Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Lord Vasago]

Let me try to answer the questions I can:

1) One, and only one. Though they can REBUILD it via the replicators, it takes time. Remember, though, they go Warp 0.9 at MAX impulse
well it just was odd that it took them longer from point a to b ( with warpcore) then from b to a (without warpcore) and they even had to travel at least half an hour to astablish contact with the federation so that 15minutes of battle would not make the difference.

2) Yeah... continuity isn't Treks strongest point
we will just to lieve with it lol

3) Drive Plasma - without the modifications to safely traverse the area, the Metereon gas was wrecking havoc on the engines. They had to vent Drive Plasma to keep up the pace they were going.
aha i see

4) No, the Dam built a lake to keep the water there FOR the town - the water flowed down river below the town.
the amount of water that they released from the dam in such short time would be devastating. a river would not hold that power.

5) It makes sense - the radiation helps your cells regenerate. Until a certain age, your cells are simply CHANGING, not degenerating. Thus, at around 30 ish you'd peak out and stay that age if your cells and body never degenerated. It has to do with mRNA and I think bRNA strands in your DNA sequencing... study Genetics for more info
study geetics ? no no i'll take your word for it hahahaha

6) At birth everyone is blind. Their eyesight develops in the first few months (from seeing just bright light to seeing shapes to cloudy details to fuzz to finally normal vision). Sometimes this process is interrupted (blind at birth to varying levels of vision correction needed).
euh i have 4 kids so i know how it works hahaha but you aren't born blind. you can even see in the woom. It are not the nerves that have to develope is is the eye itself. but geordi stated that is where his nerves that are damaged. but what the heck the man surely was happy he could see even if it was but for a moment. and if his eyes did restore why does he loose it again? they are regenarated aren't they.

7) Indeed, it is

but doesn't a rip suppose to move in two oposite directions??? so how did the others escape the rip? sealing it with the warp was neat though

[Kittamaru]

Actually the answer is simple, The federation pushed it's construction technologies to he breaking point with the Galaxy class cruiser. While sovie is longer, the Galaxy does have a much greater volume.

Now structurally the Galaxy class starship cannot support it own weight in even 1 G. Without massive amounts of shielding the vessel would not even be able to move. This of course mean massive energy exenditure anytime you are not in a perfect zero gravity or you want to move even in zero gravity.

Yes, the federation is capable of building larger objects, but you will note non of them are mobile in any way shape or form.

Uhm... that's why the Saucer Section is able to make planetary landings? That's why O'Brian was able to move DS9 with... what was it? FOUR THRUSTERS and partial shields?

Need I remind you of the tugs that move SHIPYARDS around?

Go back into hibernation Scott... it was nice having real conversations without you around to blather em up.

[Kittamaru]

Well, I think it is two-fold.

1) We really don't know how long they travelled without intervention from the attack ships. We also don't know how much power they had to divert to shields due to not being designed for use in that nebula. We can also safely assume they were most of the way there when they were attacked.

Assuming that, it wouldn't take nearly as long to get back as they could put more power to the impulse drive... especially when they realized they COULD manage full impulse without detonating themselves

2) *shrugs* It upsets me too

3) This is speculation on my part... but it makes sense. We've seen a few episodes where races vent drive plasma to keep their engines from overheating

4) No doubt, but the dam was built to hold water BACK for the town, implying the town is above or level with the dam's lake, not below it

6) When I say blind I meant legally blind - my mistake. As for LaForge... not really sure why he's blind... one sec

Geordi La Forge was born on February 16th, 2335 in the African Confederation on Earth, to parents Captain Silva La Forge and noted exozoologist Commander Edward M. La Forge. Due to a birth defect, he was born blind.

When he was five years old, Geordi received his first VISOR, which allowed him to see (although not the same way the average Human does) for the first time in his life.

Just says a birth defect... guess they never really go into details *shrugs*

Also, it was a subspace RIFT, not RIP And subspace weapons ARE banned for a reason Ya never know what they'll do

[TW Scott]

Uhm... that's why the Saucer Section is able to make planetary landings? That's why O'Brian was able to move DS9 with... what was it? FOUR THRUSTERS and partial shields?

Okay the saucer is capable of plenatary landing, but we see how badly they get damaged if even one thing goes wrong. And originally the saucer sections were not designed to be retreivable, just as last ditch life boat.

As for DS9 I will remind you that is not a Federation design. It is old Bajoran and even the Bajoran's cannot build another one as they lost the technology long ago.

