Star Wars vs Star Trek

**Kittamaru** · 03-30-09, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

in the case you guys haven't heard, i'd like to pay my respects to Filefront, the name that gave to the players Jedi academy, Bridge Commander and many other games a place to mod them and share opinions and work. RIP Filefront

Er, what do you mean?

**antaran_1979** · 03-30-09, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Consider that a modified photon torpedo was used to deliver a klingon diplomat at high warp for five days...

forgot about that onem sorry. i guess torpedoes do have long term sustainability

**antaran_1979** · 03-30-09, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Er, what do you mean?

anyine that has played Bridge Commander, Jedi Academy, Legacy....knows of filefront. it's where the modders put their work so you could dowload it. they are closing it on 30th march, that is today.

**Kittamaru** · 03-30-09, 08:11 AM

Ah, I always used RTS Community

**fedr808** · 03-30-09, 08:42 AM

I honestly do not see what the big deal about the death star super laser is. It's just a big ass laser, no fancy tech, no nothing. Just a really scaled up laser. Sure it might destroy a borg a cube, and obliterate the enterprise, but after the first shot, couldnt they just move to the back of the death star and avoid the laser? the thing moves so massively slow.

P.S. typically speaking the baffles of any large vehicle typically water vehicle is the blind spot directly behind the vehicle where the engines are and a cone behind the engine that blocks out sensors. It can refer to the back side of any sort of ship of star ship.

**~~Saquist~~** · 03-30-09, 10:00 AM

True.

**TW Scott** · 03-30-09, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by fedr808

I honestly do not see what the big deal about the death star super laser is. It's just a big ass laser, no fancy tech, no nothing. Just a really scaled up laser. Sure it might destroy a borg a cube, and obliterate the enterprise, but after the first shot, couldnt they just move to the back of the death star and avoid the laser? the thing moves so massively slow.

P.S. typically speaking the baffles of any large vehicle typically water vehicle is the blind spot directly behind the vehicle where the engines are and a cone behind the engine that blocks out sensors. It can refer to the back side of any sort of ship of star ship.

Well the point to the DS is the main weapon can obliterate a planet one shot deal. How long would the Federation survive and a cohesive unit with such a superweapon around. After the first planet was turned into an asteroid cloud other planets would be defecting like mad. How would you defend a world against such a device. You have no clue it is coming untill it arrives then you got about a second before the planet is rubble. Just the existance of ths weapon would cuase planets to defect.

**TW Scott** · 03-30-09, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

ahem, Han may have hidden the Falcon away from the "host" ISD, but what about the other ships. the fleet was all bundled up before they went to hyperspace. no other ship detected it eighter. and all they had to do is look out the window. their sensors don't recocnise even their own ship's geometry. plus, there is no way han jammed them, cause they would have known it (being jammed that is).

Actually there are several reasons this worked and you'll kick yourself when you realize them,

Sensor Baffles: Absorb sensor frequencies. Think like blackball anti radar paint. Now on a scale of all em frequencies,

Second the vessels would roughly 5 to ten kilometers apart and the Falcon was the same shade of white as the ships. Can you tell a golf ball is sitting in font of a paper plate from 50 yards with just your naked eye.

Third all sensors were concentrating on the asteroid field, they weren't scanning each other.

**TW Scott** · 03-30-09, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

hmm but the 1g deck is not really a 1G deck if you know what i mean. actually the celing is more like -1g a least on the old ships. then the ship's outer plating is not gravitized as we constantly see the debrese do not stick to it. now even if detecting was as easy (how they failed to detect the Falcon with his artificial gravity still on) as you say, how are you going to tractor the cloaked ship if it is inside you or inside a moon or something?

Negative gravity is still detectable and phased object still react to it. So it is still an issue.

As for the phased ship hiding inside the target vessel, unlikely as when Roe and Geordi were phased they could not fall through the floor but could through the walls. Since this was a direct result of a identical device to the one the Pheonix had he have to to assume that a cloaked vessel will have similia restriction when it comes to grav/antigrav plates. Besides what could a phased vessel do from inside a another vessel? Or from inside the moon?

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

well the actual explanation is bad wrighting

seruiously, if you look at the original series and early TNG, you'd see that they travel around a great part of the galaxy (even reaching destinations such as galactic core and galactic rim), but in DS9 and Voy they are far slower. in example season 1 TNG begins at Deneb, aprox 1500 ly from Earth. half a season later they are in Earth's orbit, another half a season later they are on the border with the Romulans near the Borg entry vector. seing how they don't really travel streight to Earth but take a lot of exploration and diplomatic missions it is clear that even at slow warp they can travel more then 1500 ly per year (more likely even more then 2000).

but to the question how they got to Andromeda, well guess who (Wesly Crusher) and a strange alien reconfigured the warp field in a way no computer could. while performing these experiments they reached first Andromeda and then another dimension. the thingy with the configuraion was that it required an individual with special talents to maintain the dinamic changes (in this case Wess or the Traveler).

andromeda is like 1 000 000ly from earth. huge step from 2000 to 1 000 000ly. of course it had to be wesley

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

ahem, Han may have hidden the Falcon away from the "host" ISD, but what about the other ships. the fleet was all bundled up before they went to hyperspace. no other ship detected it eighter. and all they had to do is look out the window. their sensors don't recocnise even their own ship's geometry. plus, there is no way han jammed them, cause they would have known it (being jammed that is).

