Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Shogun]

What you see is what you WANT to see. Your biased view of the so-called 'ST drones' is as such because you're blinded to anything you chose not to see. There are many episodes that show exactly what personal life experiences determine why they have specific morals and make certain decisions.

Just because you don't know much about the Star Trek characters doesn't mean there isn't much to know.



I think I'll read some ST books instead. I'll let you 'war whores' deal with reading the SW stuff. I mean, if the movie dialog is an insult to my intellect, why would I indulge in suffering through more?

What intellect are you talking about? Anyways, Star Trek society is too unrealistic. In Star Wars, they have greed, corruption, betrayal, revenge, and other characteristics that might seem corrupted, but are what makes us human. Plus, the military commanders in Star Trek are tactical retards, they can't command and fight. I can't help but laugh at their failure.

[Shogun]

I have read the books. And the dialogues make me want to bang my head against the wall. Story lines are basically same 'quality' as the films

Same with the tactical retards in Star Trek, which is what they call their "commanders" and "tactical geniuses". Republic Commandos series is very well written.

[Shogun]

what personal life?! The go about their so-called "personal life" as if they have been programed with basic behavioral commands gimme a god damn break. There's more charcter development and interpersonal content in Star Trek than you can shake a stick at

I told you read some of the better books, instead of the crappy ones. Star Trek and character development doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence.

[Shogun]

The reasons you two listed really explains why Star Wars have a lot bigger fanbase then Star Trek. Trekkies are outdated, its an new era, adapt to it.

[Apocalypse2001]

What intellect are you talking about? Anyways, Star Trek society is too unrealistic. In Star Wars, they have greed, corruption, betrayal, revenge, and other characteristics that might seem corrupted, but are what makes us human. Plus, the military commanders in Star Trek are tactical retards, they can't command and fight. I can't help but laugh at their failure.

You talk and talk, but only bullshit still comes out your mouth. You are only refering to Federation personnel. Jem Hadar, Klingons, Breen, etc you conviniently forgot the rest of the races.
Oh yeah some tactical geniuses the SW commanders are: Shoot enough times and hope to hit something.

Same with the tactical retards in Star Trek, which is what they call their "commanders" and "tactical geniuses". Republic Commandos series is very well written.

Yeah well there's more smelling piles of dog shit written about SW, and once in a blue moon there a story that's slightly less smelly. You can't write quality with 2 dimentional characters.

The reasons you two listed really explains why Star Wars have a lot bigger fanbase then Star Trek. Trekkies are outdated, its an new era, adapt to it.

what outdated?! you people keep harping on WAR WAR WAR and commandos. You keep talking about war stories till it comes out your asses. At least ST offers plausibble hope for the future. And believe me, if ANYTHING is outdated it's your George Bush star WARS universe.

[Nexarc]

i don't know how much star wars you saw,but it doesn't have only war base
tech.It also has medicine (bacta),communication(live communication across the galaxy)transport (speeders and air speeders) and entertainment!

Starfleet Medical has hyposprays (which have real life but more bulky counterparts), skin/tissue regeneraters, muscular stimulators and countless cures and medications within their medical bases. Both ST and SW communication use a massive network of relay stations and beacons to get their messages through (SW only has a larger network which not that impressive),matter transporters, hover cars/trains (seen in background) and warp-capable shuttles cover planetary transport. Trek also has the (in)famous holodeck as in universe entertainment.

you just paid attention only to the war tech.
any advance civilization will need and will have advance war technology.
it would be the nature of sentience to have them; to fell safe.

and you really are just ignorant to the fact that SW has an epic plot,epic EVERYTHING!
A generic plot of an epic. Only the setting is new.

I used to like SW for its characters and their development over the series. The storyline itself is rather generic but the its space-fantasy setting is really what captivated most people.

Wars has a better storyline. Trek gets reppetitive.

Trek has gone through 5 television series, 11 movies and this is only the canon universe. The expanded universe is much more massive covering tech manuels, novels, resource books and the animated series. Excuse me if they haven't found new plots they haven't already covered.

In Star Wars, they people actually have a personal life, unlike the people *cough*drones*cough* in Star Trek.

In the movies and in the shows, character development, yes, personal lives, no.
If talking about the fans, I have seen ST fans with better and more lives than most SW fans.

The books count as part of the Star Wars universe. Read the books then make judgments.

Which range from lower canon to non-canon according to the accepted canon policy. From higher to lower canon the importance is the movies, then televisied specials and shows, books and novels, then noncanon. If anything contradicts the movies (which happens more than you think) or something from a higher canon level, it is disregarded and wrong. Check the canon level of your information before making your judgements.

[Nexarc]

I told you read some of the better books, instead of the crappy ones. Star Trek and character development doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence.

