04-30-09, 05:27 AM #15561
3. as i said, major military instalations are no tlikely to be taken out on a whim, but i would not label them uncrackable, given enough determination even the largest Star Bases (like the 74) could be overwealmed, even when backed up by deffence platforms and ocasional patrol or stationed ships. still, large ammount of ships would be required.
04-30-09, 08:24 AM #15562
thats why I think wh40k would win because the space marines are incredibly effective in surprise attacks, raids, and massive battles. This is what they were engineered to do.
04-30-09, 08:29 AM #15563
Heh... I wouldn't exactly call a space marine stealthy... maybe their stealth-suits... but those provide rather... minimal... armor protection.
04-30-09, 08:46 AM #15564
04-30-09, 08:57 AM #15565
04-30-09, 09:03 AM #15566
Though, those detpacks are pretty over powered but oh well.
That is stealth and subtlety. The opposite would be landing a cruiser and diembarking a hundred space marines.
I dont mean like running super stealthy assassination missions like ninjas, im talking about surgical strikes and raids.
04-30-09, 09:08 AM #15567
Yeah, but the Marines themselves aren't being stealthy - it's the Stealth Suit guys
Though, it'd be funny as all HELL to see a Space Marine creeping up behind someone ... I mean, it's a giant, mechanized suit of armor... the servos themselves should give em away XD
04-30-09, 09:11 AM #15568
The same arguement as the supposed defect of the m1 garand when the mag pops and hits the ground enemies can hear the pinging sound. I find it doubtfull that throughout grenades, artillery, machine gun fire, and bombs and tanks, a German can hear that sound. I find that to be total BS.
04-30-09, 09:18 AM #15569
OH trust me... my grandfather has been there, done that - the common thing was to do "lapse" reloads - they hear the ping, come around the corner, and your buddy is ready with his M1 and you with your 1911 Colt .45 Consider that often times, especially at night, but generally in any kind of fight situation your senses are INCREDIBLY sharp due to the excess of adrenaline.
04-30-09, 09:31 AM #15570
04-30-09, 12:27 PM #15571
The M1 Garand was the springboard for many rifles:
The M14 was a spectacular failure, as it attempted to replace the M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M3 Grease Gun, and the M1918 BAR - it failed in all respects, having too much recoil for an assault-rifle and being too light a caliber for a machine gun. It was too unweildy and heavy for a carbine... and was generally inferior to the M1 Garand itself.
However, the M14 IS still in use today - it has excellent accuracy and good range, making it a shining example of a marksmans rifle, a feature it's used in the NAVY Seals and other branches of the armed forces.
You can read more about it here:
04-30-09, 01:22 PM #15572
04-30-09, 02:19 PM #15573
Why SW is likely to kill ST. Soundly.
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but SW has access to much more powerful methods of energy creation than antimatter reactions. Everyone knows Alderaan was destroyed by the Death Star, but what most don't seem to notice is that the planet was almost vaporized in a few frames. Someone much more educated than I did the math and found it would take a neutron star made of antimatter and half the diameter of the Death Star to destroy a planet of that size in such a spectacular way. We've seen the inside of a death star and know the generator is much much smaller, so we can tell that SW technology involves energy sources much stronger than M/AM reactions powering their vessels. This implies that phasers, disruptors, and torpedoes will bounce off of SW capital ship shields, while turbolasers will punch right through ST shields, and ion cannons will shut down every system aboard their targets.
04-30-09, 05:15 PM #15574
If you were right than the DS 2 should have had an excellant rate of fire because of that massive amount of energy output.
I love the irony of the empire.
The death star is defeated exploiting a hole 2 meters across leading to the core, and two proton torpedos were fired into it and followed the tunnel. And blew the damn thing up.
Solution in death star II.
They made a hole big enough for a fucking ship to fly through. I mean what morons, I could see the whole conversation going on between the engineers.
"The death star was destroyed by the rebellion off of a lucky shot of two torpedos down a hole two meters wide. So any ideas for improvement?"
- "how bout we make a hole big enough to fit a ship inside?"
"Okay lets do it, lets see those rebels fly a ship down this hole."
04-30-09, 08:28 PM #15575
Lol... that and the DS didn't vaporize the planet as evidenced by the fact that the Falcon flew into the asteroid field left by it a little later in the movie :P
04-30-09, 11:14 PM #15576
Now, the Imperial Star Detroyer has thousands of times the energy generation and shielding capabilities of a Federation GCS. The Typical Borg cube even with adpation would find itself smashed to smithereens within seconds. Which means even a small fleet of Federation vessels had NO chance against an ISD. How can a vessel to whicha 128 megaton weapon is a serious threat face a vessel to which a 200 gigaton weapon is a standard gun.
04-30-09, 11:18 PM #15577
04-30-09, 11:26 PM #15578
I hardly say that was "mostly destroyed"... and your ISD is a POS and you know it. PROVE that 128 megatons is a "serious threat" and PROVE that you can fire 200 gigaton weapons at all...
Oh, yeah, you CAN'T! Because your full of CRAP
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04-30-09, 11:29 PM #15579
1) For all we know, they simply caused the core to boil away... a very likely proposition given how the planet exploded. It's like popping a kernal of corn - fun to watch, but hardly impressive.
2) We dont' know that Alderaan didn't form back into a planet... in all honesty, we have no idea what happened a few weeks after it went boom...
04-30-09, 11:29 PM #15580
Greg Bear's novel, "The Forge Of God", contains an interesting refinement of this technique. Here, the antagonist instead generates antimatter in the form of a "slug" of anti-neutronium - superdense material massing a billion kilograms per cubic centimetre. This is fired into the Earth's core. Neutronium passes through ordinary matter as easily as a ball flies through the air, so the anti-neutronium slug doesn't annihilate immediately; rather, it builds up a protective sheath of plasma around it as it plunges downwards towards the Earth's core. It's then followed up by a slug of regular neutronium, which also falls into the core, at a time calculated to meet the first slug head-on at the exact centre of the Earth, where they annihilate themselves, and soon afterwards, the Earth itself. Highly space-efficient, and with the added bonus of all the energy being released at the Earth's core, where it can do the most damage. In the book, the antagonists simultaneously detonate nuclear warheads in certain oceanic trenches, to weaken the crust and allow the planet to be blown apart more easily.
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