View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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  • Star Trek

    227 33.88%
  • Star Wars

    285 42.54%
  • Spaceballs

    51 7.61%
  • Farscape

    14 2.09%
  • Dune

    54 8.06%
  • Stargate

    39 5.82%

Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #13421
    Question... who would win?

    Darth Pleigus VS. Yoda?

    Second...

    Darth Sidious VS. The Borg

  2. #13422
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enterprise-D View Post
    I'm pretty sure a Galaxy Class vessel could go toe-to-toe with another for hours. It'd be the more ingenious crew that would determine the battle direction.

    (I thought it was a Miranda...worse yet if it were Constellation lol)
    It was the same as the Stargazer, and old Connie class indeed.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Battle_(TNG_episode)

    The Picard Maneuver

    Picard ordered the Stargazer to make a short warp jump toward the attacking ship, outrunning the light of its own image coming from its previous location.[1] The Ferengi were momentarily distracted by what appeared to be a second ship coming out of warp, providing the Stargazer with enough time to destroy them.[1] The crippled Stargazer's crew abandoned ship in lifeboats and shuttlecraft and were recovered ten weeks later.[1] Picard was court-martialed but cleared of wrongdoing.[1]

    *grins* That'd fuck up an ISD's sensors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enterprise-D View Post
    Minutes??? To cycle a shield?? Even for Warsies' debatable shield technologies that seems unrealistic...why even bother with them when a strafing run might be more successful?



    Actually, Enterprise E dropped out of Warp because it was not at red alert, hence not prepared for the cloaked firepower that the Scimitar ravaged it with - i.e. Enterprise E did not get shields up in time. Had the Scimitar allowed Picard to raise shields before firing the first shot, the battle would probably have been longer, considering how much time it took for the saucer shields to fall.

    I've the DVD though, I'll double check.



    LOL get with the times! Galaxy Class is sexy!
    Ent-E FTW though...

    And no, they did NOT have shields up - the Scimitar also knew exactly where to hit them to disable them.

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    Lol, watching the new clone warps episode...

    I know EXACTLY how Trek would win:

    Hack the navi-Computers of all wars ships with hyperdrives

    Have them drive into a moon.

    Lol, dumbass... clone wars IS cannon though... and it certainly is NOT helping War's case at all.

  7. #13427
    Wait. The Borg, when first encountered, beat the crap out of the federation fleet. I dunno. The scale of the ships seems different from story to story to me. The enterprise seems to portray itself as the size of a star destroyer sometimes, but closer to the size of the millennium falcon at others. Maybe that's just the joy of TV. Star Wars vessels seem far more brobdignagian.

  8. #13428
    Quote Originally Posted by fedr808 View Post
    Well for starters the vast majority of star wars shielding blocks energy, particle based weapons but not solid objects.

    Also, antaran which side are you on? I mean you list disadvantages of star wars, you list disadvantages of star trek, what side are you on?
    sw shields don't stop solid objects ??????? The millenium falcon came out of hyperspace straight in the debri of alderan. without shields it would simply be destroyed. no armor can stand the pressure of an object hitting at that speed.
    drive the toughest tank against a mountain wall at 100mph and see what's left of it. lmao

    hey what about ST armor? i know that voyager is not the best example on defence stats but i one episode they were targetted by an low tech ship (don't really know if it were phasers or lazers but it was weak) creating a hole in theyre shield allowing ansmaller vessel to go through an hit voyager in somesort of kamikaze run. uhm didn't they lose control of voyager in that episode lmao

    imagine what a isd can acomplish. total info on St ships lmao

  9. #13429
    the Q would look at STvsSW as we do at a good war-movie. pure entertainment. btw if you in someway can uptain Q weapons they can be killed. Look at the episode where Q wants a kid with Janeway creating a cival war.
    Q are so easyly bored they just play games with ST and SW ffs.
    and SW being the new toy they probably take good care of it. tossing away the old toys. were does that leave ST????? lmao with the rest of the garbage

  10. #13430
    Oh fine then. Don't answer my geeky question

  11. #13431
    Saxion, I'm not really sure if there is any difference between them.