Need I remind you of the tugs that move SHIPYARDS around?

The sipyards are modular designs that even the largest one does not have the mass or interrior volume of the Galaxy class cruiser. I would also note that when assembled the shipyard is STATIONARY.

Go back into hibernation Scott... it was nice having real conversations without you around to blather em up.

Oh, are you sick and tired of the truth coming out? Oh I'm so sorry, guess you'll just have to get used to it.

[USS Athens]

They finally renamed the thread...

[Kittamaru]

Okay the saucer is capable of plenatary landing, but swe see how badly they get damaged if even one thing goes wrong. And originally the saucer sections were not designed to be retreivable, just as last ditch life boat.

ONE THING GOES WRONG? It got hit by a fucking WARP CORE DETONATION! That's HARDLY ONE THING!

As for DS9 I will remind you that is not a Federation design. It is old Bajoran and even the Bajoran's cannot build another one as they lost the technology long ago.

What's your point? It moves... it can be studied... it can be copied.

The sipyards are modular designs that even the largest one does not have the mass or interrior volume of the Galaxy class cruiser. I would also note that when assembled the shipyard is STATIONARY.

Again, you're point? They can move... what more do you want? A warp capable station? What, pray tell, is the point of that?

Oh, are you sick and tire of the truth coming out? Oh I'm so sorry, guess you'll just have to get used to it.

No, I'm tired of your useless drabble.

[Rick]

good lord, how old is this thread? I remember i posted on this long time back ...


Rick

[Lord Vasago]

good lord, how old is this thread? I remember i posted on this long time back ...


Rick

a long long time ago
in a galaxy far far away

[TW Scott]

Okay the saucer is capable of plenatary landing, but swe see how badly they get damaged if even one thing goes wrong. And originally the saucer sections were not designed to be retreivable, just as last ditch life boat.

ONE THING GOES WRONG? It got hit by a fucking WARP CORE DETONATION! That's HARDLY ONE THING!

It got hit by a warp core detonation that was 100 kilometers distant in vacuum. Given the lack of material to carry an effective shockwave one wonders why a sublight powered vessel would even be effected at all.

And excuse me for thinking that a last ditch emergency device not be designed to withstand the most common reason for it to be deployed. I'm only practical that way.

As for DS9 I will remind you that is not a Federation design. It is old Bajoran and even the Bajoran's cannot build another one as they lost the technology long ago.

What's your point? It moves... it can be studied... it can be copied.

Actually it moved once and barely at that. Not to mention it was not sitting in a major gravity well when it did so. Yes, it might be studied, but then again that means nothing. The Federation is not assured of being able to replicate it anytime soon.

The shipyards are modular designs that even the largest one does not have the mass or interrior volume of the Galaxy class cruiser. I would also note that when assembled the shipyard is STATIONARY.

Again, you're point? They can move... what more do you want? A warp capable station? What, pray tell, is the point of that?

The point was the federation had nothing more masive than the Galaxy class starship that was capable of strategic and tactical movement. The GCS is in effect the limit of their construction technologies. They are behind the Romulans and Klingons in that regard and even thy pale next to the construction abilities of he Star Wars universe.

As for the utility of a mobile starbase. If you cant imagine that, why are continuing this argument? After all if you can't see the usefullness of mobile support systems then you obviously have no clue of strategy.

Oh, are you sick and tired of the truth coming out? Oh I'm so sorry, guess you'll just have to get used to it.

No, I'm tired of your useless drabble.

Actually i think eveyone can tell who the drabble is coming from.

[antaran_1979]

1.oh yeah what the hell is up with that ridiculous dunebuggy that picard is driving.
That is so retarded. If he needed to have a joyride why not use the holodeck ffs. But on a unknown planet ???? and the jump into the shuttle is so 'done it'.

2.@kittamaru those torpedoes in endgame sure look neat but i'm wondering about the delay. its like they enter the ship and lock on to the powersource. if so they aren't that powerfull they are just smart bombs lol. I know that they are enormously powerfull but think of it. If you have a torpedo that can enter enterprise seek the warpdrive and destroy it you have an amazing boom but the torpedo doesn't have to be all powerfull.


3.the question of course is can the scimitar be used as there is only one and it was destroyed.

1.oh don't get me started, had they made another post TNG movie, Picard and Data would have surfed alonside Silver Surfer lol!

