Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Gumbias]

SG would go pretty far with only 3 ships. From what I have seen example when they had the Wraith attack on Atlantis with the sheild up it took a pounding from the Wraith ships More then any sheild in either SW or ST. You do see DS9 take quite a beating from the Klingons, bu that is nothing compared to Atlantis.

[Gumbias]

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[Challenger78]

SG would go pretty far with only 3 ships. From what I have seen example when they had the Wraith attack on Atlantis with the sheild up it took a pounding from the Wraith ships More then any sheild in either SW or ST. You do see DS9 take quite a beating from the Klingons, bu that is nothing compared to Atlantis.

Plus, you've got wormhole drive.

[Challenger78]

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[Gumbias]

I had to laugh I noticed above that Spaceballs is beating SG in the poll. And why not how could you lose with a flying Winnebago.

[Lord Vasago]

I had to laugh I noticed above that Spaceballs is beating SG in the poll. And why not how could you lose with a flying Winnebago.

well Spaceballs has it all. from the millenium falcon at the diner to the alien. hey and they have ludicrous speed looool. and don't forget the swartz and yoghurt hehehe. and i think u see the enterprise flying around th diner but i'm not sure lol.

[Saquist]

i don't know if this is a good or bad thing. what hapenes when they've lost their fighter support?

Over a hundred fighters? I suppose it's possible. There is no point Defense on the Hives...only batteries for precision Earth Strike and ship to ship bombardment.

1. but is it enough? and given infinite power, enough attacks would still penetrate a shield even if its still operational, by simple overwealming.

We've never seen Stargate shields be overwhelmed unless there was insufficient power available to the shields.

During the bombardment of Atlantis by 10 Hive ships (Yes 12) 1 Zpm would have been depleted in 5 or 6 days and the shield would colapse.

When the replicators fired a beam through a stargate starship (a device with an unlimited amount of power) once again this powerful beam gave Atlantis 9 hours before the Atlantean shield failed. His was obviously a far more powerful weapon or the zpm was partially drained already.

But if that was the case then later the zpm when vented by the beam as it grazed the tower would have failed completely not alowing the city to escape in to hyperspace at all.

2.and those 3 ships are not very fast or manoeverbale in STL. add the awful hit percentage on moving targets and you'd get a skirmish. it would be like english longbowmen fighting french men at arms. only 1 in 100 hits would do any damage, but the enemy would not get a chance to even attempt a hit.

They're hit percentage isn't bad just a slow fire rate. Infact I've never seen the beam miss. Infact. The beam was capable of tracking a wraith cruiser as it accerlated to lighspeed for the hyperspace window...which is very fast.
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3. in this case it is the power ratios that matter, not size. a WW2 T-boat can smack down a flotila of Nelson's ships-of-the-line. so if the Cube gets blasted, it won't be because its small.[/QUOTE]

Of course.

SG would go pretty far with only 3 ships. From what I have seen example when they had the Wraith attack on Atlantis with the sheild up it took a pounding from the Wraith ships More then any sheild in either SW or ST. You do see DS9 take quite a beating from the Klingons, bu that is nothing compared to Atlantis.

Far more of a pounding! Days of pounding from 10 ships with as many as 7 shots continuously from each ship.

[Kittamaru]

Another advantage that the Republic have is industrial capability. Kamino, KDY and Rothana ( and BlasTech if you are counting the infantry weapons )built the GAR in 10 years. Also, Kamino cloning tech is the best, but it is far from the fastest, Microtech is. UFP's starfleet is nothing compared to the size of GAR, and GAR is only built by 2 shipyards, 1 weapons company and 1 system.

Yet starfleet is a Star Democracy, rules thru order and allegiance, and doesn't need massive, planet cracking superweapons to hold the peace...

[Kittamaru]

Okay, it takes concentration, but they can be on another ship when they do it. The Imperials won't let people on without reason or a fight, and they are very adapt at fighting with soilders. The Imperials can send commandos aboard the Star Trek ship and through thermo dets everywhere and blow up the warp core. Jedi can do much more than just use the force, they have lightsabers you know and they are trained from childhood.

A) Transporters... B) StormTroopers can't hit the broad side of the Death Star... C) Commandos boarding trek ships? HAH! IF they DID GET ON, it's a simple matter of lvl 10 force fields and/or transport them to the brig (minus their weapons, armor... clothes if they so wanted) to stop em.