Character development is what made ST so successful in the first place when the show wasn't being totally driven by plot. Some of the best episodes of modern trek was devoted on character conflict and development.

What intellect are you talking about? Anyways, Star Trek society is too unrealistic. In Star Wars, they have greed, corruption, betrayal, revenge, and other characteristics that might seem corrupted, but are what makes us human. Plus, the military commanders in Star Trek are tactical retards, they can't command and fight. I can't help but laugh at their failure.

Intellect I can give you in some areas considering the countless technobabble. However trek already covered greed corruption, etc, etc, in various episodes if you actually paid attention.

The reasons you two listed really explains why Star Wars have a lot bigger fanbase then Star Trek. Trekkies are outdated, its an new era, adapt to it.

The Trek Fandom is the most powerful and influential fanbase as far as I am aware of. They have become many famous scientists and role models and have set the standards for other fandoms elsewhere. Trekkies and Trekkers are the first in recorded history to dress up as characters at conventions and write their own stories.
In the most famous moment of ST fandom, a letter writting campaign caused the US President to rename the first test shuttle after the starship Enterprise. Since then, NASA has made countless references overt and subtle to Trek and used ST actors to inspire more astronauts. The only reason they seem outdated and boring by todays standards is because they themselves are the ones who made them. A larger fanbase means nothing if they haven't done anything as impressive as this fanbase.

Same with the tactical retards in Star Trek, which is what they call their "commanders" and "tactical geniuses". Republic Commandos series is very well written.

Most Starfleet officers are not dedicated soldiers but scientists and diplomats. Trek isn't about war or battle but exploration and developing yourself. Comparing a show about a near utopian society to one fraught with war in regards to military tactics and battles is kind of useless if you ask me.

[Nexarc]

Almost forgot. Today's fandoms all care only about glorious battles and violence. This is also another reason why ST and its fans are ridiculed as they are not as aggressive to most modern viewers. Violence is against what ST believes in so it is difficult for the show and the fans to adapt to this new era of violence and war.

[Apocalypse2001]

I couldn't have said it better than Nexarc

[Apocalypse2001]

Almost forgot. Today's fandoms all care only about glorious battles and violence. This is also another reason why ST and its fans are ridiculed as they are not as aggressive to most modern viewers. Violence is against what ST believes in so it is difficult for the show and the fans to adapt to this new era of violence and war.

And not only. They can't adapt because they don't WANT to adapt. Which goes to show you how much more progress ST fans have made

[George1]

You talk and talk, but only bullshit still comes out your mouth. You are only refering to Federation personnel. Jem Hadar, Klingons, Breen, etc you conviniently forgot the rest of the races.
Oh yeah some tactical geniuses the SW commanders are: Shoot enough times and hope to hit something.

jem hadar- stupid!
i newer saw them using other tactics.they always use the same thing over
and over again:mass fighting.
Klingon-Morons!
they drop they'll phasers for swords,effectively every time they make a boarding action.
Breen-YES. they could be consider more smart than the Jem Hadar and klingon combined,they attacked earth,but they are not geniuses.
and for this matter,SW commanders DON'T fight,you loser.
those are storm troopers,clone troopers etc,that are obviously better than
trek fighters.

Yeah well there's more smelling piles of dog shit written about SW, and once in a blue moon there a story that's slightly less smelly. You can't write quality with 2 dimentional characters.

what the fuck are you talking about?

what outdated?! you people keep harping on WAR WAR WAR and commandos. You keep talking about war stories till it comes out your asses. At least ST offers plausible hope for the future. And believe me, if ANYTHING is outdated it's your George Bush star WARS universe.

plausible?that's dump with a large D!
if you think some bullshit like stories in ST are plausible,you lost you'll brain,
and now i know why you can't understand.
At least WE talk about war,because WAR WAR WAR is a completely natural thing,that only morons try to deny.

in star trek,the feds all try to become peaceful,when they don't realize that
peaceful persons are always the first to be oppressed.
It's a thing know from antiquity,and in Star Wars, Alderaan was peaceful,
before it got whipped out,Naboo was peaceful,before it was invaded,
Utapau was peaceful,before it got conquered by the CIS. etc.
if SW would be to invade ST,the first thing to do would be to invade the feds,
the easiest prey in Sci Fi.

and you are outdated,because last time when i checked, there were more
fans for SW than for ST.get up to reality.

[George1]

Character development is what made ST so successful in the first place when the show wasn't being totally driven by plot. Some of the best episodes of modern trek was devoted on character conflict and development.

the "character development" is not so nice in ST.

Intellect I can give you in some areas considering the countless technobabble. However trek already covered greed corruption, etc, etc, in various episodes if you actually paid attention.

i did,and they were just a few,which is not realistic.

