Star Wars vs Star Trek

[George1]

The First argument -

The Borg. A single borg drone on Coruscant would have the entire planet assimilated within the week. Especially since there's no overarching police authority that would be familiar with the threat the borg are. They'd dismiss it as "underground gangs taking over the lower city" until the Senate is converted into a recharging station.

don't make me laugh! one drone vs the coruscant defense?
Coruscant has a PLANETARY SHIELD capable of withstanding months of
planetary bombardment and block any transporter.
And the second the borg ship exits warp the Coruscant defense fleet will
open fire,since they will know the ship is coming thanks to they'll better sensors which are not primitive subspace base,and PULVERIZE IT!

[Apocalypse2001]

don't make me laugh! one drone vs the coruscant defense?
Coruscant has a PLANETARY SHIELD capable of withstanding months of
planetary bombardment and block any transporter.
And the second the borg ship exits warp the Coruscant defense fleet will
open fire,since they will know the ship is coming thanks to they'll better sensors which are not primitive subspace base,and PULVERIZE IT!

the planetary shields are a joke...the Replicators could go through it like it was nothing. But since we aren't comparing Stargate to anything I'll use an example from ST: species 8472 can kick the Borg's ass along with anything else in the pitiful and brief SW universe.
But one thing everyone is forgetting (of course I haven't looked at the other few hundred posts) is the being in the episode "The Nth Degree" a being that collosal has no equivalent in the SW universe. But if we were to talk without mentioning god like beings, species 8472 is the most powerful race (dead or alive) in either universe. And they could make ANYBODY go crying to mommy.

[George1]

the planetary shields are a joke...the Replicators could go through it like it was nothing. But since we aren't comparing Stargate to anything I'll use an example from ST: species 8472 can kick the Borg's ass along with anything else in the pitiful and brief SW universe.
But one thing everyone is forgetting (of course I haven't looked at the other few hundred posts) is the being in the episode "The Nth Degree" a being that collosal has no equivalent in the SW universe. But if we were to talk without mentioning god like beings, species 8472 is the most powerful race (dead or alive) in either universe. And they could make ANYBODY go crying to mommy.

yes,the federation FIRST!!!
s 8472 was beaten by a single federation vessel,what could they do against
an entire armada of star destroyers, eventually even a death star?HUH?
they would be crush like a tiny bug that they are!
i would appreciate if you trekkies would stop mentioning god like being,
yes ,thank you!
and or you'll information,THE most powerful alien race in the universe is
not from star trek,not from star wars neither from stargate (the ancients DON'T mess with lower lifeforms,as don't you'll beloved Q).
THE most powerful alien race comes from Thirdspace,from Babylon 5!
they are BILLIONS of years old,older than the Ancients,older than any other
possible race except the Q,who don't count cuz they don't care about lower
life.
now,back to the subject!
S 8472 was beaten by a civilization (a communist civilization) that needs
YEARS just to cross a part of they'll galaxy!
that's pathetic!
got it?PATHETIC!
they wouldn't stand a chance against the Empire!nor the Republic!
not the Galactic Alliance!
you know why?cuz they'll pathetic! plain and simple!
YOU LOSE...AGAIN!

[TW Scott]

the planetary shields are a joke...the Replicators could go through it like it was nothing. But since we aren't comparing Stargate to anything I'll use an example from ST: species 8472 can kick the Borg's ass along with anything else in the pitiful and brief SW universe.
But one thing everyone is forgetting (of course I haven't looked at the other few hundred posts) is the being in the episode "The Nth Degree" a being that collosal has no equivalent in the SW universe. But if we were to talk without mentioning god like beings, species 8472 is the most powerful race (dead or alive) in either universe. And they could make ANYBODY go crying to mommy.

