Star Wars vs Star Trek

[antaran_1979]

They did say there is jamming when the TIEs showed up.

they did say they did not get any readings from the shields being up or down, and that this is because the empire was jamming. this was in EpVI. in EpIV there was no jamming. note that it is never noted that this jamming influences weapon targeting. if you recall, every time someone fires a tracking weapon in SW someone evades it by launching countermesures or destroying it. no jamming ever worked.

[antaran_1979]

There are multiple classes of Star Destroyer:

Victor Class
Venator Class
Acclamator Class
Imperial Class

They ARE all star destroyers mate.

i think the 25000 figure is related to the Imperail classes 1&2.
maybe the Victory class? but i doubt this.

[antaran_1979]

Aldereen did have military-grade planetary shields, because it is a very important planet in the Republic and the Empire.

afcorse they had it. it just was not up

[antaran_1979]

It is 40+ years old, and it is much bigger and less efficient than the Viscount.

i think that during EpV and VI it was brand new.

[antaran_1979]

Star Wars film is pretty awesome, but personally I like the books better.

i hate milk cow products. that's why i never read novelisations and bad fiction.

[antaran_1979]

Han said half THE, but like I pointed out before if it is by numbers than the half Han was talking about are made up of TIEs, which can't destroy a planet to bits obviously.

i doubt the ties were considered. common they are not independant or significant. they are always attached to a ship. no FTL remember?

[antaran_1979]

Yes it was, it blocked the blast by a split second.

and by the 1000000th time, why would it be up?

[antaran_1979]

The atmosphere doesn't vaporize, it is already gas. What you think is atmosphere vaporizing is the shield.

wrong, gas can ionize and raise its energy state efectively evaporation in the vacuum that surounds it.

[antaran_1979]

We are talking about threat to a planet. If there is enough TIE bombers, yes it would damage a planet really badly.

not nearly as much as a single ISD or even Aclamator would. you see the problem here?

[antaran_1979]

jet it is onscreen so how the hell it works doesn't matter. It can use black matter for all I know but it's cannon Lol
damn thrown a few of those around saturn. or better the asteroid belt.

i agree the seismic charges are in and a good weapon for blasting asteroid fields. too bad the military does not use them. maybe they suck against shileds or starships?

[antaran_1979]

allthough hyperspace is one off SW advantages i don't think they could jump out right in front of earth. In my opinion Saturn and Jupiter are to massive. So i'm wondering if those missles would indeed have any effect. Maybe you could check this Uchiha madara

lack of charts is also a problem. they will have to jump system by system or sector by sector in the begening.

[antaran_1979]

uhmmmmmmm, you don't know it works ??? duh its sci-fi or do you know how timetravel works or trans.torps ????
the idea of SW universe being FLUID is something to think about though.

i never saw trusters on the Enterprise though. How does impulse work ?

those greyish/orangish panels all over the ship's rim are the thrusters. the impulse drive is a hybrid. the use fusion powered conventiontional generator to both generate exhaust and the power needed for low warp geometry. this warp is the primary means of manoevre and mass reduction during impulse speeds. thrusters are only used during fine extreamly low speed actions, like parking or when extra manoevervability is needed.

[Lord Vasago]

i hate milk cow products. that's why i never read novelisations and bad fiction.

I only read the first book of the Thrawn trilogie; I had fun reading it. But by lack of time i didn't get the chance jet to read the other two. I hate Comics so i'll never read those.

[Lord Vasago]

lack of charts is also a problem. they will have to jump system by system or sector by sector in the begening.

not really, they can send probes. and i think they have very strong scanners.
we can detect solarsystems with planets. it would be logic that SW and ST (allthough voyager coudn't find his way home) both have scanners that detect inhabitant planets in a few minutes. or max a few hours.

[Lord Vasago]

those greyish/orangish panels all over the ship's rim are the thrusters. the impulse drive is a hybrid. the use fusion powered conventiontional generator to both generate exhaust and the power needed for low warp geometry. this warp is the primary means of manoevre and mass reduction during impulse speeds. thrusters are only used during fine extreamly low speed actions, like parking or when extra manoevervability is needed.

oh i remember, they use trusters when the are in the station for repairs.
Why do they need mass reduction at impuls??? one second burst of a thruster would change direction immidiatly.
the way you explain it you have low warp and warp ?

Babylon 5 has some nice fightscenes (how it supposed to be) and in BSG the vipers make in some occations some pretty neat manouvers.

[Lord Vasago]

i agree the seismic charges are in and a good weapon for blasting asteroid fields. too bad the military does not use them. maybe they suck against shileds or starships?

The slave 1 has some pretty advanced stuff that even the Empire doesn't own. Like for instance a jamming device that allows Jango fett and later Boba Fett to land on planets without anyone noticing them. And lots of other stuff that were not allowed but hey Jango was a Bountyhunter so why should he care.
It's the same thing with subspace weapons. there outlawed but hey some don't really care.

