11-10-08, 06:16 AM #13561
11-10-08, 07:39 AM #13562
Q are omnipotent. That is all.
11-10-08, 08:11 AM #13563
11-10-08, 08:58 AM #13564
Ive gotta say, Jean Gray, all she could do is make things fly, and people turn to dust. That's about it. Ive gotta say being able to will things into and out of existance would kick the crud outta that.
Also the arguement of a backwards effect can be falsified by the fact that the Q do not create new matter which puts pressure on the old matter. They take the old matter and make it to what they want. So if you think about the universe as a swimming pool. The arguement is that the Q make a Waterballoon and put it into the pool. What would theoretically happen is that the pool level would rise, until the point with which it would overflow. in reality the Q take the water from the pool and make the waterballoon. They are not creating new matter and putting it into the universe, they are simply using old matter to make something new.
11-10-08, 09:37 AM #13565
What does X-Men have to do with either Wars or Trek?
Well, the X-Men came into contact with the crews of TOS and TNG (the latter on two occasions), so I would say a lot.
Take a look at Memory Alpha, check for Star TreX.
Those books and comic stories are licensed canon, so I don't see why the rules don't apply to them as well. That being said, Jean Grey (from the comics, not the movies) is the physical manifestation of the Phoenix Force, which is basically "a child of the Universe" and exists to serve as the judge of life - if life is determined by the Phoenix to be obsolute, it is burned away and replaced.
Also, Phoenix is truly immortal, meaning that unlike members of the Q Continuum who have a finite beginning and can die, it existed before the universe was born and will continue to exist after the universe is gone.
In which fantasy could Phoenix even hope to compare with a Q Continuum member?
So, my question for you, given that I was referring to the Phoenix Force from the Marvel Comics title known as The Uncanny X-Men (a universe which exists due to its acknowledgment as licensed canon through 3 different sources) and given that the Phoenix Force is a multi-universe spanning entity, what chance does Q or any of his race stand against the Phoenix Force, a being which has no end and no beginning and has the power (and will use the power in a unspecified date in the distant future) to burn away the entire universe and recreate it again? The Q are powerful; but they are finite beings (they have to be born) and they can die (Quinn, anyone?), which means they are not as omnipotent as they would have people believe.
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11-10-08, 11:27 AM #13566
The relationship between all powerful and mortal is not as litteral as you propose.
11-10-08, 12:44 PM #13567
Further, members of the Q only die if they wish it, or allow it to happen. This entails LOSING the powers of the Q Continuum.
Dude, the inability to kill something does not demarcate a limitation to omnipotence. Phoenix has no power to end the life of a member of the Q Continuum either (Quinn willingly gave up his Q abilities and allowed himself to die on Voyager).
Punto Finale on this...the contributors here had agreed at somewhere in the middle of the thread to stick to official canon. X Men crossover comics unfortunately do not apply to Star Trek or Star Wars for that matter, and further, this is a Wars v Trek thread...X Men are irrelevant.
11-10-08, 03:01 PM #13568
11-10-08, 03:02 PM #13569
Likewise... we never see Q need any sort of newtonian physics "reaction" to his actions... he just does it.
Unless of course you need a different set of rules to give you some HOPE of defeating the Q... you wouldn't be the first one.
Ah... newbie tears... they replenish my energy!
11-10-08, 03:13 PM #13570
11-10-08, 03:14 PM #13571
X Men doesn't apply to this at all...
Though it' be funny as hell to see Professor X Mind-Fuck Vader or Palpatine ROFL
11-10-08, 03:52 PM #13572
11-10-08, 06:26 PM #13573
Why not just have the star wars universe sucked into a gigantic black hole? Problem solved.
11-10-08, 06:46 PM #13574
11-10-08, 09:03 PM #13575
The Metreon Cascade is initiated by Metreon Particles that the attacking SHIP utilizes. It brings them with it and/or generates them on the spot. Anything not obliterated in the initial blast suffers acute radiation poisoning that'd make Cherobyl seem like a taco fart (as far as lethality is concerned)
11-11-08, 12:52 AM #13576
a quote from Memory Alpha:
"The metreon cascade was a weapon of mass destruction designed by Dr. Ma'Bor Jetrel of the Haakonian Order. It used unstable metreon isotopes to create a devastating explosion, apparently similar to that of a nuclear weapon. The resulting radiation poisoning killed those who were not destroyed by the initial blast. Sufficient exposure to metreons resulted in the deadly disease metremia.
The metreon cascade was only used once, on the Talaxian moon of Rinax in 2356, ultimately concluding the Talaxian-Haakonian War. (VOY: "Jetrel") "
SAY NO to making things up!
no such reaction is mentioned as you see. what is stated is that you need metreon gas, and then you make something equivalent of nuclear weapon (most likely a bomb). seing how Talaxians or Haakonians are not the most feared races around it does not apear especially impressive to me. it's wicked yes, but not impressive. heck the "fat-boy" was wicked, but impressive? i don't think so. the only thing that the cascade was usefull was creating fallout. again this could be acheaved through other means.
11-11-08, 10:17 AM #13577
Okay, antaran... listen mate...
If the Talaxian Moon was COVERED in Metereon gas... NOBODY WOULD BE LIVING THERE!
Watch the episode mate... please, I beg of you.
It used unstable metreon isotopes to create a devastating explosion, apparently similar to that of a nuclear weapon
Think about that for a second...
Our Hydrogen Bomb... does it require hydrogen at the target to do it's thing?
Same idea, different unstable isotopes!
11-11-08, 11:00 AM #13578
Kitt is right on one hand...the Cascade devastated the entire population of the Talaxian moon, of which Neelix was the only survivor - due to a self admitted act of fear (he ran away on the impending invasion). The Alpha description appears to insinuate that the metreon payload is carried by the weapon fired, as opposed to metreon being present at the target site (which would be really pointless huh).
Side note: I can't remember the exact number, but I seem to remember Neelix saying it was a couple hundred thousand in the one detonation.
Given the devastation the weapon caused, I do grant antaran the point that the Haakonians would not present much of a threat...the weapon has to be carried, and neither the Haakonians or Talaxians presented any UFP level ship tech.
(What was the "fat-boy" antaran? I appear to have missed that)
11-11-08, 03:44 PM #13579
Fat boy was a bunkerbuster used, I believe, in WW2.
And Ent-D, imagine if the UFP modified Photon Torps to create Metreon Cascades... hehehe...
11-12-08, 12:45 AM #13580
i was refering to Fat Man and Little Boy bombs in WWII :P
as far as merteon cascade goes, Nelix describes it as fallout cloud that enveloped the moon after the initial blast. compare this with the blast seen in "Insurection" and you end up with large quantities of gas needed. i don't say you need it free-floating in the atmosphere but you need it to build your bomb/s. and there are more efficient ways of doing more destructive ways of harming a planetoid or its population. this goes for both brute force and foxicity factors.
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