Star Wars vs Star Trek

[fedr808]

Also - the Tyranids are doomed already Fedr... Trek can simply pour Deuterium on them - Deuterium disolves any and all ORGANIC compounds (as stated in Star Trek: First Contact)... and as it's more than plentiful in the Federation... yeah. LOL, I never thought of that before

True.... that would make a good weapon though the fed should use it more often.

But than again, its simply another adaptation till the tyranids shield it.

Also, I do not believe there is any way to weaponize it.

Even in a space fight the tyranids would win. The ships would be too small for the feds to hit all of them, and the larger ones have too much armor to destroy effectively, and the giant spore cloud would shield any ships inside from sensors.

[fedr808]

A fleet of Prometheus Class Warships all enhanced with Ablative Armor each carrying a legion of Borg tactical drones that are enhanced by ONE, the 29th century borg drone. Armed with Temporal Flux torpedoes armed with Quantum warheads.

Escorted by Species 8472 bioships, also with Ablative Armor.

Romulan and Klingon warships, also armed with Ablative Armor and Quantum Temporal Flux Torpedoes will be equipped with Interphase cloaking devices.

This will allow them to fly through the Death Star and rip the thing to shreds from the inside.

Q being a funny guy, he snaps his fingers and brings back the empire from extinction. ONly to become eradicated a second time by Star Trek.

Game Over Empire.

Also we have this rule that there can be no assumptions.

We cant assume that you will have temporal flux torpedos, or interphase cloaking devices (no matter how awesoem those things are)

Its jsut not fair to say that even though we have heard bare mentions of this weaponry that it is suddenly standard especially for trek.

You can only use things that were standard practice in the canon.

[fedr808]

A fleet of Prometheus Class Warships all enhanced with Ablative Armor each carrying a legion of Borg tactical drones that are enhanced by ONE, the 29th century borg drone. Armed with Temporal Flux torpedoes armed with Quantum warheads.

Escorted by Species 8472 bioships, also with Ablative Armor.

Romulan and Klingon warships, also armed with Ablative Armor and Quantum Temporal Flux Torpedoes will be equipped with Interphase cloaking devices.

This will allow them to fly through the Death Star and rip the thing to shreds from the inside.

Q being a funny guy, he snaps his fingers and brings back the empire from extinction. ONly to become eradicated a second time by Star Trek.

Game Over Empire.

I still gotta say, that 39,000 warships each from 2 kilometers all the way up to 8 kilometers long would kick ass.

And thats not including the 100,000 or so ships the imperial guard carry from 2km to 10 km in length.

And thats only two of the 12 major races in wh40k.

the space fleets in 40k would own sw and st. Just the sheer weaponry on the battlebarge (the 8 km ship) can destroy a planet in hours, and this is the STANDARD weaponry.

SW may have a battlestation the size of a moon, but the necrons (wh40k race) have a battleship the size of a PLANET. with neigh invincible shields.

[150dpi]

[QUOTE=TW Scott;2253949]
First of all you have to splice technology with the 8472 biomatter, not likely given theri paranoia. Secondly like before SW has no interest in fludic space thus, Speciaes 8472 would see the incursion of the Empire against the Borg and Federation as a blessing. [quote]

Remember this is an all out war, no warning for the Federation becuase the Empire would give non. Instantly Earth would be an asteroid belt, followed closly by Mars and then then the Empire wold start making offers surrender to the empire and keep your planet. How much of the Federation would stay?

This is Star Trek vs Star Wars. Not Empire vs Federation.

Star Trek universe includes Species 8472 and Q. Just like Star Wars universe include Jar Jar Binks! You cannot pick and choose which race your Star War forces can face in battle in this scenario.

If this is an all out war between an these two universe, Q and Species 8472 will obviously fight for the Star Trek side.

Technology in Star Wars universe is backwards. They are still using human gunners. How is this more advanced then star trek. And your explanation for that is equally hilarious.

But the great thing about human gunners is that the more eyes looking for a ship the more likely to find it.