  12. #13432
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Vasago View Post
    sw shields don't stop solid objects ??????? The millenium falcon came out of hyperspace straight in the debri of alderan. without shields it would simply be destroyed. no armor can stand the pressure of an object hitting at that speed.
    drive the toughest tank against a mountain wall at 100mph and see what's left of it. lmao

    hey what about ST armor? i know that voyager is not the best example on defence stats but i one episode they were targetted by an low tech ship (don't really know if it were phasers or lazers but it was weak) creating a hole in theyre shield allowing ansmaller vessel to go through an hit voyager in somesort of kamikaze run. uhm didn't they lose control of voyager in that episode lmao

    imagine what a isd can acomplish. total info on St ships lmao
    Fighters dont' use shields... they use deflector screens.

    We're talking CAPITAL ship shields...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enterprise-D View Post
    1Minutes??? To cycle a shield?? Even for Warsies' debatable shield technologies that seems unrealistic...why even bother with them when a strafing run might be more successful?



    2.Actually, Enterprise E dropped out of Warp because it was not at red alert, hence not prepared for the cloaked firepower that the Scimitar ravaged it with - i.e. Enterprise E did not get shields up in time. Had the Scimitar allowed Picard to raise shields before firing the first shot, the battle would probably have been longer, considering how much time it took for the saucer shields to fall.


    3.LOL get with the times! Galaxy Class is sexy!
    1. minutes to take it down, as oposed to seconds in the shows.

    2.i re-runed the movie. E-E WAS shielded. there are at least 4-5 offscreen hits that we can acount for and then 7 external shots. 4 hit the saucer 3 hit the hull section. it is tha last 1-2 that start causing structural damage. 1 takes down the warp core, the other hits the nacelle. it takes about 1 minute to get them up again though.

    i think i posted the exact statisics some time ago.

    3. i was never a big fan of the GCS. ever since i firs saw it back in 1989 i was like: meh, what have they done to my ship? :P i guess i was to hooked up on the old Constitution. but i like the Sovereign. it's allmost as preatty as the excelsior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Vasago View Post
    sw shields don't stop solid objects ??????? The millenium falcon came out of hyperspace straight in the debri of alderan. without shields it would simply be destroyed. no armor can stand the pressure of an object hitting at that speed.
    drive the toughest tank against a mountain wall at 100mph and see what's left of it. lmao

    hey what about ST armor? i know that voyager is not the best example on defence stats but i one episode they were targetted by an low tech ship (don't really know if it were phasers or lazers but it was weak) creating a hole in theyre shield allowing ansmaller vessel to go through an hit voyager in somesort of kamikaze run. uhm didn't they lose control of voyager in that episode lmao

    imagine what a isd can acomplish. total info on St ships lmao
    i can't remember if i wached that episode. from what i know, the Intrepid class has disent shielding, but is only slightly armoured. it may be classified as a light cruiser or scout ship by TNG standards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antaran_1979 View Post
    i can't remember if i wached that episode. from what i know, the Intrepid class has disent shielding, but is only slightly armoured. it may be classified as a light cruiser or scout ship by TNG standards.
    I believe it's a light cruiser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enterprise-D View Post
    Very very easily. In the new Clone Wars series, we see Grievous' Malevolence being bombarded feverishly by 3...count em 3...ISDs commanded by our good pal Obi Wan. If they got 2 shots to land on that massive ship, I'd count that as lucky. Take a look at the last episode.

    Those ships SUCK at targeting. The Enterprise E would have more than enough time to rip apart a typical ISD before the Warsies could even get a bead on it.

    Further, that energy rating of yours has been refuted countless times on this forum. You just refuse to accept it.
    Actually unless there has been a special ruling the Clone Wars series falls in the realm of TV Specials in the realm of non-canon.

    However in the novelizations of the movies SW fleets use massive ammounts of Electronic Warfare. There's more jamming going on there there is power coming from a ST vessels warp drive. Targeting computers and scanners are largely useless in such situations. A Federation vessel would be lucky to hit itself in such an environment.