Are you kidding? They were not all the powerful. Borg could not resist them becuase they could not assimilate them. Voyager was able to defeat them and send them packing. Not to mention being able to take a hit full on shields with no problem. Now the same cannot be said of the Voyager surviving a hit form a Heavy Turbolaser. After all an Intrepid starships does not have the output of a Galaxy class, and the Galaxy class and a Heavy Turbolaser output is 50 times the output of a GCS warp Core.

[Apocalypse2001]

yes,the federation FIRST!!!
s 8472 was beaten by a single federation vessel,what could they do against
an entire armada of star destroyers, eventually even a death star?HUH?
they would be crush like a tiny bug that they are!
i would appreciate if you trekkies would stop mentioning god like being,
yes ,thank you!
and or you'll information,THE most powerful alien race in the universe is
not from star trek,not from star wars neither from stargate (the ancients DON'T mess with lower lifeforms,as don't you'll beloved Q).
THE most powerful alien race comes from Thirdspace,from Babylon 5!
they are BILLIONS of years old,older than the Ancients,older than any other
possible race except the Q,who don't count cuz they don't care about lower
life.
now,back to the subject!
S 8472 was beaten by a civilization (a communist civilization) that needs
YEARS just to cross a part of they'll galaxy!
that's pathetic!
got it?PATHETIC!
they wouldn't stand a chance against the Empire!nor the Republic!
not the Galactic Alliance!
you know why?cuz they'll pathetic! plain and simple!
YOU LOSE...AGAIN!

no I don't lose again. You idiots jump to conclusions waaaaaay too easily. You're forgetting how much damage species 8472 can do!
The USS Voyager was able to hold it's own ONLY because it also had alien technology that it 'assimilated'.
But in all fairness the Borg are the only race that can adapt to anything. Anybody in ANY universe can be brought to it's knees by the Borg given enough time.
Well that race from Babylon 5 uses pathogens for the most part. The Borg could adapt and destroy them in no time. And it's NOT about how old they are it's about their ABILITIES!! Think of how many races the Borg have wiped out.....then you will understand that they are the ONLY thing in ANY sci-fi universe that can survive under ANY circumstance. Look at the humans in Stargate: given enough time, they were able to adapt and bring down sooooo many enemies. The Borg do the same thing times 1000. So don't give me that shit about Star Wars technology. It's pathetic.
It's about how you ADAPT. PERIOD!!
Oh and before I can forget the Replicators are similar. Imagine, Borg and Replicators. Nuff said.

[George1]

no I don't lose again. You idiots jump to conclusions waaaaaay too easily. You're forgetting how much damage species 8472 can do!
The USS Voyager was able to hold it's own ONLY because it also had alien technology that it 'assimilated'.
But in all fairness the Borg are the only race that can adapt to anything. Anybody in ANY universe can be brought to it's knees by the Borg given enough time.
Well that race from Babylon 5 uses pathogens for the most part. The Borg could adapt and destroy them in no time. And it's NOT about how old they are it's about their ABILITIES!! Think of how many races the Borg have wiped out.....then you will understand that they are the ONLY thing in ANY sci-fi universe that can survive under ANY circumstance. Look at the humans in Stargate: given enough time, they were able to adapt and bring down sooooo many enemies. The Borg do the same thing times 1000. So don't give me that shit about Star Wars technology. It's pathetic.
It's about how you ADAPT. PERIOD!!
Oh and before I can forget the Replicators are similar. Imagine, Borg and Replicators. Nuff said.

here we go again!
how many times do i need to explain this:
to adapt,you need TIME!Time that NO fool would give to the Borg.
a large,coordinate attack on all Borg holdings would render the Borg extinct
in a matter of months.
i don't give a shit about how the Borg can adapt,they can adapt only to
pathetic star trek weapons who use predictable frequencies.
Star Wars weapons DON'T!
a phaser or a fancy trek weapon ALWAYS relay on frequencies,and that's
why the borg always adapted.They would have no such chance with a non-frequency plasma-energy base turbolaser.
as for what i have to say about the Replicators,they are not similar to the Borg.The Borg are a race off CYBORGS,organic and mechanic.The Replicators are solely robotic.Borg have fancy shields,Replicators don't.
Borg vessels were not so easily destroyed by weapons.Replicator vessels
would absorb any and all energy base weapon.Borg simply assimilate new technologies,the Replicators COPY it.
oh,and the Borg happen to defeat most WEAKER species,not a same level
species capable of trans warp.
YOU WERE WRONG WRONG AGAIN DUDE.

