Star Wars vs Star Trek

[TW Scott]

A number of things...

1) Neutronium - the Neutronium in SW is utter bullshit because it's "a material so dense it is actually energy resistant" yet Han can simply pick it up...there's a rather obvious problem with that... so stating the Neutronium in Star Wars = the Neutronium in Star Trek = Real Life Neutronium (neutron star material) = bullshit

Well, nobody said Han picked up a piece of PURE nuetronium. Or how large it was. Hell it could have been fingenail sized and weighed twenty seven pounds for all we know.

2) The Force - please... do I need to go into detail?

Actually at it's core explanation the Force seems to be just bio-energy, or perhaps a state of energy like gravity. Omnipresent and just some people have the ability to manipulate it. No different than all the races with mystical powers in ST.

3) Super Laser - not possible... a simple laser beam cannot contain enough energy to "detonate" a planet... in fact, condensing a large portion of the energy in the SOL system would not produce enough power to detonate an earth-type planet... let me use someone elses work here...

So, you see, even using the most energy-releasing single THING in the known UNIVERSE, we're talking a quantity of antimatter the likes of which we have not SEEN. So, thus, a mere laser cannot POSSIBLY manage it... at best, you'd blow a hole to the core. In fact, the ONLY possible way the "superlaser" on the death star could work would be causing a planetoid to enter a state of high-energy FISSION.

Actually a Super laser is much more feasible than the so called Phaser Nadion effect. The Super laser does not call inot existance any odd reaction that defies thermal dynamics. The power needed to destroy a earth sized planet iis approximately 7 years of Sol's total output which is a mere miniscule fraction of Sol's mass let alone our solar system.

As for the energy transfer to significantly blow a planet apart, a laser is perhaps one of the easier ways to transmit the energy. One could also use microwaves, but it probably would not look as cool. A aser impact of the type we are speaking of would transfer energy so quickly to the planet in question as to super heat the impact sight, making it virtually explode as it expands. This rapid expansion would cause even more damage as it would superheat the area surrounding it.

No suffice to say with out current energy generation methods such a laser would be nigh impossible, but given a suffiecently powerful energy generation source anything is possible.

HyperDrive: Really now... if a dimensional drive WERE to be created, it wouldn't act like HyperDrive... the most practical FTL-like drive (because HyperDrive isn't really FTL) would be Quantum Singularity Drive, which, literally, would rip the fabric of space, creating a wormhole between two points. Think Stargate on a much more massive scale.

Actually, considering how little we know of time and space. Hyperdrive seems much less damaging to space than the idea of folding it. In fact i would be leery of any vessels that relied on mutilating space/time. However we just do not have the knowledge to definayively say one is more feasible.

Most power-systems in SW: What are they even... I've heard hypothesies that they are Singularity Reactors... the only real power ou could derive from a black hole would be X-Ray and Gamma-Ray bursts, and even then thats when the black hole isn't feeding... otherwise it'll simply suck whatever is supposed to contain it in... a M/AM reactor is far more practical and far safer as well as easier to control...

Actually if you ask Mr Hawkens he'll tell you all about how much energy a singularity gives off and it's far superior to antimatter. With the added bonus that that is isn;t explosive. I mean really, who would really want to use a fuel that could destroy everything for several miles around at the slightest error.

Besides they descibe some reactors as solar ionization, some as fusion and some as hyper matter, Tha latter two are never explained as it is clear for power output they ceretainly don't mean nuclear fusion. As for hypermatter they never eexplain what it is and wisely so.

Power Relay Systems: These aren't even mentioned, but for all intensive purposes they appear as basic wires and other conventional methods that we are using today...

Yes, nice safe solid wiring, possibly ocomposed of super conductors . Too bad Star Trek uses nice explosive, corrosive and deadly plasma.

Propulsion - Old-Style Impulse Drives, similar to what we use today. An Ion engine is an Impulse engine, eg Action/Reaction engine. As we don't see anything other than the Ion drives on SD's, and the Falcon, that means those "ion drives" are what pushes the vessel thru HyperSpace... at least the Warp engines on Trek ships make some sense, even if it isn't really practical to warp the universe around you.

Actually ST uses the same impulse engines. However Hyper SPace is defined as a reality where the Relativisic Barrier does not exist. Which means those Impulse Engines are capable of quite a bit of Acceleration.