They can just to hyperspace and leave them far behind, so they can't catch up to hyperdrive. Also, it wouldn't be fun if everyone keeps saying, oh the Federation adapted to this and that. It is Star Wars tech vs Star Trek tech, not Star Wars tech vs Star Trek and Star Wars tech. Star Wars have cloaking too for your information. Star Wars can copy stuff too your know.

Except we never SEE Star Wars adapt... we SEE the Federation adapt on a near-daily basis.

Have you ever heard of evidence? I don't think you have.

Anakin isn't that important, plus he would be born to another family, it is the will of the force, can't change it sorry.

Aighty, fine - he goes back in time and destroys EVERY sun in the Star Wars universe using Ultritium Devices... no Star Wars now :P

In red

[Kittamaru]

the problem that SW has it that the first 3 movies are from the 70-80ies the 3latest movies are prequels so the power can't top the power of the first 3. even clonewars animated is prequel. ST on the other hand has except Captain kirk, the next generation, DS9, voyager. so offcourse they can invent better weapons.
ST and SW are in the same universe jet in other galaxy's.
as SW get across it's galaxy in matter of days and Voyager can't find it's way home without the future feds giving them a hand, we can fairly conclude that SW is far more superior on the matter of travelling and mapping the universe.

oh yeah and future feds can't kill anakin before he is born because they can't possible know th effect it would have on present time. they could easily be wiping out mankind.

They could easily predict the effect it'd have. They go back in time, do it, use Relativistic Shielding to stop themselves being affected, jump foward in time, observe. ANything bad happens, they go back and stop themselves

[Kittamaru]

SG would go pretty far with only 3 ships. From what I have seen example when they had the Wraith attack on Atlantis with the sheild up it took a pounding from the Wraith ships More then any sheild in either SW or ST. You do see DS9 take quite a beating from the Klingons, bu that is nothing compared to Atlantis.

Remember though - for a long time, Nuclear Warheads are considered Top Dog last ditch in Stargate...

[Kittamaru]

Over a hundred fighters? I suppose it's possible. There is no point Defense on the Hives...only batteries for precision Earth Strike and ship to ship bombardment.



We've never seen Stargate shields be overwhelmed unless there was insufficient power available to the shields.

During the bombardment of Atlantis by 10 Hive ships (Yes 12) 1 Zpm would have been depleted in 5 or 6 days and the shield would colapse.

When the replicators fired a beam through a stargate starship (a device with an unlimited amount of power) once again this powerful beam gave Atlantis 9 hours before the Atlantean shield failed. His was obviously a far more powerful weapon or the zpm was partially drained already.

But if that was the case then later the zpm when vented by the beam as it grazed the tower would have failed completely not alowing the city to escape in to hyperspace at all.



They're hit percentage isn't bad just a slow fire rate. Infact I've never seen the beam miss. Infact. The beam was capable of tracking a wraith cruiser as it accerlated to lighspeed for the hyperspace window...which is very fast.

3. in this case it is the power ratios that matter, not size. a WW2 T-boat can smack down a flotila of Nelson's ships-of-the-line. so if the Cube gets blasted, it won't be because its small.[/QUOTE]

Of course.



Far more of a pounding! Days of pounding from 10 ships with as many as 7 shots continuously from each ship.[/QUOTE]

Saquist, let me ask you this - what IS the output of a ZPM? For all we know, a Warp Core could match or best it... and a Warp Core has a far greater sustained capacity under load than a ZPM (so long as they have M/AM)

Throw a warp Core on the Daedelus... hehe...

[Uchiha Madara]

when i reffered to the targeting in SW i did not mean the computer assisted targeting as the X-wing pilots in ANH clearly commented that computers are superior to lifeforms (the exact quote being, "That's impossible, even for a computer".) actually this statement clearly demonstrates that the most expensive piece of hardware the Empire has does not posses any jammer worth the money and that SW targeting computers can't hit a 2m wide target at a distance of 5km or more. in comparisson today's guided missiles can make that shot half the planet away.

but for just a second, forget the computer. in both ANH and RoTS we were presented with the SW weapon platforms. in both cases they are slow, cumbering devices with poor turning rates. those platforms could not make the proper targeting adjustments even if they had better computers/gunners.