[George1]

no I don't lose again. You idiots jump to conclusions waaaaaay too easily. You're forgetting how much damage species 8472 can do!
The USS Voyager was able to hold it's own ONLY because it also had alien technology that it 'assimilated'.
But in all fairness the Borg are the only race that can adapt to anything. Anybody in ANY universe can be brought to it's knees by the Borg given enough time.
Well that race from Babylon 5 uses pathogens for the most part. The Borg could adapt and destroy them in no time. And it's NOT about how old they are it's about their ABILITIES!! Think of how many races the Borg have wiped out.....then you will understand that they are the ONLY thing in ANY sci-fi universe that can survive under ANY circumstance. Look at the humans in Stargate: given enough time, they were able to adapt and bring down sooooo many enemies. The Borg do the same thing times 1000. So don't give me that shit about Star Wars technology. It's pathetic.
It's about how you ADAPT. PERIOD!!
Oh and before I can forget the Replicators are similar. Imagine, Borg and Replicators. Nuff said.

and just to make things clear,what race in B5 are you mentioning?
cuz is not the Thirdspace aliens,they don't use 'pathogens',watch the freking movie.

[Apocalypse2001]

and just to make things clear,what race in B5 are you mentioning?
cuz is not the Thirdspace aliens,they don't use 'pathogens',watch the freking movie.

Really it's not the Thirdspace aliens?????!! They controlled a group of Vorlons in the film!!!! the Vorlons have ALWAYS used pathogens!! among other things

[George1]

Really it's not the Thirdspace aliens?????!! They controlled a group of Vorlons in the film!!!! the Vorlons have ALWAYS used pathogens!! among other things

they don't control the Vorlons.they did control many people on board B5,but
NO VORLON. they didn't use pathogens,but some sort of very hard armor and
a weapon that seamed to fire plasma.
and to make a point about how strong they are,they almost defeated the Vorlons,and the only reason they were defeated is because the artifact was
shut down (destroyed in the movie).
if it wasn't for that....goodbye life.

[Apocalypse2001]

they don't control the Vorlons.they did control many people on board B5,but
NO VORLON. they didn't use pathogens,but some sort of very hard armor and
a weapon that seamed to fire plasma.
and to make a point about how strong they are,they almost defeated the Vorlons,and the only reason they were defeated is because the artifact was
shut down (destroyed in the movie).
if it wasn't for that....goodbye life.

of course they did! Those aliens controlled a small group of Vorlons! it's even in the summary for the film!
"The ensuing battle ended with a group of Vorlons controlled by the Thirdspace Aliens capturing the artifact and jettisoning it into hyperspace, in hopes that it might one day be reawakened."

[Shogun]

I am back, so what did I miss? I will try to catch up.

