just remembered being just keep the rebels from escaping meaning they would have to fight back at some point. Guess I'll have to check my copy of RoTJ novel once I'm done reading through The Ringworld Engineers.

Its weird that only the Death Squadron was present at the battle, well if more ships were present and they fired their turbolasers, it wouldn't have the emotional effect and stuff, but it would be fun to watch.

I it was more then just Death Squadron since unless I am forgeting something Death Squadron was 6 ISD type II's and an SSD plus hundreds of support ships. We saw 40-50 Star Destroyers in the battle.

The reason the SSD fell that fast was because of the Death Stars powerful gravity wells.

No, the Death Star's gravity well could not have been powerful enough to pull in something like a Super Star Destroyer in only a matter of seconds. The only way it could cross the thousands of kilometers it did would be by the engines going out of control. We already know they have impressive acceleration from when they cross from out the darkside of Endor to the dayside in only a matter of minutes.

Most of the high-ranking fleet officers are aristocrats that got their rank because of their influential families, so they think the Rebels are lesser then them ( not true, because there are also other nobility in the rank of the rebels ), that's how most of them were trained. Only the superb ones realized they should be taken seriously.

True, I just thought I recalled the order being don't attack unless they try and run for it.

[stateofmind]

It is amazing the depth and seriousness you guys take this. I'm not trying to make fun of this or anything but I'm just amazed. I feel like some of you have doctorates in this or something.

[Kittamaru]

Could you could you not do this? Because I have to manually separate the quotes.



GOOD LOGIC! So when they have to go fight in ship-to-ship combat, what are they going to do?
Riker: Fire torpedoes
Worf: The Photon Torpedoes didn't pierce the shielding-
Worf: Captain, the enemy vessel is firing 200,000 megatons!
*Enterprises demise*

1) Prove 200,000 megatons.
2) Prove photon torpedos wouldn't penetrate the shields
3) Prove phasers wouldn't obliterate the shields or bypass them completely

And by PROVE I mean with, you know, evidence?

Even though almost everything in Star Wars is covered by [url=http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Neutronium]neutronium? There transporters wouldn't do shit against it, and it would destroy their so called capital ships with Tie-Fighter guns or just ram through them. EASY WIN.

Again, Star Wars Neutronium is NOT Star Trek Neutronium



WOW! This is all you can come up with? WRONG! You, dumbass supreme, can't figure out how to click on that link, or you can't read, or both! The Death Star's firepower is 1E38Joules! Guess how much power it takes to be type 3? Less than the Death Stars output.

And considering there are more ships in the GE than there are turbos on the Death Star, I suppose he was referring to its main weapon. Not to mention they use something 300,000 times stronger than steel.




No dumbass! It would mean he would have a concept of how well advanced a 25,000 year old empire would be (no more questions from you butthurt fanboy Trektard), opposed to an idiot who assumes the empire that has lasted for a few hundred years will beat a 25,000 year old empire.

What? Are you suggesting the Federation can beat them, or that you don't give a shit? Considering threads with Trektards as stupid as you suggest they can beat both...



So? These phasers would just popping tiny holes in a Borg Cube, which have HOLES coming out of them, QUITE LAUGHABLE






Oh really?

Funny, you don't see it, let me make it clear to everyone too!



So it is NO WHERE to be found, you lying sack of shit!

Wow... I just... I give up. You aren't worth wasting my time on, and I have reported your posts just because they're offensive to me both personally AND intellectually.

[ProphetofWisdom]

Well if the Rebels didn't win then the Vong would have got owned by the Empire, so I preferred the Rebels to win AFTER the Vong war.

True. But wasn't the Emperor planning on draining the life out of half the galaxy or something I thought? Better that the rebels had won when they did really.

If only Thrawn had not been killed. He would have taken out the Vong with a hand full of ships and only lose a few dozen fighters and some smaller support ships.

[Shogun]

Death Star was the most important strike force in the fleet but other fleets were present ( sorry my bad for my mistake earlier ), but I don't remember the other elite fleets present. True, they can wipe the floor of them when they try to run ( or after Luke betrayed them ). The Death Star was almost stationary, the Gravity Wells was probably the main factor. If you take a look at how the Executor fell, it looks like its due to gravity.