You can't see anything cause we're cloaked. Your sensors can't aim your weapons, cause you still got Human Gunners. lol

[150dpi]

I still gotta say, that 39,000 warships each from 2 kilometers all the way up to 8 kilometers long would kick ass.

And thats not including the 100,000 or so ships the imperial guard carry from 2km to 10 km in length.

And thats only two of the 12 major races in wh40k.

the space fleets in 40k would own sw and st. Just the sheer weaponry on the battlebarge (the 8 km ship) can destroy a planet in hours, and this is the STANDARD weaponry.

SW may have a battlestation the size of a moon, but the necrons (wh40k race) have a battleship the size of a PLANET. with neigh invincible shields.

Thats fine. Like I said before, I know nothing of WH40k, so I can't respond to your comments. lol. This is a Star Trek vs Star Wars thread anyways.

[fedr808]

[QUOTE=150dpi;2254273][QUOTE=TW Scott;2253949]
First of all you have to splice technology with the 8472 biomatter, not likely given theri paranoia. Secondly like before SW has no interest in fludic space thus, Speciaes 8472 would see the incursion of the Empire against the Borg and Federation as a blessing.

This is Star Trek vs Star Wars. Not Empire vs Federation.

Star Trek universe includes Species 8472 and Q. Just like Star Wars universe include Jar Jar Binks! You cannot pick and choose which race your Star War forces can face in battle in this scenario.

If this is an all out war between an these two universe, Q and Species 8472 will obviously fight for the Star Trek side.

Technology in Star Wars universe is backwards. They are still using human gunners. How is this more advanced then star trek. And your explanation for that is equally hilarious.



You can't see shiet cause we're cloaked. Your sensors can't aim your weapons, cause you still got Human Gunners. lol

150

there are several unspoken rules we have made to keep this debate alive.

One is that you CANNOT use non standard tech, ie, quantom slipstream, sure its being tested but at the current second it does not exist so it is not fair to say that the feds have it because it is not finished yet so it wont count. And ablative armor is not allowed outside of the defiant which actually uses it standard

You cant use ablative armor on 8472 especially because there is no canon referance

So no assumptions just because they arent fair

Also, no Q, as dumb as this sound, the fact is that Q is omnipotant so we know it would beat the snot out of SW. So it really aint fair and it would be a thread killer. So really, no Q please.

[fedr808]

Thats fine. Like I said before, I know nothing of WH40k, so I can't respond to your comments. lol. This is a Star Trek vs Star Wars thread anyways.

ehhh, whatever.

[150dpi]

Also we have this rule that there can be no assumptions.

We cant assume that you will have temporal flux torpedos, or interphase cloaking devices (no matter how awesoem those things are)

Its jsut not fair to say that even though we have heard bare mentions of this weaponry that it is suddenly standard especially for trek.

You can only use things that were standard practice in the canon.

The Krenin fired off a couple of Temporal Flux torpedoes at Voyager which did not detonate. Seven of nine could easily copy it. Voyager's crew was able to get pass the Krenin;s temporal shielding so they know the fundamental principles of how it works.

Federation contains the R&D capacity to make it standard. Interphase Cloak is a device that theoretically can be mass produce with a replicator. Enterprise D proved it works by escaping an astroid.

Voyager's crew was able to outfit the hull with Ablative Armor without a ship dock and with whatever tools it had on the ship. I don't see how the federation can't duplicate this technology with all their other ships. Voyager went back to earth with it.

One is that you CANNOT use non standard tech, ie, quantom slipstream, sure its being tested but at the current second it does not exist so it is not fair to say that the feds have it because it is not finished yet so it wont count. And ablative armor is not allowed outside of the defiant which actually uses it standard.

R&D is what helped the Soviets from overcoming the Nazi war machine. The Soviets were able to develop faster and better tanks on the battlefield. Not allowing the Star Trek universe to use its R&D capablities, all of its races is a MAJOR handicap.