Anyways, to clarify things, even though I am going for the Star Wars side I have to say something about Courscant's planetary shield. It is not invincible. The CIS sent an armada and put up a really good fight against the Republic. Remember, it is two Star Wars organizations against each other that is almost evenly matched at least militarily. Its not the shields that are the most devastating, its the defense stations in orbit around Courscant and the massive armada associated with it. The space around Courscant ( At least during the Battle of Courscant ) is literally dotted with massive ships. Courscant packs a heavy punch. Also I have never seen a commander in Star Trek come up with any brilliant tactics that I would classify as an awesome tactic. There are many tactical commanders in the Republic and the Empire that are very good at their trade. Take a look at the facts this way: Have the Borg explored/conqured the greater majority ( like 90% ) of Milky Way? Have Species 8472 did that? Have the Federation did that ( If they did, there will be no story )? Have the Republic and the Empire did that with their own galaxy? Sure as hell they did, and the Republic held on to it for many, many centuries. That is saying something about their effectiveness and superiority. The Empire have communications systems and their hyperdrive make their Federation counterparts also seem like toys. The Red Baron's rule on aerial combat is to get in a superior position and you will win the fight, the Art of War also places emphasis on communications and speed. In fact, that is why the CIA invented the Internet, the US Army use helicopters for deployment, the Pussians build long railroads and telegraph lines before invading Austria, and both sides of the American Civil War built great railroads.

[fedr808]

I am back, so what did I miss? I will try to catch up.

Anyways, to clarify things, even though I am going for the Star Wars side I have to say something about Courscant's planetary shield. It is not invincible. The CIS sent an armada and put up a really good fight against the Republic. Remember, it is two Star Wars organizations against each other that is almost evenly matched at least militarily. Its not the shields that are the most devastating, its the defense stations in orbit around Courscant and the massive armada associated with it. The space around Courscant ( At least during the Battle of Courscant ) is literally dotted with massive ships. Courscant packs a heavy punch. Also I have never seen a commander in Star Trek come up with any brilliant tactics that I would classify as an awesome tactic. There are many tactical commanders in the Republic and the Empire that are very good at their trade. Take a look at the facts this way: Have the Borg explored/conqured the greater majority ( like 90% ) of Milky Way? Have Species 8472 did that? Have the Federation did that ( If they did, there will be no story )? Have the Republic and the Empire did that with their own galaxy? Sure as hell they did, and the Republic held on to it for many, many centuries. That is saying something about their effectiveness and superiority. The Empire have communications systems and their hyperdrive make their Federation counterparts also seem like toys. The Red Baron's rule on aerial combat is to get in a superior position and you will win the fight, the Art of War also places emphasis on communications and speed. In fact, that is why the CIA invented the Internet, the US Army use helicopters for deployment, the Pussians build long railroads and telegraph lines before invading Austria, and both sides of the American Civil War built great railroads.

Well because of what happened february 2nd, the federation wins, hands down.

The reason is star trek online was released and the canon along with it came along.

And it is dam epic.

ie, the feds regularly use transwarp conduits, you can go from point to to point b in seconds....anywhere. The warp drives are also faster, allowing travel across the galaxy to take a matter of minutes.

Oh and the larger cruisers carry tetryon, polaron, and even antiproton beams standard.

An old anti proton beam from 40 years before this time could do 400 gigawatts of energy no problem. It wouldnt be a jump that over 40-50 years that number has jumped to 500-600 gigawatts.

Besides the fact that star wars shields still cannot block matter effectively, and while they may be more effective (debateable) against energy than star trek shields. Against solid matter like anti protons they leave much to be desired.

[Apocalypse2001]

Well because of what happened february 2nd, the federation wins, hands down.

The reason is star trek online was released and the canon along with it came along.

And it is dam epic.

ie, the feds regularly use transwarp conduits, you can go from point to to point b in seconds....anywhere. The warp drives are also faster, allowing travel across the galaxy to take a matter of minutes.

Oh and the larger cruisers carry tetryon, polaron, and even antiproton beams standard.

An old anti proton beam from 40 years before this time could do 400 gigawatts of energy no problem. It wouldnt be a jump that over 40-50 years that number has jumped to 500-600 gigawatts.

Besides the fact that star wars shields still cannot block matter effectively, and while they may be more effective (debateable) against energy than star trek shields. Against solid matter like anti protons they leave much to be desired.

you are absolutely right Thank God they included the technology that Voyager discovered but what about the other stuff like the Borg sensors the armor plating...are they included?

