Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

Skywalker - Centerpoint destroys a single system, yay for it.

Supernova destroys a 10-14 parsec area of space...

VOYAGER took a SUPERNOVA to the face and didn't FLINCH!

Thus, logic dictates, Voyager could easily survive Centerpoint.

I dismiss Centerpoint as a childrens toy in Trek speak...

[antaran_1979]

Why doesn't the Federation even have a map? They must me very unwise of them. Republic will just need what the Federation have. Then Republic just give the Federation a small quantity of Bacta.

as much as iknow they dpn't have a map if the galaxy because they have not explored it entirely. during the days of early TNG they had explored some 10-15% of the galaxy, probably with heavy use of sub-space telescopes. unlike the republic that existed for thousands, more likely tens of thousands of years, FTL capable Earth and UFP has been around for only 2-3 centuries. hardly enough time to explore the entire galaxy. especialy when surounded by hostile neighbours (they were originaly at war with the Klingons, Romulans and the Cardasians).

[Enterprise-D]

Why doesn't the Federation even have a map? They must me very unwise of them. Republic will just need what the Federation have. Then Republic just give the Federation a small quantity of Bacta.

as much as iknow they dpn't have a map if the galaxy because they have not explored it entirely. during the days of early TNG they had explored some 10-15% of the galaxy, probably with heavy use of sub-space telescopes. unlike the republic that existed for thousands, more likely tens of thousands of years, FTL capable Earth and UFP has been around for only 2-3 centuries. hardly enough time to explore the entire galaxy. especialy when surounded by hostile neighbours (they were originaly at war with the Klingons, Romulans and the Cardasians).

Incorrect. The United Federation of Planets does indeed have a map of itself (an example of it is used in the Stellar Cartography room accessed in Star Trek Generations). That was the answer to Skywalkerjedi's question.

With respect to the Trek galaxy...the UFP might not have explored its entirety, however the Alpha and Beta quadrants are by and large mapped and documented. The Gamma and Delta quadrants are partially mapped largely thru the efforts of Sisko and Janeway's people respectively.

[antaran_1979]

not exactly well explored. the eposide"Encounter at Farpoint" is locate at Deneb "beyond weach lies a great unexplored region of the galaxy" is well inside the Alpha Quadrant. so even the Apha quadrant is not explored properly. it is my guess that after each peace treaty the major powers draw their borders in the way that thier "oficial" theritory encompases large unexplored areas. this would explain why they are never far from home and still exploring the unknown.

[Enterprise-D]

Whether or not you define the quadrants as well explored, the UFP has a detailed map of itself (i.e. UFP planets, the Klingon Empire, distances, anomalies, appropriate shift factors etc). It was incorrect to assert that the Federation has no map.

[antaran_1979]

Whether or not you define the quadrants as well explored, the UFP has a detailed map of itself (i.e. UFP planets, the Klingon Empire, distances, anomalies, appropriate shift factors etc). It was incorrect to assert that the Federation has no map.

i belive my wording was map of the galaxy- galactic map

[Enterprise-D]

i belive my wording was map of the galaxy- galactic map

I just read the rest of the discussion regarding this "map". Like I said, the UFP indeed has a detailed map of itself and maps of the known/explored galaxy.

Further, as Kitt said, unexplored regions are no worries since their sensors capture necessary data for Stellar Cartography or the equivalent starship section. Map generation is an evolutionary career in the UFP, esp considering galatic shifts, random anomalies etc.

And as I've stated, the Stellar Cartography facility indicates mapping technology is available to the UFP. Missing portions of a map does not indicate the absence of the map or the discipline altogether.

[Cody]

VOYAGER took a SUPERNOVA to the face and didn't FLINCH!

Which Episode?

[SkywalkerJedi]

If you REALLY want to get Technical... Episode 1-3 are non cannon...

There are NINE books total - they are the ORIGINAL Star Wars before Lucas even came along. Those are TRUE CANON and nothing can ever override them.

We will get another G-Canon resource in Augest 15th. Star Wars: The Clone Wars movie is comming out . Epidsode 1-3 are canon so is Expaned Universe. George Lucas have to approve it to be EU. George Lucas created Star Wars, and he is the president of Lucasfilm so if he approved it, it is canon .

[SkywalkerJedi]

Uhm... only two problems.

They said small PLANET, not Planetoid...

AND

In Wars, they are prone to serious exageration... in Trek, especially when talking about combat capability, they generally DONT do that...

Nope, you wanted to play like this so I will play like this. Pluto was a planet before 2006, there are moons bigger then it, and Voyager is made before 2006. And a small Pluto will be very very small.