One of the major strong points of Star Trek universe is that they problem solve. Is not just about hammer vs a bigger hammer. Numbers vs more numbers like Star Wars. Often times, the Enterprise needs to outwit its enemies using technology.

[fedr808]

The Krenin fired off a couple of Temporal Flux torpedoes at Voyager which did not detonate. Seven of nine could easily copy it. Voyager's crew was able to get pass the Krenin;s temporal shielding so they know the fundamental principles of how it works.
Does not mean they could recreate it, and even if they can that would be in the future and future tech does not count.
Federation contains the R&D capacity to make it standard. Interphase Cloak is a device that theoretically can be mass produce with a replicator. Enterprise D proved it works by escaping an astroid.
Saw that episode, LOVED IT, but they got rid of it...so sad
Voyager's crew was able to outfit the hull with Ablative Armor without a ship dock and with whatever tools it had on the ship. I don't see how the federation can't duplicate this technology with all their other ships. Voyager went back to earth with it.future tech doesnt count

Future tech doesnt count, just too unfair

If we counted it this thread would hav ended on page 10 and thats not fun

[fedr808]

R&D is what helped the Soviets from overcoming the Nazi war machine. The Soviets were able to develop faster and better tanks on the battlefield. Not allowing the Star Trek universe to use its R&D capablities is a MAJOR handicap.

Faster yes, better....not really. Low armor, and low firepower. Good for numbers bad for quality

[150dpi]

Faster yes, better....not really. Low armor, and low firepower. Good for numbers bad for quality

What my point is, research and development is vital during times of war. By restricting the Star Trek universe from having new technologies, it is a critical handicap. R&D is a major advantage Star Trek has over Star Wars, do you agree?

[fedr808]

What my point is, research and development is vital during times of war. By restricting the Star Trek universe from having new technologies, it is a critical handicap. R&D is a major advantage Star Trek has over Star Wars, do you agree?

My point is that, you dont know what the feds might produce.

Its just not fair 150.

[Kittamaru]

And watch the captain swear as the temporal flux torpedoes trip off the temporal shielding that all SW ships have thanks to hyperdrive. Result nice fireworkd akin to the effect the Jupiter 2's torpedoes had against the Arachnids in Lost in Space.

Too bad that A) we have no proof of Wars ships having Temporal Shielding and B) We have nothing to say that even if they did, it would have ANY effect

First of all you have to splice technology with the 8472 biomatter, not likely given theri paranoia. Secondly like before SW has no interest in fludic space thus, Speciaes 8472 would see the incursion of the Empire against the Borg and Federation as a blessing.

Doesn't matter... it's ALL OF TREK vs ALL OF WARS you idiot.

Ah again temproal shielding, but also add in tractor beams as even phased cloaked ships are subject to artificial gravity.

Uhm, too bad your tractor beams aren't graviton based...

They might be able to fly inside byut any they fire while cloaked would remain phased long after it fet the Death Star.

Nope, but nice try

Acutally if Q was sadistic he might bring ST back for round two just to see what idiocy you would try again.

*laughs*

Remember this is an all out war, no warning for the Federation becuase the Empire would give non. Instantly Earth would be an asteroid belt, followed closly by Mars and then then the Empire wold start making offers surrender to the empire and keep your planet. How much of the Federation would stay?

You do like to dream don't you

ST has the edge in FTL, numbers, firepower, production, shielding, and all over technology. Not to mention strategic and tactical genius. In a WAR the Federation would win in the first two weeks.

I fixed that last part up for ya - you made two glaring grammatical errors

[Kittamaru]

You're kidding, right. A human with no more willpower than a trained soldier was able to resist the Queen's siren call. Not to mention and Android with literally no willpower. Now compare this to a being who has struggled every day since he was 2 years old with temptations of power so great that even the Borg Queen would be boggled. Every Jedi is the embodiment of willpower, self control and power incarnate. The whole reason Anakin fell was he was already so powerful he could literally do anything and yet the Dark Side was promising ever more.