2.i think that is the whole idea with transphasic torpedoes. they bypass all defences and strike the vulnerable systems. i.e. if you wanna blow up a death star, you need not fly through trenches or superstructure, you just shout a transphasic torp, sit back and relax

3.i hope not. if you use that well... oh heck just ignore that silly movie

[antaran_1979]

1.i took a close look at the inital volley again. it is disturbing how like 8 or 9 torpedo's can knock out the warpcore.

2.i have a question though. why doesn't the enterprise have a counter against the torpedo's ? Hell even airforce one has countermeasures when rockets are fired.
3.and it's not that the torpedo's are flying that fast. Hell the scimitar just moved out of the way of the torpedo's the enterprise fired.

4.another question i have why the scimitars torps are blue and the enterprises orange. is that to do with the yield on those things or just because they are from different manufacturors.
btw i have the same question about the lasers in SW. why some red or green and other yellow. it's nice visual effects but i don't see the point.

1.actually the core was disabled (if it was disabled at all, maybe just some EPS junctions were to disable warp drive) with just 2 shots, the rest of the torpedoes 7-11 shots were used to weaken the shield.
2. at that range it would not matter, besides the damn thing was flying straight. as to shooting them that is right out. point defence does not work on ST torpedoes. it may be something to do with 2 possibilities. eighter the torps are shielded, or which is more likely, the warp sustainer (active after every launch) acts as a highly eficient beam defence and/or CM. therefore only another torpedo can bring down a torpedo.
3.those torpedoes did not track the scimitar, they were fired at location (the last impact point)
4.that's probably purely cosmetic issue. SF had blue,red,green, again red, orange, yellow, again orange and finally again blue (in quantum torps) glows. it is probably some minor indication of the components and/or material used.

[antaran_1979]

howcome the fed's never build a really large battlecruiser ? If you look at a cube against fed vessels. can u imagine a ship with the fightcapability's of lets say ds9. they could use several warpcores to power shields, weapons and lifesupport seperatly. throw in some ablative armor and u could kick some serious borgbutt. lol.
U could even get a dockingbay for some galaxy's or whatever lol.
hmmmm image and SSD with all that woooooot.

lol, good points! i guess they never needed one. allso it's often better to build 10 ships with total power of 1 larger one, s oto avoid puting all eggs in one basquet.

[antaran_1979]

Uh... you DO realize a Borg Cube is somewhere around SEVEN kilometers per side, right?

An SSD with all that on it... would rip itself apart the second it tried to jump to lightspeed OR turn or even decelerate. Inertial Dampeners can only do so much... the laws of physics DO still exist though.

DS9 can move at warp speed... albeit like, warp .5 or something.

actually the cube is a bit more then 3km per side

[antaran_1979]

1.howmany warpcores has the enterprise laying around???

2.what the hell ?? Riker kisses Troi and she says she didn't kiss him without a beard before ??? Even i saw a few episodes where she does.

3.and what is that smoke coming out of the enterprise when she enters the cloud chased by those two ships ???? i mean before they use the gas to destroy the ships.

4.worf uses a bazooka to shoot at some fows and even a handgranate is more destuctive. if you want to disable the enemy without killing them they could just use the phaserrifles.
use the bazooka on the ships.

5.when data releases the water in the dam would the town be overflooded as it is lower than the dam?

6.if you live on the planet u keep the same age but this kicks in at adulthood ???????
and then even afther 315year there about 600people ??? damn dull life i would say. its not that the planet can't handle a babyboom ffs

7.laforce eyes ar regenarating ???? as he says he never saw a sunset means he's born this way so how can something regenarate is if was broken with birth?

uh-oh, making sence of plot kinks is a very ungreatfull thingy but here we go:
1. aperantly just one. some ships might have a spare though.

2. that's how much he ment to her

3. they might be venting drive plasma?

4.maybe the shockwave disables humanoids, and you know you need to be less precise with something that has an AoE damage then beams. oh hell they just put that scene for "coolness" :P

5.we have no idea where the vilage and the river are respectively. after all destroying Hoover Dam won't flood DC.

6.good contraception

7.maybe he was borne without one, or with a damaged optic nerv?

[antaran_1979]

Actually the answer is simple, The federation pushed it's construction technologies to he breaking point with the Galaxy class cruiser. While sovie is longer, the Galaxy does have a much greater volume.

