Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Uchiha Madara]

No, because you can NOT hit something in HyperSpace - you have no MASS in HyperSpace... and a simple counter to these - emit graviton pulses from the main deflector dish to create an artificial gravity well around the fleets - now they have to drop out of HyperSpace and *poof*

And seismic charges do NOT work in space - SEISMIC implies a fluidic motion thru solid material... SONIC charges don't work either because SPACE does not conduct SOUND.

Lol... that mine that Fett used... it's a mistake in and of itself.

Sure, that's why at the First battle of Corusant the Republic lost many ships. They lost ships because of ships ramming into them in hyperspace. I don't care if it can be real or not it happened. I doubt the Federation will be expecting it. It is not standard procedure to use graviton pulses is it? So they will be down before they know what happened.

Dude, Jango Fett used it and it worked, I don't care what the name says, it worked.

[Uchiha Madara]

Aight... let me just say this again:

We don't see em in the movies... they're never mentioned in the movies, no matter HOW beat up the ships get.

Thus, we can say that, in George Lucas Star Wars universe, there is no Temporal Shielding.

Chances are if it got beat up pretty badly, it won't be going to hyperspace without shields, they are not crazy.

Look, loads of stuff is not mentioned in the movies, it is still canon ( just lower canon, if it said "There is no..." it is canon ).

[Kittamaru]

Show me a picture please and I will point it out.

That circle is the boundary around the planet on a SINGLE frame, analyzed at high magnification. It remains the same in both images, and the "glow" remains inside the circle. Thus, the glow is the atmosphere and crust of the planet being superheated and turning to plamsa.

[Kittamaru]

jet it is onscreen so how the hell it works doesn't matter. It can use black matter for all I know but it's cannon Lol
damn thrown a few of those around saturn. or better the asteroid belt.

The point stands - we don't know HOW they work... we saw the effect. It makes it rather difficult to use in a universe vs universe fight... for all we know (and it makes sense given how things fly in Star Wars) that the Star Wars universe is FLUID, not a vacuumous space. Why? Thrusters are always lit while in motion, even when course corrections are not being made. Ships fly in space an in atmosphere nearly identically, an a number of other things that suggest "naval" travel not "space" travel

[Kittamaru]

Chances are if it got beat up pretty badly, it won't be going to hyperspace without shields, they are not crazy.

Look, loads of stuff is not mentioned in the movies, it is still canon ( just lower canon, if it said "There is no..." it is canon ).

But if something in the movie suggests otherwise, it's overriden.

[Kittamaru]

Sure, that's why at the First battle of Corusant the Republic lost many ships. They lost ships because of ships ramming into them in hyperspace. I don't care if it can be real or not it happened. I doubt the Federation will be expecting it. It is not standard procedure to use graviton pulses is it? So they will be down before they know what happened.

Dude, Jango Fett used it and it worked, I don't care what the name says, it worked.

Okay, fine, I'll play dice:

If, for whatever freaky reason, things go badly for the Federation:

Future federation goes back in time and obliterates the ENTIRETY of the Star Wars universe when it's still just a budding nebulae. As a result, any ship NOT currently in hyperspace ceases to exist. The rest are simply picked off by the Future Federation at a time just before they launch the invasion via contentional weapons.

Now, do you still want to allow time travel for both sides?

[Lord Vasago]

Okay, fine, I'll play dice:

If, for whatever freaky reason, things go badly for the Federation:

Future federation goes back in time and obliterates the ENTIRETY of the Star Wars universe when it's still just a budding nebulae. As a result, any ship NOT currently in hyperspace ceases to exist. The rest are simply picked off by the Future Federation at a time just before they launch the invasion via contentional weapons.

Now, do you still want to allow time travel for both sides?

the problem is that you can't remove time travel out of the ST universe. because if they couldn't timetravel they couldn't help Janeway so voyager would be lost and every advantage they bring along like armor and torps.
it is one of ST main advantages (except for q that is).

