Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Saquist]

1. has anyone ever atempted to eliminate their foghters?

Hives travel in Packs of at least 3 at most 12 that between 450 to 1800 fighters. No one carries or even has that many fighters.

2.those are funky shields then. all shields in SG function like this? it makes my think they are more of absorbtion then deflector shields. or the weapons in SG are incredebly weak.

Only Asfard or ancient shield tech (thus human) shields work in this way.

3.ok, this becomes problematic. unlimited power or energy? both are kind od pseudo science, but power would be blashemous.

That is the nature of ancient technology. It uses vaccuum energy.

4.in that video you posted they missed at least 2 times in a row when shooting at a 35 degrees banking enemy at point plank range. whenever tehy fired at long range the enemy was static.

I'll look again.

[Saquist]

I think you were talking about the Ori ships. The Earth ship never misses.

[Uchiha Madara]

So there is NOTHING new in SW... they are at their technological apoch?

Good to know - makes it even easier for Trek, Stargate... hell, even Last Starfighter to steamroll em flat.

It is sorta hard to see them adapt, when they already have saw most of the stuff in the galaxy thousands of years ago. They can't copy most of the stuff in the galaxy, because you know what THEY ALREADY DID.

[Kittamaru]

It is sorta hard to see them adapt, when they already have saw most of the stuff in the galaxy thousands of years ago. They can't copy most of the stuff in the galaxy, because you know what THEY ALREADY DID.

If this is true, then why haven't they begun to compress their technology, making it more efficient? A SSD, while decently powerful, is incredibly slow to maneuver... making it a sitting DUCK against a UFP starship!

[Uchiha Madara]

I fixed it up for ya TW Scott CLone.

You know there is no need for insults here.
Anyways lets get to the point. I have always wondered why if Star Wars shields is so bad why can they survive ships crashing into them in hyperspace. I got news for you, they can block both at the same time. Personal shielding only need to stop transporters, the Katarn armor will do the actual blocking. Even if we never see them in the movies, it is still a part of Star Wars canon, as long as it doesn't contradict the movies without a reasonable explanation. They don't need to dodge phasers, they just eliminate UFP personnel before they knew what hit them. What makes you think high-powered ion cannons won't work? Even if charges can't blast it they can blast it with high-powered turbolasers to make a door. If droidikas have them, they can just put the shield generator on the Katarn armor, problem solved.

[Uchiha Madara]

If this is true, then why haven't they begun to compress their technology, making it more efficient? A SSD, while decently powerful, is incredibly slow to maneuver... making it a sitting DUCK against a UFP starship!

Maybe they don't need to. They have good firepower and protection, it eliminates the need for maneuvering, because it is designed to fight and create fear, not to explore. The bigger the ship the easier it is to pack more firepower. Plus they did make it smaller, well at least the Mon Cals did, the result is the Viscount. Same firepower ( 4000 heavy turbolasers, and ion cannons ), smaller ship and more cargo space.

[Uchiha Madara]

Again, fixed for you.

They can communicate real-time across the galaxy using HoloNet. What makes you think Star Destroyers are weaker?

[Uchiha Madara]

what do numbers have to do with my post?
anyways, as far as the computers go, what makes you think, the clones don't use them?

Well, remember what Skywalker said after that? Yeah, I think you remember too. It is just a exclamation about how hard it is. Clones do use computers but droids have computers for brains.

[Uchiha Madara]

watching RoTS i tend to agree. the clones are better fighters then the Gem'Hadar as far as tactics, equipents and training goes. still it takes time to grow clones and yet again time to train them. all in all it may take months or years to field the next batch. Gem'Hadar are available twise a week. and they come as good as they get, being cannon fodder that they are. clones would be over wealmed fast.

On Endor, they are half old Jango clones, and half normal humans that is nothing compared to Fett-clones. Star Wars can just use droids, and only use clones for commando jobs.

[Uchiha Madara]

i agree and have always wondered how much of their war machine could they spare for external ambitions?

Well, the Chiss side with the Empire so no point attacking them.

