View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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  • Star Trek

    227 33.88%
  • Star Wars

    285 42.54%
  • Spaceballs

    51 7.61%
  • Farscape

    14 2.09%
  • Dune

    54 8.06%
  • Stargate

    39 5.82%

Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #17821
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    If the war is waged on Borg soil ( chances are it will be ) then the Empire have no worries about collateral damage so they can just fire at will and use any weapons without worrying about consequences. Star Wars are experts at planetary warfare, and I never saw borgs fight a real planetary battle.

  2. #17822
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    bye, see ya later

  3. #17823
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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse2001 View Post
    5 YEARS?!?! lol the Borg could assimilate entire worlds in a matter of days and ships in a matter of hours ....5 years is a joke.
    now you are juts being ignorant!
    the second death star was 900 km in diameter!
    the entire Trek universe could not build that in 5..actually it was about 2 to 4 years! there's a difference between BUILDING and ASSIMILATING!
    assimilating implies simply taking control of the planet,constructing a 900 km
    DS is a totally different thing!lol!

    (aaaaaaah but therein lays the rub biiiiiig difference between the two. The point is that they CAN still be a threat )
    you are not listening!

  4. #17824
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    They constructed the second Death Star from scratch, that is saying something. It was always bigger and way more powerful then the first Death Star, and they didn't have to stop fleet productions to do so, and it was during the middle of a intergalactic war too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shogun View Post
    They constructed the second Death Star from scratch, that is saying something. It was always bigger and way more powerful then the first Death Star, and they didn't have to stop fleet productions to do so, and it was during the middle of a intergalactic war too.
    not to mention they acquired ALL the material,workforce and defense in
    total secret for most of the production!
    building a 900 km structure would take serious tole on a infrastructure,but the empire did it without any effect!

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    Quote Originally Posted by George1 View Post
    not to mention they acquired ALL the material,workforce and defense in
    total secret for most of the production!
    building a 900 km structure would take serious tole on a infrastructure,but the empire did it without any effect!
    Same with the secret army for the Empire being built during the clone wars. Nobody knew except for Skirata's little group of Republic Commandos and ARC troops and their acquaintances, it was after an extensive search and a few bribes ( not to mention help from shapeshifters that owe a debt to Skirata's little group ) that they figured it out ( eventually they were caught but Ordo killed the Intel agent ). Also the Republic is so rich that nobody really noticed that black hole in the Republic's budget and nobody noticed Skirata ripping off Special Operation's budget and resources. Don't forget the building of the GAR and CIS armies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shogun View Post
    Same with the secret army for the Empire being built during the clone wars. Nobody knew except for Skirata's little group of Republic Commandos and ARC troops and their acquaintances, it was after an extensive search and a few bribes ( not to mention help from shapeshifters that owe a debt to Skirata's little group ) that they figured it out ( eventually they were caught but Ordo killed the Intel agent ). Also the Republic is so rich that nobody really noticed that black hole in the Republic's budget and nobody noticed Skirata ripping off Special Operation's budget and resources. Don't forget the building of the GAR and CIS armies.
    yup,build it total secret until the very last moment!
    any one who said star wars is inferior to star trek rally did not watch anything
    else than the trailer for the movies!

  8. #17828
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    Yeah, and they didn't read any EU materials either, they just assumed.

  9. #17829
    HA! The Enterprise got hit by 400 gigawatts and it damaged the hull and broke the shields! Lying Trekker! 2.2 PT on full power for one gun >>>>> 400 gigawatts.

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    First off, hyperspace and subspace must be extensively mapped before becoming safe to use. This must be accomplished through actual survey missions through ships and long range probes. It is physically impossible for anyone to due so using planet based telescopes and equipment.

    Second of all, ALL ships in the ST universe are capable of reaching incredible speeds using impulse power. Standard impulse limit is 0.25c, but only to prevent time dilation from faster speeds, but ships have the capacity to move faster. The only reason a smaller ship like the Defiant seems faster than others is that these ships have more room to manuever in than a larger vessel. The huge ST capital ships have much more potential to collide in close combat so usually lower their speeds. The tiny ships like Defiants and Mirandas can slip through the spaces between them, so they can move musch more faster. If ISDs can't hit the Falcon, they have no chance of hitting any Trek vessel in wide open space.