Now structurally the Galaxy class starship cannot support it own weight in even 1 G. Without massive amounts of shielding the vessel would not even be able to move. This of course mean massive energy exenditure anytime you are not in a perfect zero gravity or you want to move even in zero gravity.

Yes, the federation is capable of building larger objects, but you will note non of them are mobile in any way shape or form.

allso a viable answer, just as good as mine

[antaran_1979]

but doesn't a rip suppose to move in two oposite directions??? so how did the others escape the rip? sealing it with the warp was neat though

the entire fighting scene was in sublight. actually every bit of footage was in sublight since they entered the Briar Patch, as for the tear, it is a mistery, we never witnised another subspace weapon as much as i remember.

[antaran_1979]

1.Okay the saucer is capable of plenatary landing, but we see how badly they get damaged if even one thing goes wrong. And originally the saucer sections were not designed to be retreivable, just as last ditch life boat.

2.As for DS9 I will remind you that is not a Federation design. It is old Bajoran and even the Bajoran's cannot build another one as they lost the technology long ago.



3.The sipyards are modular designs that even the largest one does not have the mass or interrior volume of the Galaxy class cruiser. I would also note that when assembled the shipyard is STATIONARY.



4.Oh, are you sick and tired of the truth coming out? Oh I'm so sorry, guess you'll just have to get used to it.

1.hmmm that would be a disabled saucer is capable of crash landings, we've never witnised a fully operationa one. but i suspect most starships are not designed for planetary(atmospheric) operations or landings. there is aperantly no need for that.

2.i think it's cardasian.

3.i belive the largest UFP constructs are the space docs/starbases.

4. i apoligize for my young asociate

[Kittamaru]

It got hit by a warp core detonation that was 100 kilometers distant in vacuum. Given the lack of material to carry an effective shockwave one wonders why a sublight powered vessel would even be effected at all.

Mhm, yeah, and a huge blast of every shape, form, and power of radiation wouldn't travel thru vacuum? Radioactive particles have mass... you ever see a SuperNova? That shockwave does a metric shitload of damage to everything nearby.

And excuse me for thinking that a last ditch emergency device not be designed to withstand the most common reason for it to be deployed. I'm only practical that way.

Practical like the Death Star (which failed, twice, in it's mission, the second time before it even DID anything...

Actually it moved once and barely at that. Not to mention it was not sitting in a major gravity well when it did so. Yes, it might be studied, but then again that means nothing. The Federation is not assured of being able to replicate it anytime soon.

Again, you're point? The Federation doesn't build stationary objects to be mobile... it, you know, defeats the purpose of being, oh, I don't know a Star BASE... not a Star SHIP.

The point was the federation had nothing more masive than the Galaxy class starship that was capable of strategic and tactical movement. The GCS is in effect the limit of their construction technologies. They are behind the Romulans and Klingons in that regard and even thy pale next to the construction abilities of he Star Wars universe.

It's not the limit... it's just the biggest they have gone. Why build BIGGER when you can build BETTER. Obviously you're just like the Star Wars designers (in the movies) - Bigger = Better.

As for the utility of a mobile starbase. If you cant imagine that, why are continuing this argument? After all if you can't see the usefullness of mobile support systems then you obviously have no clue of strategy.

No, I can't see the usefulness of a mobile starbase... considering they have mobile platforms and rapid-repack platforms able to fufil any role of a starbase (with the exception of holding billions of people) just as well... for 1/1000000th the cost...

Actually i think eveyone can tell who the drabble is coming from.

Yep, it's you

Never attribute to cruelty what can more adequately be explained by ignorance.

[Kittamaru]

actually the cube is a bit more then 3km per side

There's 3 types of Cubes we have seen in ST:

There's the Cube (3km)
Tactical Cube (5km)
and Planetary Assimilation Cube (7km)

Two of em were in Voy, the other in TNG (PAC)

[Kittamaru]

1.hmmm that would be a disabled saucer is capable of crash landings, we've never witnised a fully operationa one. but i suspect most starships are not designed for planetary(atmospheric) operations or landings. there is aperantly no need for that.

2.i think it's cardasian.

3.i belive the largest UFP constructs are the space docs/starbases.

4. i apoligize for my young asociate

Don't forget - Intrepid Class can (and has) landed on a planet, and that's a cruiser sized ship. I doubt most Dreadnaughts can... as that's not only impractical, but dangerous (having a multi-quadrillion ton battle-ship landing at a civilian starport WOULD be funny though)