The Trek Fandom is the most powerful and influential fanbase as far as I am aware of. They have become many famous scientists and role models and have set the standards for other fandoms elsewhere. Trekkies and Trekkers are the first in recorded history to dress up as characters at conventions and write their own stories.
In the most famous moment of ST fandom, a letter writting campaign caused the US President to rename the first test shuttle after the starship Enterprise. Since then, NASA has made countless references overt and subtle to Trek and used ST actors to inspire more astronauts. The only reason they seem outdated and boring by todays standards is because they themselves are the ones who made them. A larger fanbase means nothing if they haven't done anything as impressive as this fanbase.

It dosen't matter they were the first,they are no longer the most popular.
what,you think others wouldn't do it if some people from the 60's haven't
done it? give me a brake!
the shuttle enterprise was name so because of the same reason the star ship enterprise was name so: it is a popular name for a new kind of ship,for
hundreds of years,dating back to the British Navy.

Most Starfleet officers are not dedicated soldiers but scientists and diplomats. Trek isn't about war or battle but exploration and developing yourself. Comparing a show about a near utopian society to one fraught with war in regards to military tactics and battles is kind of useless if you ask me.

star ships shouldn't be managed by scientists and diplomats,but by specialized crew.The science should be let to the scientists,diplomacy to
the diplomats,and ship piloting to ship pilots.[/QUOTE]

exploration can be done without a ship full of scientists and diplomats.
only stupids need a SciFi show to "develop" himself.You can do that without
trek.
the "Utopian society" is extremely unrealistic. it is in the human nature to believe in this stuff,but believing doesn't make it realistic.
if you want to make something like that,with out war and military tactics,
look realistic,then you simply don't put them in the show.

[George1]

Almost forgot. Today's fandoms all care only about glorious battles and violence. This is also another reason why ST and its fans are ridiculed as they are not as aggressive to most modern viewers. Violence is against what ST believes in so it is difficult for the show and the fans to adapt to this new era of violence and war.

emm.no,ST and its fans are ridiculed because 99% of them think they are somehow superior to other SciFi series and they'll fans because they are pacifist.

[Apocalypse2001]

the "character development" is not so nice in ST.

It dosen't matter they were the first,they are no longer the most popular.
what,you think others wouldn't do it if some people from the 60's haven't
done it? give me a brake!
the shuttle enterprise was name so because of the same reason the star ship enterprise was name so: it is a popular name for a new kind of ship,for
hundreds of years,dating back to the British Navy.


star ships shouldn't be managed by scientists and diplomats, but by specialized crew.The science should be let to the scientists,diplomacy to
the diplomats,and ship piloting to ship pilots.


exploration can be done without a ship full of scientists and diplomats.
only stupids need a SciFi show to "develop" himself.You can do that without
trek.
the "Utopian society" is extremely unrealistic. it is in the human nature to believe in this stuff,but believing doesn't make it realistic.
if you want to make something like that,with out war and military tactics,
look realistic,then you simply don't put them in the show.

duh, no shit. The Federation is comparable to the Navy. Hence terms like 'ship' and 'admiral'. The Klingons to Spartans, the Romulans to Romans, etc etc.

well at least they are well rounded and able to multitask. Unlike SW characters. and it's not only scientists; they DO have crews for each sections that DO specialize. WAKE UP!! If the ships only had skeleton crews it would be pointless!

oh really?? exploration can be done without diplomats??? So what, your idea of meeting other species and communicating with them is 'shoot first and send flowers later'????? WAIT! don't answer that

[Apocalypse2001]

the "character development" is not so nice in ST.


i did,and they were just a few,which is not realistic.



It dosen't matter they were the first,they are no longer the most popular.
what,you think others wouldn't do it if some people from the 60's haven't
done it? give me a brake!
the shuttle enterprise was name so because of the same reason the star ship enterprise was name so: it is a popular name for a new kind of ship,for
hundreds of years,dating back to the British Navy.




star ships shouldn't be managed by scientists and diplomats,but by specialized crew.The science should be let to the scientists,diplomacy to
the diplomats,and ship piloting to ship pilots.

duh, no shit. The Federation is comparable to the Navy. Hence terms like 'ship' and 'admiral'. The Klingons to Spartans, the Romulans to Romans, etc etc.

well at least they are well rounded and able to multitask. Unlike SW characters. and it's not only scientists; they DO have crews for each sections that DO specialize. WAKE UP!! If the ships only had skeleton crews it would be pointless!

