Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

The Feds and Romulans allied in the Dominion war because the Feds tricked them into it.

The Federation is communist, plus Q hates nice things like republics.

Uhm... Feds and Rommies are allies post-nemesis...

As are the Klingons...

and most of the ALpha Quadrent...

[Cody]

GCS = Galaxy Class Starship

Warp 9.99 is roughly 7,912c

Warp 9 is, however, 1,516 c

Warp 9.9999 is 199,516 c


Warp 10 is infinite speed... and the Ent-D took that with ease when the Traveller interfaced with the ship.

According to Voyager, though, Quantum Slipstream is equal to around warp 81,250. No, that is NOT a typo... WARP 81 THOUSAND.

Figure out what that would be please... I don't care to do the math :P

The Ent-D registered the traveler's speed as Warp Ten because it wasn't used to going that fast.

If Quantum Slipstream was Warp Eighty-One Thousand, they would shot right past Earth and into another Galaxy. But that didn't happen.

[Kittamaru]

He doesn't take the EU into account, he is so stubborn he doesn't listen to rebuttals, and a bunch of other things.

You should check this page: http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/...x.php/Darkstar
Look, even if you hate SDN.

Besides, why are we arguing about ST VS SW when the vast majority of the internet, including Spacebattles, has accepted Wars will win?

The problem is, Darkstar ran the numbers... yes he argues about pointless crap, but his numbers DO add up!

And I have argued with Wong and his cronies *COUGH*TWScott*COUGH*

They are far, FAR worse than Darkstar... Wong went so far as to even attempt to HACK into Darkstars website...

[Kittamaru]

The Ent-D registered the traveler's speed as Warp Ten because it wasn't used to going that fast.

If Quantum Slipstream was Warp Eighty-One Thousand, they would shot right past Earth and into another Galaxy. But that didn't happen.

This has happened in a few Trek EU books... and Voyagers Q-Slipstream was barely a refined model... I forget what they topped out at.

[Cody]

Um... Feds and Rommies are allies post-nemesis...

As are the Klingons...

and most of the Alpha Quadrant...

They signed an armistice post-nemesis, they are not allies.

The Klingons have been allied with the Feds since 2296, or ST6.

Most of the Alpha Quadrant are member systems, yes.

[Cody]

The problem is, Darkstar ran the numbers... yes he argues about pointless crap, but his numbers DO add up!

And I have argued with Wong and his cronies *COUGH*TWScott*COUGH*

They are far, FAR worse than Darkstar... Wong went so far as to even attempt to HACK into Darkstar's website...

No, they do not. I have tried them myself.

And you were probably easily beaten, at least by Wong.

It was the other way around.

[Cody]

Remember - real life physics don't always apply here... this is Star Trek and Star Wars, Science Fiction and Science Fantasy respectively.

The ultimate question is this:

We have shown a GCS to be roughly on par with an ISD... the big difference in Trek and Wars is logistical speed... Warp vs Hyperdrive... factor in Travelers, and now Quantum Slipstream... now that oddity is balanced.

You consider a GCS and ISD's on par? What have you been smoking?

[Kittamaru]

In its first test by the Voyager crew, the Dauntless traveled fifteen light years in barely five minutes; this translates into about 1.6 million times the speed of light.

Voyager managed to traverse 300 light years during this initial operation

Several months later, in 2375, Voyager's crew discovered some benamite crystals and used the rare mineral to construct a more advanced slipstream drive. However, Voyager's technology proved inadequate to the task of navigating the slipstream at the speeds generated by the engine – nevertheless, Voyager managed to travel nearly 10,000 light years before the slipstream collapsed.

Voyager's initial implementation of slipstream technology required the starship to accelerate via impulse power to slipstream velocity, causing extreme temperature stress to the hull before a quantum slipstream was opened. This slipstream was a separate conduit from the one created by an escaping Dauntless -- Voyager required alignment calculations to merge the two slipstreams to travel to and intercept Dauntless. This merging also enabled Chakotay to fire photon torpedoes at Dauntless and utilize the transporter while in a quantum slipstream.

This is some of the info I found on q-slipstream

[Kittamaru]

They signed an armistice post-nemesis, they are not allies.

The Klingons have been allied with the Feds since 2296, or ST6.

Most of the Alpha Quadrant are member systems, yes.

Considering the actions of Picard and Denatra, it's safe to assume the Romulans and Federation would become allies... after all, the EXACT same thing happened with the Ent-C and the Klingons

[Kittamaru]

No, they do not. I have tried them myself.

