Star Wars vs Star Trek

[SkywalkerJedi]

Actually, Voyager didn't have a Q aboard... what the hell are you talking about?

Sun Crusher is a non entity - we'll simply transport the damn thing and wipe the pattern buffer. Bye Bye lil super ship of doom.

Yes yes, Q want to mate with Janeway and don't get aborad.( a joke )

[SkywalkerJedi]

So can a Star Trek shuttlecraft, and it's even SMALLER.

Trilithium device anyone? HELLO! Size doesn't matter...

I never seen a shuttle make a supernova.

[SkywalkerJedi]

1) Prove it can do that without the ancient race...
2) No one in Star Wars knows where the Milky Way is... that's like saying some American in France knows where to find Belgium Waffles... it makes no SENSE!
3) You realize they don't just TRADE with outsiders, especially something that important.
4) No, they won't. And even if they use the Falcon, they'll know it's armed.
5) No, they won't... I dont' expect you to understand Federation policy... or any policy that makes sense.
6) Not really...

1) They can do it, they did it after the Celestrials left
2) Well, I would just ask a random person on the street to find out if Americans know, there is something called asking
3) So it have to be Errant Venture ?

[Saquist]

Star Wars shields are very very close to the hull.

And very useless against fighter firepower.

[SkywalkerJedi]

And very useless against fighter firepower.

No, most cruiser+ ships can take alot of starfighter firepower with shields down.

[Sardonic Crisis]

1. dunno. as i said the barrier is a mystery to me.
2. could be. still i always have truble with calculations that involve the planet's mantile. to simply blow it up is easy, but to actually drill though it... i don't know. maybe it uses the folding effect to divert the energy? nah it would be said so. i'll think about it.

I used minimum specs for it. The volcanic eruption of Thera is estimated at 600 megatons. I figured that if a shaped nuclear charge towards the planet of that magnitude might be enough to burn through 1800 miles(or is it km?) to the mantle. It would probably take a lot more to ignite the core.

[Flectarn]

Tech Manuls are canon because it is liciened by Lucasfilm.

Heh... i didn't know lucasfilm was lisencing star trek tech manuals now

[antaran_1979]

Quad Turbolasers acully composed of four Heavy Turbolasers. Quad Turbolasers fire at a very high rate compared to the turbolaser turrets on the Death Star. Almost all the planets ( I don't know about Naboo and the primitive planets ) have planetary shields, and all of the planets have planetary defence force and the Alliance to Restore the Republic fleets for defence. Plus the Imperials never felt the need to destroy a planet thats not overflowed with Rebel activity. The Republic never felt the need to destroy any planet, because it used to be their own and they want to take it back not destroy it, plus the Senate will never agree to it. The CIS never destroyed a planet because they don't have a Star Destroyer, but they do have more powerful Lulhulk-class Battleships they never destroyed a plante under the orders of Palpatine and the Republic Navy is too powerful for them. If the Imperials destroyed a planet, other planetary govenments or people will more likey side with the Alliance to Restore the Republic, thats what happened after the destruction of Aldereen.

you lost the point. if they can blast it with few ISDs they would not build a DS.

[antaran_1979]

Most of Star Wars' star charts are holograms, because it id 3D.

well duh!!! this has nothing to do with acuracy though...

[antaran_1979]

It sounds like that you thought the Republic's neighbores are very peacful.

i thought i sounded like the republic had 20000 years to chart the galaxy unlike the UFP that had like 200.

[antaran_1979]

Star Wars shields are very very close to the hull.

and how does this negate his comments?

[antaran_1979]

The Sun Crusher is just a prototype, they can make a fleet of them. Also you forgot about Centerpoint......

and they would all be "deleted". and noone forgot the Centersomething, it's still heanging around in Corellia

[antaran_1979]

I got even better proof:
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Planetary_shields

Exactly, just a we said, the shields were overwhelmed.

interesting claim. why was the shield up?

[antaran_1979]

1.There is more then a billion. The Stromtrooper Corps consists of clones and normal humans
2. No, one is the story he made and one is the continued story. He said himself that his stroy is only one of the stories about Star Wars
3. I forgot sorry, my mistake. Anyways how do you explain Grand Admiral Thrawn and others?
4. It is during the Republic
5. The artificial gravity well is not permenant, it is temporary
6. So thats why they need ships to coordinate the fleet first before firing
7. No, it affects the neighboring systems too.