I could go on, but I think you get the point - Star Trek is science FICTION... Star Wars is science FANTASY! Sci-Fantasy isn't physically possible... Sci-Fi is plausible. Sci-Fan is more for those that like fast-paced action... Sci-Fi is for those that like a little more detail and are a bit more mature

Actually by your own defination Star trek is science fantasy. Why?

Phasere: They use a particle that cuases a chain reaction in materials with no continued energy imput despite reacting with substances that would need it.

Transporters: A devices that takes you apart by mlecule, stores you in with the matter used for replicators and then somehow builds a new you are at destination where there is no transporter

[TW Scott]

*shakes his head*

Okay... let me ask you this...

They KNOW it is explosive in it's refined state...
They KNOW it is a nuclear inhibitor...
They KNOW how to refine it for use in weapons...
They KNOW how to make it (byproduct of M/AM reaction)...
They KNOW how to properly handle it...
They have SEEN it used, twice now, as a SunBusting weapon...
They have SCANNED the "sun busters" already...

So, tell me... what, exactly, is missing for them to weaponize it... they have detailed scans from it... they know what exactly is needed to make it... they know how to SAFELY handle all the materials...

All the Federation has NOT done is make one... BECAUSE they don't believe in WMD's!

tell me - what is stopping them making one besides Morals?

Acutally they did not scan the sun buster, it was cloaked and had cloaking technology. Nobody took one apart and studied. Soren;s papers were not published. They have no clue how to make one.

[TW Scott]

As for Rome's use of Uranium:

The use of uranium in its natural oxide form dates back to at least the year 79, when it was used to add a yellow color to ceramic glazes.[5] Yellow glass with 1% uranium oxide was found in a Roman villa on Cape Posillipo in the Bay of Naples, Italy by R. T. Gunther of the University of Oxford in 1912.[12] Starting in the late Middle Ages, pitchblende was extracted from the Habsburg silver mines in Joachimsthal, Bohemia (now Jáchymov in the Czech Republic) and was used as a coloring agent in the local glassmaking industry.[13] In the early 19th century, the world's only known source of uranium ores were these old mines.

Finally... Uranium Oxide being added to make yellowed ceramic glaze is nice and all... it's like smushing berries to make red ink... it's a far cry from REFINING U-238 to make an atomic bomb...

Exactly our point to you. The Feds might have Trilithium, might know it can do smoething but have no clue how to exploit it into a weapon.

[Kittamaru]

Now I remember why I ignored him... he just fell back onto a set of arguments he used a year ago... and were disproven back then as well... *shakes head sadly*

Phasers are possible... why? You say "no continued energy"... you ever seen a runaway nuclear reaction? A little too much energy into the target and oh shit, nuclear fission!

Transporters are more than possible - there has actually been quite a bit of research into this, and there's really only two barriers to us building one today:

1) The more precisely the position (of a sub atomic particle) is determined, the less precisely the momentum (of said particle) is known in this instant, and vice versa. --Heisenberg, uncertainty paper, 1927

In other words - because the devices we use to "see" these sub atomic particles use particles that are themselves LARGER than those we are trying to observe, we cannot both know their location AND know their momentum with any degree of certainty.

2) As of right now, we have the ability to deconstruct matter INTO energy... however, going the other way is a bit more complicated.

[Kittamaru]

Acutally they did not scan the sun buster, it was cloaked and had cloaking technology. Nobody took one apart and studied. Soren;s papers were not published. They have no clue how to make one.

Uh, right... and the Dominions Sun Buster was cloaked as well, hm?

And just because your pathetic Imperial scientists need to dissect everything to get information from it (Star Wars: Clone Wars - they had to damn well DISSECT R2D2 just to pull some data from his memory banks... wtf?) doesn't mean Federation men of science need to do the same thing.

[Kittamaru]

Exactly our point to you. The Feds might have Trilithium, might know it can do smoething but have no clue how to exploit it into a weapon.

Rome didn't know Uranium could be used as anything at all... the extent of their knowledge was "OOH LOOK! If I drop this in here, pretty colors"...

The Federation KNOWS "Hey, if we spread enough of this stuff in a star, it'll collapse almost all of it's nuclear reactions"...

There's a SLIGHT difference between the two... don'cha know.

That and the Federation have SEEN TriLithium weapons in action... Rome NEVER saw an Atom bomb...

[Nasor]

Rome didn't know Uranium could be used as anything at all... the extent of their knowledge was "OOH LOOK! If I drop this in here, pretty colors"...