[antaran_1979]

not really, they can send probes. and i think they have very strong scanners.
we can detect solarsystems with planets. it would be logic that SW and ST (allthough voyager coudn't find his way home) both have scanners that detect inhabitant planets in a few minutes. or max a few hours.

still even with all that help there is "a lot of space to get lost out there". this counts for the habitable planets too or star systems too. scouting parties and probes could help, but this would reveal the Empire's presence. not to mention the large amount of telescopes,listening posts and outpost both sides have deployed on their borders makes the defender in a serious advantage. not to forget that although the feds don't have the hyper drive they do have tachion sensitive scanners, resulting in detection of hyperspace jumps and lanes.

[antaran_1979]

oh i remember, they use trusters when the are in the station for repairs.
Why do they need mass reduction at impuls??? one second burst of a thruster would change direction immidiatly.
the way you explain it you have low warp and warp ?

Babylon 5 has some nice fightscenes (how it supposed to be) and in BSG the vipers make in some occations some pretty neat manouvers.

i think they use mass reduction to increase manoeverability and to conserve fuel. after all we have seen the GCS doing 180 degrees turns in no more then 1 ship length while going at 50% impulse in reverse. it also decreaes the amount of exhaust points needed.
and yes, low warp bubble is almost constantly present when the ship is in STL mode. this is synonimous with the warp field. generally all warp factor below 1 (light speed) is not considered warp speed.

the best fight scenes i've ever "seen" were in "The fall of Hyperion" book. the Ouster hive engaged the Force:Space armada from the Ort's cloud while the defenders were in defence perimeter in the inner solar system using hyperkinetic projectiles (projectiles moving at FTL). a small flotilla in the Hyperion universe (few torch ships and possibly an escort carrer and a cruiser) is stated to have the the firepower to blow up a star's corona. later Pax ships are even more formidable. allmost all ships there have morphing hulls. the only disadvantage is the relatively slow Hocking drive, but this is largely anulated when on defence by the use of portable farcaster portals (think star gates). even the small gunship drop ships have these. once a ship openes a farcaster portal there is no limit to the number of reinforcements that can go through (except for the size of the portal). Force:Ground troopers and Force:Space marines are probably among the best troops in SF. each soldier is equipped with an armoured suit that generates its own force field, has camouphlaging ability that can remodulate to compensate for energy weapons fire (rendering them very inefective by reflecting large percentage of it), very detailed scanning and data feed system, the ability to change it's elastic properties... their standard issue rifles fire anything from: plasma charges, charged particle beams, high energy lasers, granades, darts...

[antaran_1979]

The slave 1 has some pretty advanced stuff that even the Empire doesn't own. Like for instance a jamming device that allows Jango fett and later Boba Fett to land on planets without anyone noticing them. And lots of other stuff that were not allowed but hey Jango was a Bountyhunter so why should he care.
It's the same thing with subspace weapons. there outlawed but hey some don't really care.

i see the point, but the jamming issue largely amuses me. jamming is a bad way to avoid detection. it is ok once the engagement starts, but if it's secrecy you like this is a bad way. it's like telling the enemy something is wrong. to illustrate with a modern example:

say you have a radar relay that has a scanning range of 200km and protects a vital installation. under normal conditions this radar provides live feed for the nearby airbases and redirects them to the needed enemy vectors. if you say fly below it minimum altitude detection or use F-117 or B-2 you prevent it from responding so... however if you use a wide area ECM device mounted on a plane or a ground installation, you suddenly prevent the radar from getting clear reading by generating noise (hence the term jamming). so now the radar can't "see" if anything is coming its way, but the operator knows that he is being jammed, so he can redirect the help to the jammed area.

so jamming might be usefull if you want to spread some confusion in an all out melee but not to remain secret.

[Lord Vasago]

i see the point, but the jamming issue largely amuses me. jamming is a bad way to avoid detection. it is ok once the engagement starts, but if it's secrecy you like this is a bad way. it's like telling the enemy something is wrong. to illustrate with a modern example:

say you have a radar relay that has a scanning range of 200km and protects a vital installation. under normal conditions this radar provides live feed for the nearby airbases and redirects them to the needed enemy vectors. if you say fly below it minimum altitude detection or use F-117 or B-2 you prevent it from responding so... however if you use a wide area ECM device mounted on a plane or a ground installation, you suddenly prevent the radar from getting clear reading by generating noise (hence the term jamming). so now the radar can't "see" if anything is coming its way, but the operator knows that he is being jammed, so he can redirect the help to the jammed area.

so jamming might be usefull if you want to spread some confusion in an all out melee but not to remain secret.

its not really jamming but i can't translated it in english sorry. the best i can try is that's some kind of cloak divice but for radars and scanners. so it's not like Slave1 disapearce from your view just from jour your scanners.
Allso his weapons exceed the firepower of an x-wing enormously. I'm not sure about shield though. equaly Slave1 (allthough not my favorite) is one of the best fighters in SW. there's a slaveII allso. i try to find some pictures of it