[Uchiha Madara]

there has never been a personal deflector in SW movies or games. Katarn's shields were ray shields. Droideka's allso. besides you don't need them transported in one piece .

Oh, I wasn't talking about Katarn's shields. I am talking about the Katarn armor the Republic Commandos wore

[Uchiha Madara]

what is the holonet?

A communications system that Star Wars use. It have anything from entertainment to restricted military frequencies.

[Uchiha Madara]

Sun Crusher only need to use one missile to destroy make a supernova.

[Uchiha Madara]

The Centerpoint can let Star Wars use a good strategy, they can use a fleet of small frigates controlled by droids, and droid controlled old and battle scared Accalmators I-class to draw the attention of UFP ships then use Centerpoint to eliminate the decoy fleet as well as the UFP fleet. It would be a nice way to reuse, reduce and maybe recycle . See, the Republic think about the environment. They use the 3Rs in a new way that helps the war effort. Star Wars is so environmentally friendly. I somehow think that the UFP won't like that deal at all.

[Kittamaru]

You know there is no need for insults here.
Anyways lets get to the point. I have always wondered why if Star Wars shields is so bad why can they survive ships crashing into them in hyperspace. Which is why an asteroid took out the bridge of an ISD, right?I got news for you, they can block both at the same time. No, they can't. Else the ray shielding on the ehxaust port of the death star would have blocked the proton torpedoPersonal shielding only need to stop transporters, again, how can they block a technology they never heard of?the Katarn armor will do the actual blocking. WTF is Katarn armor?Even if we never see them in the movies, it is still a part of Star Wars canon, as long as it doesn't contradict the movies without a reasonable explanation. As read above, contradicted over and over They don't need to dodge phasers, they just eliminate UFP personnel before they knew what hit them. How would they do this? Wishful thinking?What makes you think high-powered ion cannons won't work? The fact that the max theoretical output of an Ion Cannon is such that the navigational DEFLECTOR would absorb it, perhaps?Even if charges can't blast it they can blast it with high-powered turbolasers to make a door. The same way turbolasers blast apart a wooden catapault on Endor, right?If droidikas have them, they can just put the shield generator on the Katarn armor, problem solved.One problem - humans aren't powered by a batter pack... and if that shield stops MATTER moving... how would they allow the person to BREATH hm?

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[Kittamaru]

Maybe they don't need to. So packing the same firepower on a smaller platform (making the shields SMALLER and thus MORE POWERFUL) isn't a good idea? Well... then again, the Empire does kill off admirals that fail a mission or two... They have good firepower and protection protection that a small asteroid can punch thru is no protection at all.., it eliminates the need for maneuvering, buh?because it is designed to fight and create fear, not to explore. hard to fight something running circles around youThe bigger the ship the easier it is to pack more firepower. which is why the USS Defiant packs as much firepower as a Galaxy Class starship, right?Plus they did make it smaller, well at least the Mon Cals did, the result is the Viscount. Same firepower ( 4000 heavy turbolasers, and ion cannons ), smaller ship and more cargo space. Why not make HTL's smaller?

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[Kittamaru]

They can communicate real-time across the galaxy using HoloNet. What makes you think Star Destroyers are weaker?

Simple...

1) There is a MAX SPEED you can send any wave based medium thru a vacuum.

2) SD's are very weak in that FIGHTER CRAFT pose a serious threat. It'd be like a P-51 Mustang downing a WW2 Battleship with it's machine guns...

[Kittamaru]

Well, remember what Skywalker said after that? Yeah, I think you remember too. It is just a exclamation about how hard it is. Clones do use computers but droids have computers for brains.

Very, very STUPID computers according to Clone Wars...

[Kittamaru]

On Endor, they are half old Jango clones, and half normal humans that is nothing compared to Fett-clones. Star Wars can just use droids, and only use clones for commando jobs.

Droids that run ships into planets and have trouble hitting STATIONARY targets? (reference, Clone Wars)

[Kittamaru]

Sun Crusher only need to use one missile to destroy make a supernova.

Star Trek only needs one missile as well... but it doesn't need a mission-fit ship for it.