[fedr808]

you are absolutely right Thank God they included the technology that Voyager discovered but what about the other stuff like the Borg sensors the armor plating...are they included?

Well there are some awesome advents.

For one thing there is the personal shield generator, everyone in star trek now has personal regenerating shields. Of course there are better ones the higher ranked an officer is.

There is also the advent of energy absorbing body armour and even body armour that can increase one's strength.


There are also some pretty cool sensors, the ones on science ships can actually pinpoint specific weaknesses in an enemy ship's shields or hull and direct friendly fire onto that area with pinpoint accuracy.

The amount of new gear is utterly amazing.

[George1]

Well there are some awesome advents.

For one thing there is the personal shield generator, everyone in star trek now has personal regenerating shields. Of course there are better ones the higher ranked an officer is.

There is also the advent of energy absorbing body armour and even body armour that can increase one's strength.


There are also some pretty cool sensors, the ones on science ships can actually pinpoint specific weaknesses in an enemy ship's shields or hull and direct friendly fire onto that area with pinpoint accuracy.

The amount of new gear is utterly amazing.

you guys are talking about games now,games DON'T count!lol.

[George1]

Well because of what happened february 2nd, the federation wins, hands down.

The reason is star trek online was released and the canon along with it came along.

And it is dam epic.

ie, the feds regularly use transwarp conduits, you can go from point to to point b in seconds....anywhere. The warp drives are also faster, allowing travel across the galaxy to take a matter of minutes.

Oh and the larger cruisers carry tetryon, polaron, and even antiproton beams standard.

An old anti proton beam from 40 years before this time could do 400 gigawatts of energy no problem. It wouldnt be a jump that over 40-50 years that number has jumped to 500-600 gigawatts.

Besides the fact that star wars shields still cannot block matter effectively, and while they may be more effective (debateable) against energy than star trek shields. Against solid matter like anti protons they leave much to be desired.

what the shit are "tetryon and polaron"?
can't you people speak like normal people without using pseudoscience
bullshit?
i like science,and what you are talking and what star trek is about is NOT
science.That's a fact proven many,one examples being the fact that they
don't follow the scientific method,in other words, when someone seamed to
think he made a discovery,everybody jumps in without thinking about
TESTING it first.
one of many examples is when they tested some fancy thing-i-don't-remember-its-name supposed to transport a ship through warp along some
kind of wave,and without TESTING it first on an NON-MANED ship twords
an NON-INHABITED planet,they simply test it on a fully maned ship and launch it towards an inhabited colony...of course,everything goes wrong,
and thousands are almost killed.WOW,how scientific.
that's a thing that NO REAL SCIENTIST would do; risking the life of people
to prove something never ever before tested.
PLEASE,if you want to argue about something,PLEASE prove the so called
"star trek is superior" with SCIENTIFIC arguments.
like this:

Phasers are inconsistent.
when fired on a person,they seam to "evaporate" them.
this is impossible, because such a thing would render they'll mass in a cloud
of incandescent vapor that would kill everyone in the room.
some argue they are disintegrated,but this is also inconsistent; such a thing
would also create a incandescent vapor cloud that would kill everyone in the room.Others have gone as far as saying they'll atoms are disintegrated and
transform in energy,but such a thing would trigger a freaking nuclear explosion;an 80 kg adult human male would have more energy in his body ,in
the form of matter,than the Hiroshima bomb.
as such, i can only conclude that a phaser is a very inconsistent and
non realistic weapon,with no real application.
i would prefer a Beretta 3032 Tomcat or a revolver,they wold inflict more damage on the target and would be far more psychological deadly than a
ray gun.

[George1]

of course they did! Those aliens controlled a small group of Vorlons! it's even in the summary for the film!
"The ensuing battle ended with a group of Vorlons controlled by the Thirdspace Aliens capturing the artifact and jettisoning it into hyperspace, in hopes that it might one day be reawakened."

that was in the past,when the Vorlons were not as advance as when the events
of the movie happen.
when the movie is set,the vorlons have already departed the Rim along with
the rest of the First Ones.
the Thirdspace Aliens were far more powerful than the Vorlons or any other
first one,the only reason why they were defeated is because both times when they tried to invade,the Artifact was closed before they'll main ships
came through.the second time,destroyed.

