05-16-08, 09:26 PM #12081
05-16-08, 09:28 PM #12082
You realize that you couldn't "add" up to that... you'd need to output that kind of energy... instantly. one shot.
Consider this - a 5 million isoton torpedo in Voyager can obliterate an entire solar system... we're talking multiple AU, not parsecs or KM like the max range of the DS Superlaser...
05-16-08, 09:28 PM #12083
05-16-08, 09:30 PM #12084
Re-read the supposed timeframe in Enterprise (or have they changed it since the first season originally aired?) They are given hand phasers and eventually upgrade to shields and shipborne phasers midway thru season 3.
However, these things dont' EXIST yet!
05-16-08, 09:31 PM #12085
iso 10 Exponent 0
"Do you see where "iso" falls in that table? It stands for 10^0, which is one! If we go by dialogue and modern units (the way Trekkies keep insisting), a 25 isoton weapon is equivalent to just 25 tons of TNT, or 0.1 TJ! You Trekkies insist on assuming that I'm being uncharitable to your side by disregarding SI unit dialogue in the canon episodes, but in fact, I am being enormously charitable to your side. If we insist on accepting Star Trek dialogue with modern units, we have no choice but to conclude that photon torpedoes are good for less than 1 TJ of energy, and that the biggest weapon in the entire Borg inventory is a 5 megaton bomb! Too bad, so sad; I guess it turns out that the Borg have less firepower than Pakistan."
05-16-08, 09:32 PM #12086
05-16-08, 09:33 PM #12087
I know it's stupid, but it's not a literal measure of power as much it is a measure of amount of explosive material
*shrugs* Hey, don't ask me, I didn't write this stuff
05-16-08, 09:33 PM #12088
05-16-08, 09:34 PM #12089
05-16-08, 09:35 PM #12090
05-16-08, 09:36 PM #12091
05-16-08, 09:37 PM #12092
Either way, it gives Dune a formidable weapon in combat. The only thing that restrained their use before was the great convention and plus it was thought that they were saved (house atomics that is) for use if humanity was ever attacked from the outside.
Now, for everyone out there. How do you think about gigaton blasts ripping through your ships? And remember that these are shaped charges which are considerably more powerful than conventional atomics since the payload of regular ones expand spherically depleting the energy output.
1 stone burner = 15 photon torps or 7 to 8 quantum torps
and this is just a modest estimation.
Last edited by Sardonic Crisis; 05-16-08 at 09:48 PM.
05-16-08, 09:37 PM #12093
Remember - real life physics don't always apply here... this is Star Trek and Star Wars, Science Fiction and Science Fantasy respectively.
The ultimate question is this:
We have shown a GCS to be roughly on par with an ISD... the big difference in Trek and Wars is logistical speed... Warp vs Hyperdrive... factor in Travelers, and now Quantum Slipstream... now that oddity is balanced.
05-16-08, 09:41 PM #12094
If Wong is biased, you should see DarkStar and JMSpock. JM contradicts himself a lot, saying "Anything that moves in space and is operated" is a starship, yet saying the Death Star is not a Starship.
I have yet to see these 'low tech' scenes yet.
I would erase Wong's bookmark if you delete DarkStar, because he argues with both staff of Paramount and Lucas Films about various things...
05-16-08, 09:42 PM #12095
05-16-08, 09:42 PM #12096
05-16-08, 09:43 PM #12097
Run the numbers that DarkStar has and see if you get the same results. When I did it, I came in slightly under what his were all around, but he was assming best case scenarios and not taking into account the 5% inefficiency I slapped around.
05-16-08, 09:45 PM #12098
05-16-08, 09:49 PM #12099
Warp 9.99 is roughly 7,912c
Warp 9 is, however, 1,516 c
Warp 9.9999 is 199,516 c
Warp 10 is infinite speed... and the Ent-D took that with ease when the Traveller interfaced with the ship.
According to Voyager, though, Quantum Slipstream is equal to around warp 81,250. No, that is NOT a typo... WARP 81 THOUSAND.
Figure out what that would be please... I don't care to do the math :P
05-16-08, 09:49 PM #12100
You should check this page: http://www.stardestroyer.net/mrwong/...x.php/Darkstar
Look, even if you hate SDN.
Besides, why are we arguing about ST VS SW when the vast majority of the internet, including Spacebattles, has accepted Wars will win?
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