So they couldn't use it for anything at all, and also they used it as a dye in glass? Christ, you're not even able to maintain consistency from one sentence to another. The romans got uranium as a byproduct of silver mining, and knew that it was useful for dying glass. That appears to be about the level of the federation's understanding of tilithium; they get it as a byprudct, they know it's very poisonous, and they generally wish it wasn't around. There is no evidence that they have ever attempted to use it for anything. A few terrorists have apparently laced bombs with it, but that's about as far from building a sun-destroying weapon as building a dirty bomb with uranium ore is from building a nuclear warhead.

The Federation KNOWS "Hey, if we spread enough of this stuff in a star, it'll collapse almost all of it's nuclear reactions"...

No, they don't - you have no idea what is involved in using trilithium to destroy a star. There is no reason to believe that it's a simple matter of "spreading it around inside a star". Who knows what sort of freaky things you have to do with the trilithium to make a star explode, or what technology is required to do said freaky things? You certainly don't.

That and the Federation have SEEN TriLithium weapons in action... Rome NEVER saw an Atom bomb...

For f*ck's sake, is this supposed to be an argument? Do you think the romans would suddenly be able to build an atomic bomb, even if they saw one? Hell, even back in the early 1930s when chemists and physicists new all about uranium and its atomic structure, AND understood the principles of neutron-induced nuclear fission chain reactions involved in making a nuclear weapon AND had determined that such a weapon would probably be possible...it still took them YEARS to build a working weapon, even when they were making an all-out effort to do so. Even if the federation understands the principles on which a star-destroying tilithium weapon operates, it might still be years and years before they could produce a working weapon - and we have no evidence that they even understand how the weapon really works. There is nothing in the dialog to indicate that they have the slightest f*cking clue how the weapon works, other than that it somehow magically halts fusion.

You keep bringing up the fact that they scanned the weapon, but there is nothing in the dialog to indicate that this scan gave them any sort of idea how the device worked or how to build one. We sure as hell didn't see any sort of diagram pop up on the screen. It was simply "Hey, the scanner says that things has, uh, some trilithium and stuff in it..." I realize that you want to imagine that they would know how to build one after "scanning" it, but there is no evidence that this is the case.

[Nasor]

Transporters are more than possible - there has actually been quite a bit of research into this, and there's really only two barriers to us building one today:

1) The more precisely the position (of a sub atomic particle) is determined, the less precisely the momentum (of said particle) is known in this instant, and vice versa.

The uncertainty principle is a fundamental, unavoidable fact of physics. It is theoretically impossible to get around it, under any circumstances. In ST they say they have "Heisenburg compensators" that allow them to get around it, which is a blatant violation of the fundamental laws of physics. So you have to at least give them credit for understanding why their fantasy devices are impossible - but that doesn't make them any less fantasy.

[Saquist]

Everything is fantasy untill it's discovered.

[Kittamaru]

So they couldn't use it for anything at all, and also they used it as a dye in glass? Christ, you're not even able to maintain consistency from one sentence to another. The romans got uranium as a byproduct of silver mining, and knew that it was useful for dying glass. That appears to be about the level of the federation's understanding of tilithium; they get it as a byprudct, they know it's very poisonous, and they generally wish it wasn't around. There is no evidence that they have ever attempted to use it for anything. A few terrorists have apparently laced bombs with it, but that's about as far from building a sun-destroying weapon as building a dirty bomb with uranium ore is from building a nuclear warhead.

Uh... no... using a pretty dye to color your glass =/= weaponizing a potent toxin for use... now... accidentally poisoning your enemies and yourself with said toxin, that's about on par... And in DS9 and TNG and Generations, we saw a bomb DESIGNED to use TRILITHIUM to HALT THE NUCLEAR REACTIONS of a star... so don't say we've seen a few "dirty bombs"... that's a load of bullshit and you know it...

No, they don't - you have no idea what is involved in using trilithium to destroy a star. There is no reason to believe that it's a simple matter of "spreading it around inside a star". Who knows what sort of freaky things you have to do with the trilithium to make a star explode, or what technology is required to do said freaky things? You certainly don't.

Yes, I do. By halting a nuclear reaction, it stops the fusion inside a star... and thus the star implodes. The implosion, in a star of sufficient mass, causes an explosion called a SUPER NOVA. There is no "freak science"... it's a NUCLEAR INHIBITOR... similar to the control rods in a nuclear reactor...

For f*ck's sake, is this supposed to be an argument? Do you think the romans would suddenly be able to build an atomic bomb, even if they saw one?

No, because you're taking Tech from a different MILLENIUM and showing it to someone who'd be fascinated with a fucking firecracker...