[SkywalkerJedi]

1) Fine, Centerpoint is out, but now has no POWER as the planets did not come with it...
1.5) They don't know where the Milky Way IS
2) Uh, no. That won't work... sorry. Federation sensors are a bit too advanced for that. That and why would they need Bacta? They can heal wounds far more effectively than Bacta... though Bacta works on SLIGHTLY more damaging wounds... Borg Nanites, though, are even MORE effective.
3) Again, wouldn't work... sensors would pick up weapons emplacements, hyperdrive, etc...
4) No, they don't need bacta...
5) Again, what do they have to Trade...

1) Centerpoint can just move a random star, so it will have more power then befor
2) Then there will be no point of this discussion, someone have to know where Milky Way is
3) They have plenty of this to trade, let me see........... a map of Rishi Maze perhapes.
4) So the Federation won't trade with hyperspace capable ships? or armed ships ? No, no I never said they will use a Star Destroyer to go trade, the Millienium Falcon will do fine
5) I bet the Federation will want a map of another galaxy ( Republic will give the Federation a map of Rishi Maze )
6) A map for a map, even trade

[SkywalkerJedi]

Uhm... Several Hundred KM is NOT 100Km...

it's... you know... 300+ km...

And no, Quad Turbolasers cannot destroy a 100km radius asteroid... or else the DS would go up like a roman candle... hell, the Eclipse 2 wasn't even 20km... and quad turbolasers couldn't touch it...

I mean 60 shots, do you know how fast they fire?
Death Star destroy planets with one shot on planets with shields. Eclipse have superstrong shields. And Eclipse' Superlaser will just destroy any ships comming it's way, so you ddon't want to get too close to it.

[SkywalkerJedi]

I never said that... I said it couldn't do most of the bullshit you say it can. Hell, all my friends (who like Star Wars far better than Star Trek) say you are a grade A retard for the crap you have posted... sorry, but you just fail at arguing... you base points on... no basis... period.

Because they don't know EU .

[SkywalkerJedi]

They dont' need a map... they can generally, you know, scan the area where they wish to go... and get there quick. It's rather hard to "map" 3D space... especially when objects are... you know... MOVING!

Yes, surprising to learn that things in space dont's it still, isn't it!

No, not suprised at all. Infact Star Wars have a very acuate star chart of it's galaxy. It is a hologram.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Skywalker - Centerpoint destroys a single system, yay for it.

Supernova destroys a 10-14 parsec area of space...

VOYAGER took a SUPERNOVA to the face and didn't FLINCH!

Thus, logic dictates, Voyager could easily survive Centerpoint.

I dismiss Centerpoint as a childrens toy in Trek speak...

Yes, yes. Voyager have a Q aborde when it took a supernova. Yeah, the Q didn't help at all ( I am being sarcastic ). Infact a superweapon is Star Wars can do it, the Sun Crusher.

[SkywalkerJedi]

as much as iknow they dpn't have a map if the galaxy because they have not explored it entirely. during the days of early TNG they had explored some 10-15% of the galaxy, probably with heavy use of sub-space telescopes. unlike the republic that existed for thousands, more likely tens of thousands of years, FTL capable Earth and UFP has been around for only 2-3 centuries. hardly enough time to explore the entire galaxy. especialy when surounded by hostile neighbours (they were originaly at war with the Klingons, Romulans and the Cardasians).

Republic have been at alot of wars. Here is a list :

Wookiepedia
Galactic eras
"I don't think there's ever been a time in our recorded history when there wasn't a war going on somewhere."
―Jacen Solo[src]
[edit] Pre-Republic era conflicts
Rakatan Civil War (25,200 BBY)
Hutt-Xim conflict (25,105–25,100 BBY)
Force Wars (25,100–25,000 BBY)
Unification Wars c.(25,000 BBY)
[edit] Old Republic era
First Great Schism (24,500 BBY)
Tionese War (24,000 BBY)
Duinuogwuin Contention c.(15,500 BBY)
Pius Dea Crusades (12,000–11,000 BBY)
Hundred-Year Darkness (also known as the Second Great Schism) (7,000–6,900 BBY)
Great Hyperspace War (5,000 BBY)
Old Sith Wars (4,015–3,951 BBY)
Great Droid Revolution (4,015 BBY)
Great Sith War (4,000–3,996 BBY)
Mandalorian Wars (3,976–3,960 BBY)
Jedi Civil War (3,959–3,956 BBY)
First Sith Civil War (3,956–3,955 BBY)
First Jedi Purge (3,955–3,951 BBY)
Second Sith Civil War (3,951 BBY)
New Sith Wars c.(2,000–1,000 BBY)
[edit] Rise of the Empire era
Mandalorian Civil War (60–34 BBY)
Stark Hyperspace War (44 BBY)
Yinchorri Uprising (32 BBY)
Invasion of Naboo (32 BBY)
Separatist Crisis (24–22 BBY)
Clone Wars (22–19 BBY)
Great Jedi Purge (19–0 BBY/ABY)
Galactic Civil War (2 BBY–19 ABY)
[edit] Rebellion era
Galactic Civil War (continued)
Nagai-Tof War (4 ABY)
[edit] New Republic era
Galactic Civil War (continued)
Imperial Civil War (4–12 ABY)
Black Fleet Crisis (16–17 ABY)
Almanian Uprising (17 ABY)
First Corellian Insurrection (18 ABY)
Second Imperium Crisis (23 ABY)
(All are concurrent)

