Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

Vasago, a couple problems:

1) The star wars universe is different from the Star Trek universe for the simple fact that humanity in ST is still based around the SOL system, not the Inner Galaxy.

2) Star Wars tech is stagnant in the movies, no reason to expect otherwise outside of it.

3) Q are omnipotent, Q and MANY others have made that quite plain.

4) Star Wars is NOT the "missing link" in humanity...

5) Q are not evolved Jedi... period.

[Saquist]

I don't know...

the millenium Falcon was in First Contact.

[Kittamaru]

It was a Cameo appearance Saquist... only done because the producers had a liking and respect for Star Wars. Considering it's a fleeting likeness (not even a clear image) and we never see red or green blaster bolts impacting the cube... we can safely assume it wasn't meant to be a combatant ship nor to be seen by 99% of people

[Kittamaru]

Proof that Star Trek is greater than Star Wars (and it's IN Star Trek, and thus CANNON)

Vader... is dead!

n TNG: "Sub Rosa" we can make out the grave of a Mr. or Mrs. Vader, next to that of a certain McFly (or one of his time-traveling incarnations). The criminal Ibudan from DS9 has listed the departure from a spaceport called Alderaan in his schedule.





Here's the Falcon

[Kittamaru]

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/in...riosities2.htm

That's the site : Trek made many cameo appearances and allowed MANY series to have cameos

[Gumbias]

But then again there is no real point of reference when they say "A Long Time Ago" It could be from the point of view of the narrator which could actually be in our future. 10,000 years after the Enterprise-J. They could be the third evolution of man. The Alterans/Ancients being the obvious first.

[Kittamaru]

Uhm, no.

[Gumbias]

Sure just covering all the bases, but in any case ST wins every time.

[ProbeIke]

Oh yeah? Let's see...

The enterprise approaches coruscant. Star destroyer captures in tractor beam. Earth destroyed same as alderaan.

[Gumbias]

Oh come on now that is just silly! All the Enterprise would need to do would be to send a feed back pulse though the tractor beam, short out there entire system including shields, add a few well places Photon & Quantum Torpedoes and it becomes Super Star Dust. And I must say I think the Defiant could take out a Super Star Destroyer by herself. And while their Star Destroyers are busy A Xindi Probe drops out of Warp short of the Atmosphere of Coruscant and completely destroys the planet in just a few sec as the SF ships Warp out and the SD are destroyed by the shock wave of the explosion.

[Lord Vasago]

Vasago, a couple problems:

1) The star wars universe is different from the Star Trek universe for the simple fact that humanity in ST is still based around the SOL system, not the Inner Galaxy.

Of course ST is based around the sol system duh st come from the humans that evolved truth centuries on earth. Sw was way way back in time in a other galaxy ffs

2) Star Wars tech is stagnant in the movies, no reason to expect otherwise outside of it.
there was no need to improve tech in SW because it was sufficient to hold the galaxy in his grip, with the empire gone crime lord would provail so tech would improve enormous as they combat eathother, seems logical to me

3) Q are omnipotent, Q and MANY others have made that quite plain.

4) Star Wars is NOT the "missing link" in humanity...
of course not i was a joke but yet it could be a possibility

5) Q are not evolved Jedi... period.
same here it was mented as a joke but yet it could be a posibility

woot woot woot

[Gumbias]

And......Need I add that the empire was pretty much destroyed by a pack of friggin muppets bears.

[Kittamaru]

Oh yeah? Let's see...

The enterprise approaches coruscant. Star destroyer captures in tractor beam. Earth destroyed same as alderaan.

Surely you jest... if an ISD or even a SSD tried that move, the Enterprise would go to warp and rip the bloody emitter out of the ship, probably destroying it in the process... we all know how those things are wired...

[Kittamaru]

Indeed

[Kittamaru]

The Tarkin Instute was hidden in the Maw and collection of super black holes that would rend normal stars aprt in second. Ships could barely plot hyperspace routes through parts of it becuase of area of dead gravity where the two or more blackholes exerted the same amount of gravity in opposite directions. Still two different frieghters surived being within half a million miles of the black holes in real space. Yeah you read that right frighter.

As for yoyager escapeing a black hole. it barely escaped a singularity field where the singularities were producing only fraction of normal earth gravity. It takes 100% of ships power to take off from a 1G word. There is no way it could survive the Maw. Becuase it would not have the astronomical data SW has on it.



Medical base. No the Tarkin center was a high energy research facility




Yes and they can barely contain them. They are artifical constructs and the slightest thing gos wrong and the ship implodes. They also produce far less power than the Antimatter drives of their top speeds would be better. In other words an inefficent experiment on their part.