Hell, even back in the early 1930s when chemists and physicists new all about uranium and its atomic structure, AND understood the principles of neutron-induced nuclear fission chain reactions involved in making a nuclear weapon AND had determined that such a weapon would probably be possible...it still took them YEARS to build a working weapon, even when they were making an all-out effort to do so.

Yes, it took years back in the 1930's... have you never heard of technological progression? The more advanced your technology, the faster it progresses... it's a well known fact of life...

Even if the federation understands the principles on which a star-destroying tilithium weapon operates, it might still be years and years before they could produce a working weapon - and we have no evidence that they even understand how the weapon really works. There is nothing in the dialog to indicate that they have the slightest f*cking clue how the weapon works, other than that it somehow magically halts fusion.

And yet a FEDERATION SCIENTIST with a limited budget was able to make a handful of these working with incredibly stupid Klingons... in DS9 the Dominion were able to assemble one ... and in TNG and DS9 Trilithium was used as a weapon in it's unrefined state... AND all the while they are dealing with it and studying it and looking at it... I'm PRETTY DAMN SURE that, if they can COUNTER the weapon, they could BUILD the weapon... especially with something THIS complex.

You keep bringing up the fact that they scanned the weapon, but there is nothing in the dialog to indicate that this scan gave them any sort of idea how the device worked or how to build one. We sure as hell didn't see any sort of diagram pop up on the screen. It was simply "Hey, the scanner says that things has, uh, some trilithium and stuff in it..." I realize that you want to imagine that they would know how to build one after "scanning" it, but there is no evidence that this is the case.

You are incredibly stupid you know that... if they REALLY didn't know what that weapon did and HOW it did it after that scan, why the FUCK would they give a shit about it? "Hey, look! He's shooting a missile at the sun... fucking dumbass!" is what the response would be if they didn't know that "Oh, shit, that weapon will halt all nuclear fusion in the star and cause it to implode, then go supernova, destroying EVERYTHING the goddamn solar system!"

Do ya get it yet? You are WRONG. End of story. I know it hurts to find out that the Death Star is antiquated already, but suck it up and deal with it.

[Kittamaru]

The uncertainty principle is a fundamental, unavoidable fact of physics. It is theoretically impossible to get around it, under any circumstances. In ST they say they have "Heisenburg compensators" that allow them to get around it, which is a blatant violation of the fundamental laws of physics. So you have to at least give them credit for understanding why their fantasy devices are impossible - but that doesn't make them any less fantasy.

Actually, the only reason for it is that our current methods of "scanning" use particles LARGER than those we are trying to scan... there are various proposed theories on how to overcome this, but they are just that - theories...

You sound much like the people who, back in the late 1890's, thought a person flying a heavier than air machine was impossible... now look at what we're sending up there...

[antaran_1979]

dudes, how did this evolve into a pissing contest?

chill out a bit.

facts: the Feds did get a clear scan of Soren's solar probe on the Amagosa opservatory, the Feds do have stable sources of trilitium.

allso a fact: no fed would ever construct a trilitium weapon even if Earth itself was at peril. even if the entire Federation was on the brink of distruction. and this is what makes them different from the Emperails. heck, even official Rommulan and Klingon goverments would not aprove this.

survival is not the only thing that matters...
if you recall Adama's speach, the more important thing is are you worthy of survival. i am willing to bet the alpha quadrant would be willing to lose a war and undergo ocupation, but would not resolve to sun busting.

in the end the Empire would not last long anyways. the do perform genocides on their own citizens after all. how long do you think it would take for a massive rebelion to insue?

[TW Scott]

Now I remember why I ignored him... he just fell back onto a set of arguments he used a year ago... and were disproven back then as well... *shakes head sadly*

No you ignored me becuase you kept claiming you disproved after a little hand waving on your part and I wasn't buying it. I was kicking your sorry arse all over this thread and you got tired of it.

Phasers are possible... why? You say "no continued energy"... you ever seen a runaway nuclear reaction? A little too much energy into the target and oh shit, nuclear fission!

That only works in a material that there is a energy produced by the split of the atom. Not all atoms are like that,. In fact the lighter ones actually take more coninous applied energy to keep the reaction

Transporters are more than possible - there has actually been quite a bit of research into this, and there's really only two barriers to us building one today:

The experiment you speak of have only a real use in telecommunication. They basically they were playing with certain sub atomic particles that seemed to linked, Bascially when the polarity of one flips the other does at the exact same time. The experiment is to see if we can do this with a large particle, one we can scan the frequency of flips as a message. This would allow true FTL messenging.