    Finally, The ICS books are NOT G-canon, ONLY movies are declared such. Next is T canon, or television shows. The ICS books are either C or S canon (aka Continuity/Secondary canon), but either way the Gigaton output numbers have not been supported by either the T or G canon. In fact, no EU books besides these manuals have supported the claims. The most GENEROUS calculations I have seen put standard SW tech output much lower within the high Kiloton to low megaton levels. This is roughly on par as standard ST tech. If you are about to claim ST manuels are the same way, the numbers within those books are supported by visual canon.

  11. #17831
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    On the Borg, their main offensive strategy is to adapt to all forms of resistance. The ST:FC holodeck scene can be explained as the Borg weren't expecting such primitive weaponary to be used against them. All races they consider worthy of assimilation use energy weapons, so a primitive physical weapon like a bullet-firing machine gun would be a total surprise. But should they be used again, it may not be as affective as the Borg would know what to expect. Close combat with knives and clubs is the worse scenario as it has the highest risk of you being restrained and then assimilated.

    Given enough time, the Borg can even adapt to planet-busting weapons. In their fight against Species 8472, they are unable to assimilate the individuals due to the strong immune systems. However, the Borg were slowly adapting to the weapons Species 8472 held. The planet-destroying beam at first destroyed mulitple cubes in a single shot. By part 2, however, it took a couple shots for complete destruction. The Borg were adapting, but by the time they would have been immune to attack, they would have used up most of their resources and lost a large number of ships and drones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexarc View Post
    First off, hyperspace and subspace must be extensively mapped before becoming safe to use. This must be accomplished through actual survey missions through ships and long range probes. It is physically impossible for anyone to due so using planet based telescopes and equipment.
    the empire can build millions of probes
    and chart enough safe routs within weeks!
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    Second of all, ALL ships in the ST universe are capable of reaching incredible speeds using impulse power. Standard impulse limit is 0.25c, but only to prevent time dilation from faster speeds, but ships have the capacity to move faster. The only reason a smaller ship like the Defiant seems faster than others is that these ships have more room to manuever in than a larger vessel. The huge ST capital ships have much more potential to collide in close combat so usually lower their speeds. The tiny ships like Defiants and Mirandas can slip through the spaces between them, so they can move musch more faster. If ISDs can't hit the Falcon, they have no chance of hitting any Trek vessel in wide open space.
    don't be silly!the Falcon is some 34.75 meters long,while the Defiant is
    170.68 meters long! it is a way more bigger target!
    Finally, The ICS books are NOT G-canon, ONLY movies are declared such. Next is T canon, or television shows. The ICS books are either C or S canon (aka Continuity/Secondary canon), but either way the Gigaton output numbers have not been supported by either the T or G canon. In fact, no EU books besides these manuals have supported the claims. The most GENEROUS calculations I have seen put standard SW tech output much lower within the high Kiloton to low megaton levels. This is roughly on par as standard ST tech. If you are about to claim ST manuels are the same way, the numbers within those books are supported by visual canon.
    i thought we passed this!THEY ARE CANNON!

  13. #17833
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    The Empire is not stupid, they will probably set up camp then send probes and scout ships everywhere to explore ( or acquire maps ). Accurate intel saves lives and win fights. If droids and heavily armored troops armed with vibroblades, force pikes, electrostaffs, Beskar blades .ect ( those weapons are VERY powerful melee weapons, almost on par with the lightsaber ) chances are the Borg is not going to even get close to them, and also the Borg can't assimilate droids or pierce heavy armor. Time is crucial, so the Empire will probably employ a Blitzkrieg operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexarc View Post
    On the Borg, their main offensive strategy is to adapt to all forms of resistance. The ST:FC holodeck scene can be explained as the Borg weren't expecting such primitive weaponary to be used against them. All races they consider worthy of assimilation use energy weapons, so a primitive physical weapon like a bullet-firing machine gun would be a total surprise. But should they be used again, it may not be as affective as the Borg would know what to expect. Close combat with knives and clubs is the worse scenario as it has the highest risk of you being restrained and then assimilated.
    when was the last time you saw hand to hand combat in star trek?They suck at it!
    Stormtroopers can kick a borg's metallic ass with a force pike,or even his hands,because the Borg will not expect it,they will be defeat!