[Kittamaru]

Maybe, it also stated that one turbolaser blast could fry a small city, and that would be megatons, but considering Star Wars cities are obviously (Coruscant is a city!) bigger, it would be gigatons. ICS or not, they're stronger.

And the NCC-1701-A USS Enterprise (Kirks Enterprise) could accidentally ignite the atmosphere of a PLANET with the EXHAUST of their Impulse Drive if they weren't careful while entering the atmosphere... the EXHAUST... dude, think about it!

Not to mention the fact that Starships in Star Trek can, and HAVE (IN THE SERIES) used their phasers to stun an entire city, wipe COUNTRIES off the planet, etc... so vaporizing a city... nothing special.

As such, ICS or not, Phasers trump TL's by YOUR OWN LOGIC

[Shogun]

The Emperor wanted to enslave most of the galaxy, not to wipe it out. Yeah, Thrawn, Vader, and Piett are some of the best commanders in the Empire, Vader was more of the ground and fighter type commander.

[Kittamaru]

Apocalypse your wanking is laughable! The Dominion fire watts on their normal ships! WATTS! WATTS ARE NOT GIGATONS! The Enterprise lost its shields to 400 gigawatt and the ICS gives turbolasers 200 gigatons. You just learned something: 200 gigatons >>>>>>> 400 gigawatts

Negative - the Enterprise did NOT loose it shields to a 400 gigawatt blast... it lost it's shields to an entity that didn't exist. Controlled by a being that could CONTROL ALL ENERGY in ANY form with his MIND.

He could remove the bio-chemical impulses from your BODY with a THOUGHT. He was able to materialize a ship WITH A THOUGHT.
He was able to REMAKE HIS WIFE with his mind!!!!

COME ON MAN! That's not even a fair comparison.

However, if you WANT to play that way:

Q

Trek Wins.

STFU plz.

[Shogun]

Wiping countries and planets is nothing special. Call the Imperial Commandos and they can wipe out entire governments in a few weeks.

[Kittamaru]

Well Trektard, I bet you believe Star Trek WILL happen, what a pair of dumbasses you are! So, because they used a cellphone like device, it means it inspired the cellphone? Man, you Trektards are mentally ill. Besides, Star Wars is real in the multiverse.

Actually, Trek IS becoming real...

Things Trek has inspired (according to multiple sources AND multiple documentaries)

Cell Phones
Pagers
Automatic Sliding Doors
Radiation Therapy

I could go on...

Also, when the Aerospace industry makes massive advancements and credit a sci-fi source, who do they credit?

Trek.

So, yeah, stuff it.

[Shogun]

P.S. I mean a command squad, 4 man squads

[Kittamaru]

Wiping countries and planets is nothing special. Call the Imperial Commandos and they can wipe out entire governments in a few weeks.

Yeah, and the Tal Shiar can wipe out an imperial star government in one minute... whoop de doo

My point was, vaporizing cities is nothing important

[ProphetofWisdom]

It is amazing the depth and seriousness you guys take this. I'm not trying to make fun of this or anything but I'm just amazed. I feel like some of you have doctorates in this or something.

We do.

Zim:" GIR! Attach yourself to the human's head and sing the Doom Song for six months so we may study its effects on them!"

GIR:" Yes master!" GIR's eyes glow red and jumps up on your head before they return to normal and says." I'm going to sing the Doom Song now! Doom doom doom doom doom doom..."

2) Prove photon torpedos wouldn't penetrate the shields

Normal Photons would not be able to get through the shields that block solide objects. We know from the movies that one type of shield works against the lasers and another against torepdoes, asteroids etc.etc.

3) Prove phasers wouldn't obliterate the shields or bypass them completely

Impossible. Unless there is a reason to believe that phasers can normally bypass shields I see no reason to assume that SW shields would not work.


Anyways *Que rant about the all mighty Irken Empire* "The multi-verse is ours for the taking! It is only a matter of time before all the races of the multi-verse serve... the IRKEN EMPIRE!" - What it is going to sound like when OID III begins.

MULTI-VERSAL CONQUEST IS NEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!