(by George1) "exploration can be done without a ship full of scientists and diplomats.
only stupids need a SciFi show to "develop" himself.You can do that without
trek.
the "Utopian society" is extremely unrealistic. it is in the human nature to believe in this stuff,but believing doesn't make it realistic.
if you want to make something like that,with out war and military tactics,
look realistic,then you simply don't put them in the show." [/QUOTE]

oh really?? exploration can be done without diplomats??? So what, your idea of meeting other species and communicating with them is 'shoot first and send flowers later'????? WAIT! don't answer that

[George1]

commandos not commanders. First of all the Jem Hadar don't eat, don't sleep, and are continuously on the offensive. Not like the puny SW clones that need the opposite of that.

well,how intelligent of you to think this.then why were them defeated by
low brain hippies?

At least the Klingons know what REAL weapons are. Not shooting someone from far away, like cowards.
The simple fact that you say "trek fighters" shows that you don't know what the hell you are talking about!!
The humans in ST KNOW how to fight, but they only fight as a last resorts! not like the barbarians in SW who always use simple-minded war as an excuse.

hahahah,for your information, a battle is not a fucking game where you can
play fair.It's either win,or DEATH...or worse!
In SW,they do fight as a last resorts, and they know it's wrong.
wow,barbarians! do you even know what that means?it means "Non-Greek"
and it's use by pathetic bucket heads like you who,again,think themselves
superior!

And the easiest pray, as you say, in SW, would be the junk you call technology in SW. And the easiest pray would be anybody that uses war, mindlessly. Like in the SW, duh!
Well if you want to be a barbarian and be a war-whore, go ahead. The rest of us evolved people know better.

so you think you evolve by making others barbarians ,abandoning reality and
become peaceful? again,you are pathetic,like 99 %, of ST fanon.

[Apocalypse2001]

well,how intelligent of you to think this.then why were them defeated by
low brain hippies?

hahahah,for your information, a battle is not a fucking game where you can
play fair.It's either win,or DEATH...or worse!
In SW,they do fight as a last resorts, and they know it's wrong.
wow,barbarians! do you even know what that means?it means "Non-Greek"
and it's use by pathetic bucket heads like you who,again,think themselves
superior!


so you think you evolve by making others barbarians ,abandoning reality and
become peaceful? again,you are pathetic,like 99 %, of ST fanon.

what hippies?!? are you smoking weed or something?!

There ARE rules of engagement. So BLOW ME!
No. They never show that they think it's "wrong".
And don't presume to know Greek better than I. Because in this case I AM SUPERIOR to you. Because I am Greek and I know the language better than you do. And the auditory expression (not word) 'barbarian' comes from an auditory description of the monotonous sound of other languages (that are not Greek.) So bite me
And if are as educated as you think you are, you would know that auditory description has more depth to it's meaning. Like every other Greek word

[George1]

duh, no shit. The Federation is comparable to the Navy. Hence terms like 'ship' and 'admiral'. The Klingons to Spartans, the Romulans to Romans, etc etc.

SPARTANS? ROMANS?
No they aren't!You need brilliant tactics for that,and both Romulans and klingons were tactical morons.The Klingon DROP they'll weapons.The Romulans
attacked the Founder Homeword and started a war.

well at least they are well rounded and able to multitask. Unlike SW characters. and it's not only scientists; they DO have crews for each sections that DO specialize. WAKE UP!! If the ships only had skeleton crews it would be pointless!

i am waked up,but apparently you aren't.I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

(by George1) "exploration can be done without a ship full of scientists and diplomats.
only stupids need a SciFi show to "develop" himself.You can do that without
trek.
the "Utopian society" is extremely unrealistic. it is in the human nature to believe in this stuff,but believing doesn't make it realistic.
if you want to make something like that,with out war and military tactics,
look realistic,then you simply don't put them in the show."

oh really?? exploration can be done without diplomats??? So what, your idea of meeting other species and communicating with them is 'shoot first and send flowers later'????? WAIT! don't answer that

how about...LINGUISTS? how about...military personal trained for fist contacts? but of course,you never think outside the closed box of a pore
minded trekkie!

[George1]

what hippies?!? are you smoking weed or something?!

There ARE rules of engagement. So BLOW ME!
No. They never show that they think it's "wrong".
And don't presume to know Greek better than I. Because in this case I AM SUPERIOR to you. Because I am Greek and I know the language better than you do. And the auditory expression (not word) 'barbarian' comes from an auditory description of the monotonous sound of other languages (that are not Greek.) So bite me
And if are as educated as you think you are, you would know that auditory description has more depth to it's meaning. Like every other Greek word

from Wikipedia,

The term originates in the ancient Greek civilization, meaning "anyone who is not Greek".

you ARE SUPERIOR?
then what the fuck are you doing HERE!? loser!

[George1]

what hippies?!? are you smoking weed or something?!

YES,you are all peace loving hippies!
You don't need to smoke to be a hippie!
HIPPIE!