And you were probably easily beaten, at least by Wong.

It was the other way around.

Actually, when I attempted to talk rationally with Wong, showing why his numbers made no sense, he started attacking my credibility and calling me a, and I quote '17 year old ingrate that should not be allowed on the internet'

[Cody]

In its first test by the Voyager crew, the Dauntless traveled fifteen light years in barely five minutes; this translates into about 1.6 million times the speed of light.

Voyager managed to traverse 300 light years during this initial operation

Several months later, in 2375, Voyager's crew discovered some benamite crystals and used the rare mineral to construct a more advanced slipstream drive. However, Voyager's technology proved inadequate to the task of navigating the slipstream at the speeds generated by the engine – nevertheless, Voyager managed to travel nearly 10,000 light years before the slipstream collapsed.

Voyager's initial implementation of slipstream technology required the starship to accelerate via impulse power to slipstream velocity, causing extreme temperature stress to the hull before a quantum slipstream was opened. This slipstream was a separate conduit from the one created by an escaping Dauntless -- Voyager required alignment calculations to merge the two slipstreams to travel to and intercept Dauntless. This merging also enabled Chakotay to fire photon torpedoes at Dauntless and utilize the transporter while in a quantum slipstream.

This is some of the info I found on q-slipstream

10,000 light years? Have you considered that ISDs travel that in minutes?

Anyway, I'm out for tonight.

[Kittamaru]

You consider a GCS and ISD's on par? What have you been smoking?

Read back about 150 pages... the numbers add up mate, they really do. I'm not shitting you.

The main Ventral array of a Galaxy Class has roughly the same output as the normal TL's of an ISD... considering the HTL's and other larger weapons would be useless against such a fast, nimble ship (the Galaxy class can maneuver much like the Y-Wings and X-Wings do, about half the agility and much much faster) the LTL's would be the only viable weapon...

[Kittamaru]

10,000 light years? Have you considered that ISDs travel that in minutes?

Anyway, I'm out for tonight.

You realize the slipstream collapsed in minutes, right? And this is a very very unstable prototype... figure what 30 years of refinement would do to that technology...

or the fact that in Endgame, Janeway shows the ability to easily travel thru time

[Sardonic Crisis]

Besides, why are we arguing about ST VS SW when the vast majority of the internet, including Spacebattles, has accepted Wars will win?

Because most of them don't take into account the Dune factor. So far, SW has not presented a good enough case to even contend with Dune.

Firepower, on the trek side of things, is actually starting to lean in Dune's favor.

[USS Athens]

10,000 light years? Have you considered that ISDs travel that in minutes?

Anyway, I'm out for tonight.

SW speeds vary so much that it isn't even to be taken seriously.

[Kittamaru]

Because most of them don't take into account the Dune factor. So far, SW has not presented a good enough case to even contend with Dune.

Firepower, on the trek side of things, is actually starting to lean in Dune's favor.

I still think Dunes foldspace weapon idea would fail due to the natural "folding" of space by the Warp Field...

[USS Athens]

The Feds and Romulans allied in the Dominion war because the Feds tricked them into it.

The Federation is communist, plus Q hates nice things like republics.

COMMUNISIM IS BETTER!

Actaully the feds are a socialism, "they no longer strive for the self aquisition of wealth".

Capitalism sucks.

[Kittamaru]

Communisim is better on paper...

Then the leader gets greedy

[Flectarn]

They signed an armistice post-nemesis, they are not allies.

The Klingons have been allied with the Feds since 2296, or ST6.

Most of the Alpha Quadrant are member systems, yes.

An armistice is when the warring parties agree to stop fighting. It is not necessarily the end of a war, but can instead be just a cease fire. It is derived from the Latin arma, meaning weapons and statium, meaning a stopping.

it would seem there has been an armistice (with periodic, incidents) since the 2200's... or else there would be no neutral zone. what we have post nemesis seems to be, a more substantial easing of relations.

[USS Athens]

The firepower you are trying to state would make the DS OBSOLETE!

DUDE! I know! That's got to be the stupidest thing about SW yet! And secondly, why destroy a planet when you can either bombard the planet or destroy everything habitable? It's planly too stupid to go to all that trouble to destroy something that can be used for your side?

Fact of the matter is:

• It is easy for an ST ship to destroy a planet
• SW needs the DS, and it completly over-does the job