    As for the Energy ratings supplied by Doctor Curtis, approved by Lucas and Lucasfilm they are completely supported by all forms of valid canon. The refutation of someone who is not part of Lucasfilm means less than nothing.




    I honestly don't care about your fallacy comparisons. I've seen many examples of shieldless battleships, including the latest Malevolence which could not even protect its Ion Cannon, which I must say is an impressive weapon...if that slow ass bolt hits.
    I don;t care what you care about. this is a debate using the canon of both universes as facts. Again CLone Wars series is along the line of TV special non canon.

    Further, we see countless ST battles where the shields are evidenced (a good example would be ST: Nemesis, wherein Enterprise E hull hugging shields were consistently evidenced until the Scimitar's many disruptors finally penetrated). What we DON'T see all the time in ST is the shots between 100% shields and 0% shields. What we also DON'T see in SW (movies/Clone Wars) is the 100% shield state. Not even a 10% shield state! Hell, even the Clone Wars series have not evidenced battleship shields as yet. Force shields in SW appears to be limited to ground troop advancement, small ships and internal protected systems.
    Excuse me, but are you completely deaf and blind? While SW shields do not display the odd and pointless interaction that ST shields do this is not evidence of a lack. In ANH we have proof of a shield on the Tantive IV when the Turbolaser bolt strikes something above the vessel and then refracts and splinters down into the ship. We hear of shields in ESB when the Milleium falcon made their pass on the Avenger, in ROTJ the bridge shields dropped on the Exectuioner after a long bout of concentrated fire. In TPM the Federation Droid Control ship had shields too strong for the fighters weapons. In RoTS we see multitude of shields from the fresh shields on new vessels entering the fray to the depleted shields of vessels that had been in the battle much to long. Not to mention the facility shields.


    1. The Q are amorphous beings. Their human forms are for the Starfleeters' benefit. Nowhere is it stated that the Q are the future state of humans.
    Actually in the VERY FIRST episode Q claims to be putting mankind on trial. As time goes on he explains that the Q are interested, albeit slightly in mankinds development.

    2. A hazy definition of enlightened I must say Scott...you mean, the Q Continuum, would welcome a conquering warlike race, that still is susceptible to a 'dark side', dictatorships and god-awful AIs that can't see or aim?
    Actually they would welcome the challenge and change it would bring to the galaxy. It would also bring a fresh host of new things for them to explore. Since they did not stop the Dominion war they won't stop the imperial war. As for the AI thing, SW has gone beyond the positronic centuries ago. They mass produce AI that can do everything from hold a real conversation to theorhetical physics.


    3. If by some remote plausibility your confidence statement is accurate...it would be in the best interest of the Q Continuum to protect the Starfleeters from such an invasion...since they DO evolve into the Q Continuum (in your opinion).
    But they never have before. So most likely a Human invasion on humans would warrant a few bets at the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fedr808 View Post
    Okay here's what makes ST different than pretty much all other faster than light travel.
    They travel through subspace by making a bubble around their ship and than propel themselves through subspace.
    Star wars, Sg-1, SG atlantis, etc, travel through subspace by ripping a tunnel from their starting point to their end point. Than they travel through it. The borg also use a similar technique to achieve warp ten also known as infinitely fast travel.

    The difference between Sg-1 and SW is that Sg-1 shows the tunnel visibly by making a blueish vortex whilst in SW it is not visible.
    Also in star wars the ships cannot make their jump when near an object of significant gravitational mass.

    The problem with all sub space tunnels is that they can be collapsed. Now granted by the time ST figures out how to efficiently do this, it would be by the mid point of the war. But the fact remains that if ST ships can jam subspace tunnels using the deflecter dish it would destroy any ships inside the tunnel. ST has done this several times, jamming a subspace hole, only one of them actually had a ship inside but thats besides the point.

    This is probably the only reason Stargate could hold out against the empire is because they have discovered a device to jam said sub space tunnel.

    I know scott is going to make this up so NO scott, the empire's sub space engines are crappy at best, and just plain slow at worst. So i must say that if ST jams empire's ships form sub space, the empire would never know what hit them.