1) The more precisely the position (of a sub atomic particle) is determined, the less precisely the momentum (of said particle) is known in this instant, and vice versa. --Heisenberg, uncertainty paper, 1927

In other words - because the devices we use to "see" these sub atomic particles use particles that are themselves LARGER than those we are trying to observe, we cannot both know their location AND know their momentum with any degree of certainty.

Yes and there is absolutely no way around this little fact unless one can stop the flow of time.

2) As of right now, we have the ability to deconstruct matter INTO energy... however, going the other way is a bit more complicated.

If we could deconstuct matter to energy then why are we messing around with any sort of fuel . other than the densest materials we can get our hands on.

[TW Scott]

dudes, how did this evolve into a pissing contest?

chill out a bit.

facts: the Feds did get a clear scan of Soren's solar probe on the Amagosa opservatory, the Feds do have stable sources of trilitium.

allso a fact: no fed would ever construct a trilitium weapon even if Earth itself was at peril. even if the entire Federation was on the brink of distruction. and this is what makes them different from the Emperails. heck, even official Rommulan and Klingon goverments would not aprove this.

survival is not the only thing that matters...
if you recall Adama's speach, the more important thing is are you worthy of survival. i am willing to bet the alpha quadrant would be willing to lose a war and undergo ocupation, but would not resolve to sun busting.

in the end the Empire would not last long anyways. the do perform genocides on their own citizens after all. how long do you think it would take for a massive rebelion to insue?

Actually they were beginning to scan the device when Soren launched it. They knew it was trilithium the same way that the average shmuck knows a modern nuclear weapon has plutonium. They may even understand the basic theory, but they don;t understand how he does it.


As for the Empire, remember Palpatine was loved by the Core Worlds. In fact many, many worlds had no flipping clue what the Rebllions problem was, even after Alderaan. In fact after Alderaan Palpatine managed to win back the hearts of most of the Alderaanians that had been off planet by setting them up on the deep core world of Byss,.

Honestly if you take the story element out of it, the Empire was designed to survive. And peoples living under what was the Federation would start enjoying freedoms they'd never had before. The Empire did have free speach, minimal corruption and a booming economy. While some people would despir the loss of communism others would apreciate the ability to own real businesses again.

[TW Scott]

You are incredibly stupid you know that... if they REALLY didn't know what that weapon did and HOW it did it after that scan, why the FUCK would they give a shit about it? "Hey, look! He's shooting a missile at the sun... fucking dumbass!" is what the response would be if they didn't know that "Oh, shit, that weapon will halt all nuclear fusion in the star and cause it to implode, then go supernova, destroying EVERYTHING the goddamn solar system!"

Do ya get it yet? You are WRONG. End of story. I know it hurts to find out that the Death Star is antiquated already, but suck it up and deal with it.

Well did you notice that the first time he did it, they had NO CLUE what the missle was. Yeah they saw it, did nothing, then the star was going nova and they figured things out. They know the missle did it, they know the missle had trilithium. That's like knowing gunpowder has charcoal, sulfer, and salt peter, of little use without the proper ratio.

[Lord Vasago]

A number of things...

1) Neutronium - the Neutronium in SW is utter bullshit because it's "a material so dense it is actually energy resistant" yet Han can simply pick it up...there's a rather obvious problem with that... so stating the Neutronium in Star Wars = the Neutronium in Star Trek = Real Life Neutronium (neutron star material) = bullshit

2) The Force - please... do I need to go into detail?
never heard of telekinese,pyrokinese and other whateverkinise ?

3) Super Laser - not possible... a simple laser beam cannot contain enough energy to "detonate" a planet... in fact, condensing a large portion of the energy in the SOL system would not produce enough power to detonate an earth-type planet... let me use someone elses work here...

I really don't know but the core is liquid if you can heat it up till it becomes gas it will expand enormous + the heat will melt everything else. now if you can do that with tremendous speed. the earth would blow up. you don't need millions of tons of antimatter.