[edit] New Jedi Order era
Yuuzhan Vong War (25–30 ABY)
Swarm War (36 ABY)
[edit] Legacy era
Confederation-Galactic Alliance War (40 ABY)
Sith-Imperial War (127–130 ABY)
Anti-Sith Insurgency (137 ABY—)

The Republic was almost destroyed. That is alot of wars being fought, and the Republic surrived.
( My list only have MAJOR conflicts )

[SkywalkerJedi]

Incorrect. The United Federation of Planets does indeed have a map of itself (an example of it is used in the Stellar Cartography room accessed in Star Trek Generations). That was the answer to Skywalkerjedi's question.

With respect to the Trek galaxy...the UFP might not have explored its entirety, however the Alpha and Beta quadrants are by and large mapped and documented. The Gamma and Delta quadrants are partially mapped largely thru the efforts of Sisko and Janeway's people respectively.

Star Wars even have it's satillite galaxies mapped.

[SkywalkerJedi]

1.then you do know that for every lieutenat there are at least 40 grunts right?
2.so Lucas is wrong?
3.rarely? on all the ships except the SSD all commanding oficers were captans and you call that rarely. had you any common sence or knowlidge you'd know that admirals are incharge of fleet operations.
4.the jedi are not senators. we were discussing the senat. actually Palpatine's grip over the senat was strong even in PM.
6.i mean they can't move the blody thing unless its powered!!!
7.it's not a question of bringing them in or out. the fact is both sides have them and using them in battle would most likely harm the civilians more than the military.
8. well not quite. i'll give you the map of my country. can you find me by using it? it's a rather small country. if you had no knowlidge of European geography or wordl map yourself, there was no way you could.

P.S. to help you out on the level of destruction a super nova would cause: EVERYTHING in the system (and if you are not lucky even the neighbouring systems) gets turned into gas and spread out across several hundreds light years. some scientific estemates claim that even a 10 parsecs (32.6 ly) distance from the supernova is a very dangerous place to be.

1. I know, but do you know what many Stromtroopers are in the Stormtrooper Corps ?
2. He is right, it is just his part of Star Wars end in Anakin's death
3. Let me find some examples : Ozzle, Piett ( before his command of the SSD ), Thrawn, and almost every Admiral. The Captains on the Star Destroyers are diffrently trained, even Baron Fel didn't command a Star Destroyer
4. All the Chancellers were Jedi before Seventh Battle of Ruusan, and the Jeid have a important place in the Senate. There is still Jedi Chancellers after Ruusan, but not as much
5. It can create a artifical gravity well to drain apon, or they just move the planet right beside the Centerpoint
6. If you give me the name of the country yes. I am in United States now, and if you give me the name of the country I bet a random person on the street can find it
7. I agree, civilian more then Military, but Centerpoint have an advantage, it can target a big fleet and thousands of ships are gone
8. Sun Crusher can make a supernova no problem ( 1 shot ) and it is the size of a starfighter

[Kittamaru]

We will get another G-Canon resource in Augest 15th. Star Wars: The Clone Wars movie is comming out . Epidsode 1-3 are canon so is Expaned Universe. George Lucas have to approve it to be EU. George Lucas created Star Wars, and he is the president of Lucasfilm so if he approved it, it is canon .

DUDE! George Lucas is NOT the one in charge! Lucas Films is nothing without the say so of the ORIGINAL WRITER of the 9 books!

Yes, read and weep - Lucas is NOTHING.

That surprised the hell out of me to find out, but he's not the guy in charge.

[Kittamaru]

Nope, you wanted to play like this so I will play like this. Pluto was a planet before 2006, there are moons bigger then it, and Voyager is made before 2006. And a small Pluto will be very very small.

Uh, no, fuck you good day.

They said small planet... PLUTO was a Tiny planet.

Small refers to, you know, Mercury sized and up.

And do you know how much energy it'd take to blow up even pluto?