Uhm... what siren call... you ARE kidding right? Jedi are the embodiment of inner-struggle... making them, if anything, more susceptible to outside influence.

[Kittamaru]

True.... that would make a good weapon though the fed should use it more often.

But than again, its simply another adaptation till the tyranids shield it.

Also, I do not believe there is any way to weaponize it.

Even in a space fight the tyranids would win. The ships would be too small for the feds to hit all of them, and the larger ones have too much armor to destroy effectively, and the giant spore cloud would shield any ships inside from sensors.

I doubt the Tyranid can adapt against it unless they can adapt away from being organic :P Deuterium simply destroys organic material at the atomic level... not much you can do about it

As for weaponizing it - shouldn't be too hard to do to be honest

As for the fleet - I dunno... remember, phasers would penetrate anything but super-dense armor pretty easily because of it's effect at the sub-atomic level. And I doubt the small ships would be hard to hit - recall that we're using near-light speed weapons... no real need to lead a target

[Kittamaru]

Also we have this rule that there can be no assumptions.

We cant assume that you will have temporal flux torpedos, or interphase cloaking devices (no matter how awesoem those things are)

Its jsut not fair to say that even though we have heard bare mentions of this weaponry that it is suddenly standard especially for trek.

You can only use things that were standard practice in the canon.

Well, in a way we can... its safe to assume that if the current federation were to be threatened, the future-federation would intervene with ALL of their technological superiority

[Kittamaru]

I still gotta say, that 39,000 warships each from 2 kilometers all the way up to 8 kilometers long would kick ass.

And thats not including the 100,000 or so ships the imperial guard carry from 2km to 10 km in length.

And thats only two of the 12 major races in wh40k.

the space fleets in 40k would own sw and st. Just the sheer weaponry on the battlebarge (the 8 km ship) can destroy a planet in hours, and this is the STANDARD weaponry.

SW may have a battlestation the size of a moon, but the necrons (wh40k race) have a battleship the size of a PLANET. with neigh invincible shields.

Again, size doesn't really matter... look at the Defiant compared to the Galaxy class... look at the X-Wing compared to the Death Star... hell, compare a modern day SSN Attack Sub to a Battleship

[Kittamaru]

Future tech doesnt count, just too unfair

If we counted it this thread would hav ended on page 10 and thats not fun

Well, Fedr, we have to assume the logical progression of technology... I mean, we've SEEN the 24th century federation

[antaran_1979]

this is a tricky choice, we are almost sure that that ST or at least the Feds would advance in tech very rapidly, but how really fast and in what direction, i think only canon can determine. we can't take maters into our hands as much as it apears to be unfair limiting the Feds at what they do best.

[fedr808]

I doubt the Tyranid can adapt against it unless they can adapt away from being organic :P Deuterium simply destroys organic material at the atomic level... not much you can do about it

As for weaponizing it - shouldn't be too hard to do to be honest

As for the fleet - I dunno... remember, phasers would penetrate anything but super-dense armor pretty easily because of it's effect at the sub-atomic level. And I doubt the small ships would be hard to hit - recall that we're using near-light speed weapons... no real need to lead a target

Definite advantage in light speed.

But a few dozen feet of adamentium armor at the thickest point (probably at the head of the ship), could take all the punishment you can dish out and keep going.

And thats without shields which are just as potant.

The advantage 40k has over the feds is that the fes only defense is shields and on a select few ablative armor (which still doesnt compare to adamentium many feet thick).

So when your shields go out you are screwed.

When a battlebarge's shields go out, nothing is really any different.

Also the ai on our ships can beat the shit out of the enterprise's.

The larger craft in 40k have such good ai that not only are they mostly sentiant they can feel anger and rage. Ie, a landraider, one of the minor ai's saw its crew get killed in combat and out of rage it, without ANY human guidance obliterated the enemy front line.

And that things only 30 feet long, imagine how good the ai on an 8 km ship is.