In my opinion the Falcon wasn't really jamming because indeed they would have noticed that. I think it uses the same device that The Slave1 has, making it invisible to sensors (like a steath bomber) . Maybe (and this is just speculation on my part so don't quote me) it is a type of shield don't forget that Vader could not even sence it was there.

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

i doubt it. Shinzon brought down their defences far too easy. they lost their FTL capability in less then a minute.

Don't you find it disturbing that after a few wellplaced shots your vessel is taken out ?

**Cyberbunny** · 03-30-09, 05:36 PM

In answer to someone's question about who would win, ST or SW, against ... ,s/he said Q. S/he is right, but is Q on "our" (ST)s side?

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Actually, most starships are fully functional at warp - you have to remember, the Ent-E is still semi-experimental, regenerative shielding IS experimental (and very power hungry) and the heavier phaser emitters use more energy as well.

Plus, you don't need shields or weapons in Hyperspace... as you can't fight in hyperspace. Safe to assume then that weapons, sublight, and shields are offline once the jump to hyperspace is made... right?

i disagree on this one. it is not because you cant fight in hyperspace you power those systems down.
Don't forget they use gravitywellprojectors to get ships down from hyperspace. if you are commander of a battleship, you bare that in mind, so you are prepared.
second, did you hear General Ackbar ordering 'shields up, weapons up' when they dropped out of hyperspace????
These are all battleships so it would be logical that they are fully operational all the time.

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Cyberbunny

In answer to someone's question about who would win, ST or SW, against ... ,s/he said Q. S/he is right, but is Q on "our" (ST)s side?

the problem with Q is they wouldn't give a shit about what happend or who wins. they would sit in there longshare sipping martini's and enjoying the fight like we all love a great action movie.

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by fedr808

I honestly do not see what the big deal about the death star super laser is. It's just a big ass laser, no fancy tech, no nothing. Just a really scaled up laser. Sure it might destroy a borg a cube, and obliterate the enterprise, but after the first shot, couldnt they just move to the back of the death star and avoid the laser? the thing moves so massively slow.

the ds is ftl dude, it travelled farther in an hour the ST does in a year.
and don't forget they always can build several more.
Now that would be nice wouldn't it. Taking out al important races their homeplanet is a few minutes. except those who still deepdown have a grudge for the ufp. they would be joining fast.

**Lord Vasago** · 03-30-09, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Nasor

They said it would take all the Enterprise's torps to destroy it, but they didn't want to because the guy in charge of the mission wanted to get the phasing cloak back. It was the only one they had, and he didn't want to lose its secrets. Which argues against the federation having the technology.

So far ZERO races from ST have demonstrated a working phase cloak that's able to opperate without screwing up and destroying the ship it's installed on. The Romulan device didn't work right either.

Hyperspace is a other dimension. even a tiny x-wing can hyperjump .

**~~Saquist~~** · 03-30-09, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Actually there are several reasons this worked and you'll kick yourself when you realize them,

Sensor Baffles: Absorb sensor frequencies. Think like blackball anti radar paint. Now on a scale of all em frequencies,

Second the vessels would roughly 5 to ten kilometers apart and the Falcon was the same shade of white as the ships. Can you tell a golf ball is sitting in font of a paper plate from 50 yards with just your naked eye.

Third all sensors were concentrating on the asteroid field, they weren't scanning each other.

Actually the Falcon is not white. Star Destroyers are white.
But you are correct interphase would still be effected by gravity.

**Kittamaru** · 03-30-09, 11:30 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Well the point to the DS is the main weapon can obliterate a planet one shot deal. How long would the Federation survive and a cohesive unit with such a superweapon around. After the first planet was turned into an asteroid cloud other planets would be defecting like mad. How would you defend a world against such a device. You have no clue it is coming untill it arrives then you got about a second before the planet is rubble. Just the existance of ths weapon would cuase planets to defect.

After the first planet was turned into an asteroid cloud (if the DS could even survive long enough to attempt to pierce Earths planetary defenses and shield) that would be the point the Future Federation goes back about a year and a half and blows the Death Star 3 to hell before it's finished

**Kittamaru** · 03-30-09, 11:39 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Actually there are several reasons this worked and you'll kick yourself when you realize them,

Sensor Baffles: Absorb sensor frequencies. Think like blackball anti radar paint. Now on a scale of all em frequencies,

Wrong... Baffles = blind spots. You're trying to compare air intake baffles with sensors... it doesn't work. The correct term would be RAM or Radar Absorbant Material.

Second the vessels would roughly 5 to ten kilometers apart and the Falcon was the same shade of white as the ships. Can you tell a golf ball is sitting in font of a paper plate from 50 yards with just your naked eye.

From above, below, or the side, yes. Yes I could. You're telling me those ISD's were directly in front of or behind the ISD the Falcon landed on? That'd be the ONLY reason active systems didn't see a change in shape...

Third all sensors were concentrating on the asteroid field, they weren't scanning each other.

Then not only do their sensors suck, they're also captained by incredibly STUPID people...

Quite Whining scott