    And besides the fact, with or without the ability to go into sub space, the empire's sub space engines arent good at all, they go around light speed, we know this because in the dialogues the term, "make the jump to lightspeed", and "theyve gone to hyperspeed." Have been synonymous in the movie.

    Also the borg do have warp 10 capability's , which means that they pretty much go infinitely fast, so i gotta say that the empire is screwed beyond belief. You cant fight a war if you move so slowly you can never fight your opponent on your own terms.

    Because of this the Death Star makes no difference in things. I mean you may blow up a cube that didnt know what it was getting into, but after that, dodging something that is as big as the moon, and moves at a snails pace is not dificult.

    The ability to move your forces many times above your enemies will always win you the war. That's how a tank as awful as the sherman beat a masterpiece like the German Panzer in World war II. It could move very quickly and was very agilie, so when push comes to shove, the sherman out flanked the Panzer. Here's another analogy, the b-26 flying fortresses and the German fighters. The B-26 had 8 machine gun positions, how did they get annihalated? The german fighters outmaneuvered them.


    Shields. One thing trekkies forget, star wars shields do not block physical attacks. That's why the proton torpedo could pierce the shield of the death star, the shield blocks lasers not torpedos. think about it, if the shields do block physical attacks, with the shear power of the death star the shield should have annihalated the fghter when it got into the trench.

    So when push comes to shove, A massive borg cube can out run an ISD.
    Okay some technical corrections here.

    Warp Drive: Creates a warp bubbles around the craft and allows the vessel to move in real space at c+

    Transwarp drive: Creates a transwarp conduit that allows a vessel to move a few hundred times faster than the fastest warp drive.

    Hyper drive: creates a pandimensional rift that allows the vessel to slip into a parallel universe that does not conform to Einsteinian relativity. meaning you do not gain mass as you accelerate. This allows speeds in excess millions of times the speed of light,

    "Jump to Lightspeed", "Gone to Light Speed", or "Past Light": Slang terms used for describing the jump to hyperspace.

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    Here's a technical correction for you scotch:

    Quantum Slipstream - the ability to move millions of lightyears in the span of a second.

    Chroniton Drive - the ability to traverse decades instantaneously.

    Battle Droids - incompetent wannabes that make C3P0 look like a good candidate for blaster upgrades! (they can't seem to hit an IMMOBILIZED target!)

    ISD - Interstellar Space Debris

    SSD - Super Space Debris

    DS - Dead Shit

    VSD - Variable Space Debris

    Get the running gag on this...?

    Give it up scotch... we have proven your "calculations" (and I use that term VERY loosely) to be wong (haha, I made a funny) time and time again! STOP SPOUTING TRASH.

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    Oh, and here's a question - if you slip into an alternate universe via Hyperdrive... why can't you do it near a gravity well? For that matter, why can you run into stuff in realspace? If it were an "alternate" universe, you wouldn't have that problem. Oh, and also - your sensors wouldn't be blind. Why? Because obviously you're in another dimension that doesn't conform to physics, so the energy of your scanners would add their speed at Point of Exit from the vessel to the vessels current speed, thus accelerate AWAY from the vessel and be able to see ahead of it!

    Either that, or you don't have a damned clue what you're talking about.

  20. #13440
    Quote Originally Posted by antaran_1979 View Post
    i can't remember if i wached that episode. from what i know, the Intrepid class has disent shielding, but is only slightly armoured. it may be classified as a light cruiser or scout ship by TNG standards.
    The problem with voyager is that it's al alone with no way to get spareparts. so when something goes wrong they have to fix it with what the can find. So Voyager is never up to date. but i think at the end voyager starts to fix itself or something.

    allthough i do like looking at TNG i still prefer Voyager because it stays somewhat the same instead of TNG where they are weak in one episode and powerfull in the next.

    The last spinoff can't intrest me though. The enterprise is more advanced than the later ones go figure

    Of all Startrek spinoffs i like Deepspace9 the most. that spacestation is just awesome. Especially the episode where they are threatend by a whole Klingon fleet. the sheer firepower that DS9 can produce is just freaking awesome. I do believe it could hold a long time against SW. and thats just thumbs up.

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