1.i said i.e. 100 billion... thats like you know more then a billion?
2.but in some instances his story contradicts the rest of the universe. does SW streach in multiple paralel universes (like Marvel or DC comics)?
3.you show a lot of cinfidence for someone that makes so much mistakes. there is nothing confusing about an admiral being in comand of a ship. during war he is suposed to command the fleet from a ship, station or HQ, depends on the situation, but there is always one admiral per task force/fleet allthough a fleet may consist of multiple task forces each with a subcommander. however individual coand of a ship alaway falls to the ranks of commander, captain or comodore.
4.i though we were refering the coruption of the senate during Palapatine's days.
5.so what? just generate a new one each time. the point is SW does not use this method so there must be a reason they don't.
6.and that's why its use is diminished. besides they can't fire wherever so it's pointless.
7.affacts not destroys. a real supernova destroys preatty much everything within 30+ly

[antaran_1979]

1.I never seen a Galaxy Class or Voyager do that. Oh, this is what you will say " Federation laws prevented it ", how about when they are at war?


2.Exactly, you are very predicble, I perdicted long ago you use that website for your arguments and sources. Proton Tropedos are crap compared to even LTLs or even some high yeild Concussion Missiles.

3.Tech Manuls are canon because it is liciened by Lucasfilm.

1.well the US were in war with Vietnam and Iraq and they did not use weapons of mass destruction. only psychos use them.
2.the site does not matter. the screen caps on that site are directly used from "Voyager" and "TNG" thus the caps are canon and so the torpedoes and their destructive power are canon.
3. he was refering to the ST TNG and DS9 tech manuals which are not canon.

[antaran_1979]

I never seen a shuttle make a supernova.

but you've seen the trilitium device did you? it's the size of a table and Data and Geordy got a detaled scan of it. they can load it on any kind of a missile/ship

[antaran_1979]

I used minimum specs for it. The volcanic eruption of Thera is estimated at 600 megatons. I figured that if a shaped nuclear charge towards the planet of that magnitude might be enough to burn through 1800 miles(or is it km?) to the mantle. It would probably take a lot more to ignite the core.

i agree. does the rest of the dune offer more clues about what they consider to be "ignition" of the core. is ti a raise in core's temperature or a chain reaction on some (atomic/molecular/subatomic) level?

[Cody]

False - here is proof of this.

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWalderaan.html

He goes quite in depth about this subject... Alderaan did NOT have a planetary shield... if it DID, said shield did absolutely NOTHING.

that "glow" is the atmosphere vaporizing... considering the massive amount of energy you need to completely dis-assemble a planet like that, this is not surprising at all.

I can't believe you guys listen to DarkStar. Seriously.

If it WAS the atmosphere vaporizing, why didn't we see it over the WHOLE planet? Besides the hit was bluish; when do atmospheres glow blue when something hits them?

[USS Athens]

I can't believe you guys listen to DarkStar. Seriously.

If it WAS the atmosphere vaporizing, why didn't we see it over the WHOLE planet? Besides the hit was bluish; when do atmospheres glow blue when something hits them?

Why would you speculate that it was?

[Cody]

False and, again, false.

Proof 1: Star Trek, Insurrection - Picard was beamed to, and later from, the Collection Array while the Arrays shields were still up because the ship was able to get close enough and boost the signal strength enough to manage. It's not that they cannot do it, it just becomes more dangerous - after all, YOU try being sub-atomicly dis-assembled...

Proof 2: Borg - they can beam through shields quite easily

Proof 3: Star Wars shields have not shown the ability to block even whole SHIPS flying through them... case in point - the Falcon landing on the back of an ISD while it was in an asteroid belt.

How big was the array before I answer?

Borg beam through the E-D's shields a lot, alright; WHEN THE SHIELDS ARE DOWN. Example: in "Q Who?" Riker had ordered the shields down. The Borg proceeded to beam through. The beam into the E-E while it's shields were down in FC.

Oh right; Star Wars can't block other ships coming through. WRONG. The Executor blocked three ships coming through Hyperspace that flew into it.



Plus, there were asteroids bigger than the MF in the Hoth asteroid field that the ISDs and other assorted craft blocked.



Also, the ISD shields were down from Hoth's murderous asteroid field, allowing it to land.