HyperDrive: Really now... if a dimensional drive WERE to be created, it wouldn't act like HyperDrive... the most practical FTL-like drive (because HyperDrive isn't really FTL) would be Quantum Singularity Drive, which, literally, would rip the fabric of space, creating a wormhole between two points. Think Stargate on a much more massive scale.

i think travelling trough a other dimensions is more plausible than compressing and decompressing space around you




I could go on, but I think you get the point - Star Trek is science FICTION... Star Wars is science FANTASY! Sci-Fantasy isn't physically possible... Sci-Fi is plausible. Sci-Fan is more for those that like fast-paced action... Sci-Fi is for those that like a little more detail and are a bit more mature

Star trek is plausible ? hmmm
transporters. yeah right
replicating mines : yeah right
flying into a blackHole and coming back; yeah right
holodecks that create matter: yeah right
Q : not going there
almost every species is bi-padel: yeah right

ST mature ? omfg st is just so gay

[Lord Vasago]

Everything is fantasy untill it's discovered.

agreed

[antaran_1979]

1.Actually they were beginning to scan the device when Soren launched it. They knew it was trilithium the same way that the average shmuck knows a modern nuclear weapon has plutonium. They may even understand the basic theory, but they don;t understand how he does it.


2.As for the Empire, remember Palpatine was loved by the Core Worlds. In fact many, many worlds had no flipping clue what the Rebllions problem was, even after Alderaan. In fact after Alderaan Palpatine managed to win back the hearts of most of the Alderaanians that had been off planet by setting them up on the deep core world of Byss,.

Honestly if you take the story element out of it, the Empire was designed to survive. And peoples living under what was the Federation would start enjoying freedoms they'd never had before. The Empire did have free speach, minimal corruption and a booming economy. While some people would despir the loss of communism others would apreciate the ability to own real businesses again.

1.they do have the tricorder readings. they did not understand it at the spot but there is no problem of reconstructing it. for any practical purpose they might as well have a functional prototipe.

2. to be honest, i found the spineless natives of GFFA odd at best. if someone just blew up all my relatives i'd have a real hard time being bought. nothing short of who ever was responcible head on the platter that is.
and freedom in the empire? maybe on a core world. half the galaxy was in constant anarchy, over run by smuglers and crime bosses. no alines included in eighter military or administration. yeah, i'm sure the quadrants in ST would enjoy the freedom of being slaves or genocided

seriously, the most likely to actually surrender would be the human citizens of Earth, but no non-human in UFP, starfleet member or ANY race in Milky Way would stand that for long.

[Lord Vasago]

i don't really understand what all the fuss is about it's ST vs SW not Fed's vs Empire.

what i don't understand is how the hell would that torp even last that long. the temperatures of a sun is tremendous so how the hell does that torp even get to his destination ? It can't possible have enough energy to sustain his shield for very long at those temperatures. oh yeah i forgot it's ST. and St is far more mature ... as if

[Kittamaru]

No you ignored me becuase you kept claiming you disproved after a little hand waving on your part and I wasn't buying it. I was kicking your sorry arse all over this thread and you got tired of it.

*wipes a tear from his eyes* Ah, thanks for the laugh - I needed that to wake up to.

That only works in a material that there is a energy produced by the split of the atom. Not all atoms are like that,. In fact the lighter ones actually take more coninous applied energy to keep the reaction

*nods* Okay... then riddle me this... if the lighter gasses take more continuous energy to keep the reaction going... what is the sun made out of?

It's roughly 75% hydrogen... and that hydrogen is being turned into Helium... it's part of the nuclear reaction... hm... so I think you have a problem with your statement there...

The experiment you speak of have only a real use in telecommunication. They basically they were playing with certain sub atomic particles that seemed to linked, Bascially when the polarity of one flips the other does at the exact same time. The experiment is to see if we can do this with a large particle, one we can scan the frequency of flips as a message. This would allow true FTL messenging.

You are referring to Quantum Entanglement, an entirely different animal in itself.

Yes and there is absolutely no way around this little fact unless one can stop the flow of time.

And yet, we have managed to 'freeze' light in place without removing any of it's energy... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3308109.stm

Granted, the method here is crude at best, but considering we thought for how long that the speed of light thru a vaccuum was a universal constant... now we're finding out that "constant" is changing both with the random material in space, gravitational pulls... even the expansion of the universe. Not much of a constant is it...

If we could deconstuct matter to energy then why are we messing around with any sort of fuel . other than the densest materials we can get our hands on.

Because, my dear dumby, "deconstructing matter to fuel" is EXACTLY how ALL our fuel works... it's a chemical and physical reaction... you burn it. Gasoline is burned, the resulting expansion of gas pushes the pistons of your car... oil is burned to heat your homes... nuclear fuel is spent to heat water into steam to power turbines... that's all methods of "burning" matter as fuel. Not sub-atomically deconstructing it, but how long do you really think it'll take for us to reach that level?