Actually a Megaton would not vaporize a small tonw by a long shot. It would knock one down sure, but htere would be debrics left everywhere. And you are wrong about the movies not agreeing. Never once have they fired on anything that we can estimate the power needed to destroy and failed to destroy or vaporize said object. this does mean ship and shields are out of estimation equations as we cannot be sure of the specific heat of Durasteel or Duraarmor.



Have you seen a single Capital ship weapon fired on a planet on full power? Clone Wars by the way is not considered a movie and is below both the novelizations and any reference books. It should also be of note that all games are dead last in canon.




Okay you do see the initla explosion of the impact, but this is a small fraction of the power involved. If the object is too large or sturdy to break apart with the energy of the weapon. You make see large chunks blown out of walls like in ANH, you may see long tear marks in metal walls ala ANH, you may see harded walls of a mining facility riddles with holes ala ESB. You may see tree have the bark blown off them by a near miss. All this with the low power hand weapons.

You realize the ONLY reason Star Trek ships have trouble taking off from orbit is because of the following:

1) If they used warp power, they'd most likely IRRADIATE the entire fucking planet.
2) If they used IMPULSE power (Fusion Engines) they'd do pretty much the same thing.
3) If they used Warp DRIVE via Auxilliary Generators, God HELP anyone within that HEMISPHERE as that part of the planet gets taken for the ride.
4) You realize Newtons Laws... Equal and Opposite reaction? Yeah... should you apply the force to go to near light speed (even .5c) from a dead stop, you'd likely implode a nice sized HOLE in the side of the planet. That's probably NOT what they like doing to their shipyards...

FINALLY:

You realize they take off via Manuvering Thrusters... yes, THRUSTERS. No Impulse, not Warp, THRUSTERS. Main engine startup doesn't even OCCUR until low orbit!

But I guess that slipped your mind, eh?

I say it again: Scotch, you are full of shit. So full of it I'm surprised you haven't turned midnight brown. You eat it 24/7 and seem to enjoy it... so take it somewhere else. It's over. Trek would rip every one of your pathetic ships asunder in seconds, either thru brute force, sly negotiations, interrigation, or by throwing fucking MOONS at them.

And voyager was in a black hole far FAR more gravitationally intense than a planet... have you EVER, EVER ONCE IN YOUR FUCKING LIFE heard of a BLACK HOLE with a gravity LESS than a planet? IT DOESN'T HAPPEN! Else it wouldn't be BLACK would it! It'd be a fucking WHITE hole!

Dumbass...

[fedr808]

Borg would more than likely kick the damn shit outta the empire. For starters the empire has star destroyers numbering in the tens of thousands. The borg have ships numbering in the millions. The borg have previously never ahd any problems ramming a cube and using it as a kamikazie against another ship. So worse comes to worse, the star destroyers are outnumbered, outclassed, and by far out sized. I mean come on a borg cube is massively huge.

Also for the comment that the defiant could take on an ISD. I agree. ISD's turbolasers are freaking innaccurate. They can barely hit the broadside of a barn.....from inside. The defiant probably would sustain no damage.

[Saquist]

I don't know....it is supposed to be canon when visual.

Fedr808. The Defiant wouldn't sustain damage because the turrets would little to no effect.

Now there's no garantee if they get hit by those heavy weapons.

[fedr808]

I don't know....it is supposed to be canon when visual.

Fedr808. The Defiant wouldn't sustain damage because the turrets would little to no effect.

Now there's no garantee if they get hit by those heavy weapons.

We'll probly never know because those turrets could not hit the broadside of a barn from inside, chances are the defiant would not even get hit.

[Saquist]

Obviously those big guns were made to hit much much bigger targets than Defiant.

But the way they blew up that Star Destroyer with em is incredible.

[antaran_1979]

there are a few things every one seems to forget

1.opening sentece of SW

a LONG TIMEAGO in a GALAXY far far away


SW is Past St is future

2.but all in the same universe so if ST ever would stand a chance there should be some sort of time distortian because if it would happen in ST time sw would be far more evolved than is seen in episode 6
hahaha


3.so St should not take the risk of using time. what if the human missing link is a lost ship from SW woooooooot

ST and SW being the same universe i stay with my statement that Q could be evolved Jedi. allso that there are midichorien in ST hahahaha

1. possible..... depends on the point of view, but possible

2.not likely. the creators of ET and SW hint those events are placed in the same universe and the universe in ET is not the same as ST (no voyager2+ probes, no eugenic wars).

even if SW was the distant past it is more likely they got exctinct by now since their stars went nova :P

3. hence all points under 3 are moot