[Lord Vasago]

allthough hyperspace is one off SW advantages i don't think they could jump out right in front of earth. In my opinion Saturn and Jupiter are to massive. So i'm wondering if those missles would indeed have any effect. Maybe you could check this Uchiha madara

[Lord Vasago]

The point stands - we don't know HOW they work... we saw the effect. It makes it rather difficult to use in a universe vs universe fight... for all we know (and it makes sense given how things fly in Star Wars) that the Star Wars universe is FLUID, not a vacuumous space. Why? Thrusters are always lit while in motion, even when course corrections are not being made. Ships fly in space an in atmosphere nearly identically, an a number of other things that suggest "naval" travel not "space" travel

uhmmmmmmm, you don't know it works ??? duh its sci-fi or do you know how timetravel works or trans.torps ????
the idea of SW universe being FLUID is something to think about though.

i never saw trusters on the Enterprise though. How does impulse work ?

[Kittamaru]

the problem is that you can't remove time travel out of the ST universe. because if they couldn't timetravel they couldn't help Janeway so voyager would be lost and every advantage they bring along like armor and torps.
it is one of ST main advantages (except for q that is).

No no, I mean no time travel DURING the fight. Eg, no new time travel.

[Kittamaru]

allthough hyperspace is one off SW advantages i don't think they could jump out right in front of earth. In my opinion Saturn and Jupiter are to massive. So i'm wondering if those missles would indeed have any effect. Maybe you could check this Uchiha madara

They wouldn't be able to - Van Halen Radiation Belt for one thing would stop any hyperdrive dead in it's tracks.

[Kittamaru]

uhmmmmmmm, you don't know it works ??? duh its sci-fi or do you know how timetravel works or trans.torps ????
the idea of SW universe being FLUID is something to think about though.

i never saw trusters on the Enterprise though. How does impulse work ?

Impulse is a highly-advanced variation on basic rocket power - for every reaction there is an equal and opposite reaction kinda thing. Just on a super-massive scale, and with mass-reduction warp fields.

I have a theory on Time Travel in all seriousness - feasible yes... survivable? Not likly. But anyway... and yes. Trans-Phasic torps phase out of reality (read, out of this dimension), enter the target, and reappear, detonating INSIDE the ship where the damage can be maximized.

[antaran_1979]

Vader got his abilities weakened on Mustarfar, and the Emperor don't want anyone to know he is a Sith " Every single Jedi must be hunted down and defeated ", there aren't many Siths hanging around after the Rule of Two, so people will think he is a Jedi. I think Sith needs the Meditation Sphere to destroy planets. Palpatine and Vader didn't have a Sith Meditation Sphere. It might also be done if they are in the Valley of the Sith Lords, because the dark side is strong there.

face it kid, had the Sith been blowing up planets on a whim in the movies, they would have flopped. just wait untill they try something as silly as that

[antaran_1979]

He is not the best pilot in the alliance you know.

he needs not be.

[antaran_1979]

Dude, ISDs are expensive and KDY doesn't give out free ships to the Empire.

you did not answer my question, if 1 tower out of 10 ships is heavy casualties, what is a 50% kill rate called?

[antaran_1979]

The movie is mainly about the story of Anakin Skywalker and the prophecy of the Chosen One, while the others look at other things.

the proper statement would be : the other media look at other things DIFFERENTLY

[antaran_1979]

If it is before the battle of Yavin, it limits a lot of potential. For example, the superweapons that is created after the second Death Star is destroyed. It is weird, their numbers and territory were greatest before battle of Yavin, but the tech was greatest after. There is another thing that have to be taken into consideration, we should take the enemies of each side ( for example the Rebel Alliance ) out of the equation. I rather have after the second Death Star is destroyed.

but looking at thins from that perspective is problematic. the later releases of the original triology show the Empire colapsing after Endor....no remnant, thus no further basis for that developent. this is why it's better to consider the books as a separate universe.

[antaran_1979]

They don't mention it because they are already expecting it. There is no point telling someone something that they already know.

so just because the f-117 pilots knew there would be AAAs and SAMs during desert storm, they were not briefed on them? what kind of incompetent louts are the people in SW now?

[antaran_1979]

And it was said on screen that the Force is a lot stronger than the DS

what was said, was that the power to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force. this leads to the conclusion that planets cannot be destroyed by the use of the Force. it also leads to the conclusion that some of the most powerfull Sith in the histrory were extreamly incompetent in the use of the Force.

[antaran_1979]

I know he is, he just doesn't appear to be the chosen one to the rest of the Jedi.

he is to the chosen one to Luke and since Luke is a great paprt of the rest of the jedi......