[fedr808]

what the shit are "tetryon and polaron"?
can't you people speak like normal people without using pseudoscience
bullshit?
i like science,and what you are talking and what star trek is about is NOT
science.That's a fact proven many,one examples being the fact that they
don't follow the scientific method,in other words, when someone seamed to
think he made a discovery,everybody jumps in without thinking about
TESTING it first.
one of many examples is when they tested some fancy thing-i-don't-remember-its-name supposed to transport a ship through warp along some
kind of wave,and without TESTING it first on an NON-MANED ship twords
an NON-INHABITED planet,they simply test it on a fully maned ship and launch it towards an inhabited colony...of course,everything goes wrong,
and thousands are almost killed.WOW,how scientific.
that's a thing that NO REAL SCIENTIST would do; risking the life of people
to prove something never ever before tested.
PLEASE,if you want to argue about something,PLEASE prove the so called
"star trek is superior" with SCIENTIFIC arguments.
like this:

Phasers are inconsistent.
when fired on a person,they seam to "evaporate" them.
this is impossible, because such a thing would render they'll mass in a cloud
of incandescent vapor that would kill everyone in the room.
some argue they are disintegrated,but this is also inconsistent; such a thing
would also create a incandescent vapor cloud that would kill everyone in the room.Others have gone as far as saying they'll atoms are disintegrated and
transform in energy,but such a thing would trigger a freaking nuclear explosion;an 80 kg adult human male would have more energy in his body ,in
the form of matter,than the Hiroshima bomb.
as such, i can only conclude that a phaser is a very inconsistent and
non realistic weapon,with no real application.
i would prefer a Beretta 3032 Tomcat or a revolver,they wold inflict more damage on the target and would be far more psychological deadly than a
ray gun.

George, if you want to get into a debate of astro physics, I am still pretty sure I could beat you.

But the fact is that this is fiction.

In case you didnt know "fiction" is not real. What did you write an angry letter to J.K. Rolling yelling at her that there is no such thing as magic?

Second off, if you want to watch some idiotic show where 10 hours is testing, and 5 minutes as actual enjoyable action than be my guest. But the fact is there would be no damn point.

Second off, Im pretty damn sure a beretta wouldnt even compare to a phaser. But than again its pretty sad that you are trying to compare modern weapons with guns that dont even exist....

this is a Polaron:

A polaron is a quasiparticle composed of a charge and its accompanying polarization field. A slow moving electron in a dielectric crystal, interacting with lattice ions through long-range forces will permanently be surrounded by a region of lattice polarization and deformation caused by the moving electron. Moving through the crystal, the electron carries the lattice distortion with it, thus one speaks of a cloud of phonons accompanying the electron.

The resulting lattice polarization acts as a potential well that hinders the movements of the charge, thus decreasing its mobility. Polarons have spin, though two close-by polarons are spinless. The latter is called a bipolaron.

In materials science and chemistry, a polaron is formed when a charge within a molecular chain influences the local nuclear geometry, causing an attenuation (or even reversal) of nearby bond alternation amplitudes. This "excited state" possesses an energy level between the lower and upper bands.

The polaron, a fermionic quasiparticle, should not be confused with the polariton, a bosonic quasiparticle, corresponding, e.g., to a hybridized state between a photon and an optical phonon.

And next time do your own fact checking and dont make other people do it out of laziness.

[fedr808]

you guys are talking about games now,games DON'T count!lol.

It's canon now. So, yah it does.

[Skullkid]

what the hell is happening here? a Star Wars vs Star Trek, huh? Well im gonna have to root for Star Wars in this one.