First, you have to consider the quantity. The Empire and the Rebels need a lot of fighters, so it means it would cost a ton of money. I don't think the Rebels have enough money to buy loads of fighters to fight the Empire, while the Empire pretty much have a monopoly on everything except for Mon Cal ships. The fighters the Rebels use are old fighters and bombers from the Clone Wars. I got to admit the Empire do have terrible turret control, but KDY doesn't sell ships for free you know, and the emperor do prefer quantity over quality. As for the targeting computers... it is sort of hard to look through a computer trying to aim when someone is shooting at you. As for computer vs human, I wonder why the confederation is in a stalemate with the clones even though the clones are vastly outnumbered.

[Uchiha Madara]

the industrial capability of the Empire has also been noted and confirmed. but it is so only in the light of tremendous stress on its economy, as they reached the max efficient size for their fleet attempting to maintain order through terror. in other words, they can spare little of their capabilty on offensive actions.

I know they can't afford a massive invasion, but the empire is doing very well for the size of their territory.

[Uchiha Madara]

actually the Dominion foot soldiers were battle ready on 3 days. not even the Empire could match such a level of recompensation for loses.

Well, yeah but the waiting time paid off.Republic Commandos and Alpha ARCs can outmatch Dominion foot soldiers, sergeants like Walon Vau toughened them up. They got trained by the best of the galaxy, and their sniping score have to be more than 95% or they "disappear". They are professionals.

[Kittamaru]

Well, yeah but the waiting time paid off.Republic Commandos and Alpha ARCs can outmatch Dominion foot soldiers, sergeants like Walon Vau toughened them up. They got trained by the best of the galaxy, and their sniping score have to be more than 95% or they "disappear". They are professionals.

If the clones are what became the Storm Troopers, and clones had to have a sniping score over 95%... why do stormtroopers SUCK so badly at shooting?

[Uchiha Madara]

Not sure you understand. A Jem'Hadar soldier is a fully grown lethal killing machine in 3 days. All of there instinct, and ability are coded in to there DNA at their creation. Sorry to say but a Garrison of Jem'Hadar against a Garrison of Storm trooper would be an absolute blood bath for the GAR. The Jem'Hadar would roll over them like they did not exist. The Jem'Hadar is a perfect soldier because they do no question their orders they just do it.

I think the fact that ST could adapt is a very important advantage for the Fed. All of the series we the ability to adapt to the situation at hand to emerge victorious with some brilliant engineer adapting some crazy plan "that just might work." Basically that is what Voyager was all about adapting to become victorious. Another example is from DS9 with the Breen Weapon that disabled the fed and Romulans ships. They had to adapt to win the war.

Sorry but, THE GAR HAVE NO STORMTROOPERS. The only stormtroopers we've seen in the movies are the 501st legion, and they are leftovers from the Clone Wars. Clone troopers and terminate them, Fett clones have the best genome in the galaxy, natural instincts and ability are good but Dominion troops will lose because of the same reason Republic Commandos are weaker than real Mandalorians. Even though Commandos have better genes and natural talent, real Mandos have more hands on experience, so they have tactics that the Commandos never even seen before. So they are as Kal Skirata says "Data rich, Experience poor."

We never seen Star Wars adapt, because they didn't need to most of the time. Almost everywhere in the galaxy is explored and known thousands of years ago in the storyline, so there isn't anything new to adapt to. And when they adapt, they don't use enemy tech ( unless you count rebels using Star Destroyers ) they develop new toys, for example the YVH Hunter, ( Yuuzhan Vong Hunter ) Alpha Red, and the Fett-clone targeted virus. They are more than confident in their tech.

[Uchiha Madara]

If the clones are what became the Storm Troopers, and clones had to have a sniping score over 95%... why do stormtroopers SUCK so badly at shooting?

1. I said the commandos have 95%+ sniping score
2. Accelerated aging ( there was a 20 year time skip, and they are already atleast 10 years old, so (20+10)x2 is 60 years old, but some Fett clones are made at the end of the clone wars so it is 40-60 year old clones. Clones age differently depending on the individual and don't ask why it said so in Republic Commando: True Colors )

[Uchiha Madara]

There is something called shields so transporters won't work. And they can have personal shield generators ( As shown in droidiekas ), they can attach it to their Katarn armor. They can make their own "doors", so it will be sort of hard to track them. Commandos can slice the UFP's computers. As for getting on, a few high powered ion cannons and a "hatch persuaders" ( charges ) will do the trick. You are forgetting that Star Wars have really good weapons too, for example Centerpoint, Sun Crusher................

[Uchiha Madara]

I forgot to mention the fact that the UFP ships can't communicate when they are quadrants apart. HoloNet can reach anywhere in the galaxy. Communications is very important.