    Given enough time, the Borg can even adapt to planet-busting weapons. In their fight against Species 8472, they are unable to assimilate the individuals due to the strong immune systems. However, the Borg were slowly adapting to the weapons Species 8472 held. The planet-destroying beam at first destroyed mulitple cubes in a single shot. By part 2, however, it took a couple shots for complete destruction. The Borg were adapting, but by the time they would have been immune to attack, they would have used up most of their resources and lost a large number of ships and drones.
    let's sea them adapt to turbolasers or the death stars superlaser!
    the superlaser can pierce a planetary shield in less than a second,while
    an entire armada of star destroyers would need months of bombardment!
    the turbolaser is know to be able to pulverize the surface of the target back
    into quarks,and the so called super adaptive shields of the Borg will be no
    match for the thousand of turbolasers shots!
    they may adapt,but a million turbolasers shots will bring them down!
    you can't hope them to win!

  15. #17835
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    as you can sea in this image,the Star Destroyers were not shooting at the Falcon,the TIE Fighters were! it's impractical to shoot a small ship like the Falcon with high power turbolasers,especially if you want the occupiers ALIVE!


  16. #17836
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    True, they did want the Falcon and its occupants alive by all means necessary. Actually the TIEs did score hits on the Falcon, they are lucky they didn't sent their ace pilots to go after them. The firepower difference between the Borg and the Empire is immense. After a battle, the World Devastators can just recycle the Borg cubes, that means more resources for the Empire. If they didn't needed the Falcon intact, they could have just used their turbolasers, laser cannons and flack cannons ( and sent more TIEs ).The TIE Bombers are so versatile that if the pilot is good enough they can bomb another small ship.

  17. #17837
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    yes,and in this image,they were forced to fire they'll turbolasers,but can't hit
    it because of the ASTEROIDS!
    now,observe that the asteroid is completely molted away,so this is why it was
    impractical to shoot the Falcon with turbolasers!


  18. #17838
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    and if you STILL don't believe in the Empire's superiority,here is an image
    comparing the Death Star to Endor!
    it was all build in some 2-4 years,so THERE!

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    AND PLANETARY SHIELDS!

  20. #17840
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    You are all so stupid it's funny... this has been settled time and again.

    Star Wars could, potentially, give Star Trek a good run for it's money.

    HOWEVER

    That implies all of Star Wars fighting against all of Star Trek, and even then, there are ace cards (Borg, 8472, Dyson Builders, Voth, etc)

    Now, if we assume logical progression of technology (a safe assumption) and take the last saga of Star Wars vs the last saga of Star Trek (Nemesis)... well, you have yourself a clear winner. Star Wars tech hasn't really advanced in centuries according to canon... things have gotten bigger to get more powerful. That isn't advancement, that's just upscale.

    Compare it to even just the Federation, who's ships have gotten smaller, more powerful, faster, and more durable, and all this has been done in one lifetime. Hell, compare the Constellation class to the Galaxy or Sovereign classes... lets not even THINK about the Prometheus, Luna, Norway, Akira, or other combat-designed classes...

    Also remember, the Feds are NOT the strongest combatants in Star Trek - Look at the Klingons, who's ship weapons expand and contract the targets hull BILLIONS of times a second at the molecular level to cause damage... I don't care what kind of armor you have, it'll be raped.

    Now, if we take a more logical fight:

    Star Trek vs Star Wars, with all sides acting as they normally would.

    We'd have something along the lines of:

    Federation/Klingons/Romulans/Gorn/Hydrans/Lyrians/Vulcans/Andorians/Remens/ other Trek Allies + Rebel Alliance

    vs

    Empire

    vs

    Borg

    vs

    8472

    vs

    'Vong

    Now, maybe I'm just a bit naive... but if the Rebels alone were able to topple the Empire... I think the Rebels + half of Star Trek could EASILY wipe the floor with them...

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