Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Kittamaru]

Here you go, he is one with the force. He is a force ghost and can still interfer, and he is invincible.

No, he isn't. He just ceases to exist.

He didn't die... even his spirit is wiped with the buffer.

You can't try to say a transporter doesn't move your spiritual being as well... or else Star Trek would have a LOT of spiritless, mindless, zombies...

as they don't, the spirit goes with.

Thus, your spirit is also lost when the buffer is wiped.

Right?

[Kittamaru]

Next time try better arguments.

Uhm, your points aren't valid mate... for these reasons:

1) I don't care about pulling ships OUT of hyperspace... what I'm talking about is stopping them from ENTERING hyperspace. A Trek tractor could do that with incredible ease.

2) Call in a dozen more ISD's if you wish - a Galaxy class is not likely to be on it's own. Even if it were, the recent upgrades thanks to the Dominion War would likely mean that, witholding weapons fire, a Galaxy class could effectively "turtle" inside it's shield bubble and wait for reinforcements.

Then again, given the power outputs we've gone over a dozen times, a few photon torpedoes to the bridge and each ISD is dead in the water...

3) I don't care if it's not on at all... when they DO turn it on to full power, every piece of space debris, dust, and even other large starships would get sucked into them. As that doesn't happen, obviously the gravity well is not THAT strong. It may not even BE a gravity well - I've heard it's a simple mass shadow... that it's not even real, just fools the hyperspace sensors!

[Kittamaru]

1) Again I said full potencial. And his suit weakened his powers, and he is only 20 when he got the suit and 40 when he died

Okay, prove to me that the suit weakened him... that is NEVER mentioned at all. In fact, if anything, it should HELP him as it's supposed to be an "advanced biogenic suit" capable of total life support, right?

Or are you saying that makes him weaker... as Vaders suit was, arguably, far better than ANY stormtroopers suit, that would explain the sheer patheticness of most stormtroopers...

[Kittamaru]

I ment, it can't suck a system in a second, or even a star. The Millienium Falcon is just a light freighter and it got in a balckhole cluster.

Uhm, a black hole sure as hell could suck in a system in a second IF the system came in contact with it... however, as most black holes are rather isolated due to the, rather, extreme circumstances to their creation... you know>

And did the Falcon fly INTO the EVENT HORIZON and survive? I do not think so... plus it is HARDLY a light freighter anymore... Han has some weird shit on that boat.

[Kittamaru]

They got a lock on and it went to hyperspace.

No, they didn't. Either that or the Falcon was a more powerful ship than the ship trying to tractor it.

Look, in the MOVIES we have proof of the Falcon not being able to escape a tractor beam once caught in it... that overrides your book anyway. I was simply trying to make sense out of WHY they would say it could escape - either it didn't catch the falcon 100%, or there was something seriously wrong, or, as with most EU, it's simple fanboy wank that goes against the movies.

[Kittamaru]

The Federation will be thinking " Why does these midiclorians have massive energy readings? Mabey it's just a race that can use telephathic or telekenisis powers."

No, they WON'T. This is NOT the Imperial Guard or any of those idiots on the Star Wars side... Trek has a specific set of regulations they MUST follow when dealing with an unknown species!

[Kittamaru]

Centerpoint have that kind of power. All they have to do is to rip a hole in the universe.

Do you have any idea what that would do... it would make an area of space I don't WANT to calculate around the blast uninhabitable... it'd render ALL space flight thru that SECTOR impossible! It would shift stars, asteroid belts, planets... entire SOLAR SYSTEMS would move because of ONE blast.

Have they fired Centerpoint before? Did those effects occur? No? Then Centerpoint does NOT do that!

I just call it a blast, it creats a gravitational field thats super super strong.

Fine, but that'd have no effect at all on a Star Trek vessel... again, they can easily break away from a black hole, they can resist Centerpoint. AT MOST it may strain the shield grid a little.

It said exactly in the book it is a black hole.
Then the book is wrong... because a Black Hole doesn't act like that. Remember, we are talking Science Fantasy written before we really knew what Black Holes were all about

PLEASE use some logic man... what you are claiming is, physically, impossible!

[Kittamaru]

It don't have to hit, Centerpoint have a effect range of millions of kilomteres at full power. Galaxy Gun can be used to hit planets. Centerpoint is used to attack fleets and Galaxy Gun is used to attack planets.



You mean Force Sensitive < Q


Q don't get involved in human affairs.
If you want to do each side, it'd be
Republic/CIS can take all of the Federation's allies out. And the Alliance to Restore Republic and Galactic Federation of Free Alliances will never side with the Federation, and they already sided with the Imperial Renmants, scince it is a member state of the Galactic Alliance..

The Republic / Rebels would JOIN the Federation to fight the Empire... and yes, if we do ALL TREK vs ALL WARS, the Q would fight as they are part of Trek. Period. There is NO debate.

If you want to take the superpowers out, fine - I'd be happy to debate Federation/Romulan/Klingon/Vulcan/etc vs Imperial Fleets/Rebel Squadrens/etc. No skin off my nose

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Pick a design - Trek vs Wars total war (all Trek vs all Wars) or Trek vs Wars alliances (each side acting as it truly would based on the movies)

[SkywalkerJedi]

[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1854126]

Uhm... your point?

They have both...

Protoss units have Shield HP and armor (or health) points.

Once the armor (or health) points reach zero, the unit asplodes.

Like every terran and zerg units.

Just terran and zerg units don't have shields.

Protoss don't die, they teleport before they die. Anyways infantry shields don't come back.

[SkywalkerJedi]

No, he isn't. He just ceases to exist.

He didn't die... even his spirit is wiped with the buffer.

You can't try to say a transporter doesn't move your spiritual being as well... or else Star Trek would have a LOT of spiritless, mindless, zombies...

as they don't, the spirit goes with.

Thus, your spirit is also lost when the buffer is wiped.

Right?

Wrong, he become oen with the Force.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Uhm, your points aren't valid mate... for these reasons:

1) I don't care about pulling ships OUT of hyperspace... what I'm talking about is stopping them from ENTERING hyperspace. A Trek tractor could do that with incredible ease.

2) Call in a dozen more ISD's if you wish - a Galaxy class is not likely to be on it's own. Even if it were, the recent upgrades thanks to the Dominion War would likely mean that, witholding weapons fire, a Galaxy class could effectively "turtle" inside it's shield bubble and wait for reinforcements.

Then again, given the power outputs we've gone over a dozen times, a few photon torpedoes to the bridge and each ISD is dead in the water...

3) I don't care if it's not on at all... when they DO turn it on to full power, every piece of space debris, dust, and even other large starships would get sucked into them. As that doesn't happen, obviously the gravity well is not THAT strong. It may not even BE a gravity well - I've heard it's a simple mass shadow... that it's not even real, just fools the hyperspace sensors!

1) The ISD will just give the shields some heavy pounding before their reinforcments arrive. Star Wars will likely use their Hyperdrive as their advantage and prey on fleets thats too far from the nearest reinforcments
2) Their shields can take photon tropedos with ease
3) They rarly put it on full power. It is a gravity well stronger then the sun ( at full power ). Thats what they do the suck larger starships.

[USS Athens]

2) Their shields can take photon tropedos with ease

What's your proof of this!?!

[SkywalkerJedi]

Okay, prove to me that the suit weakened him... that is NEVER mentioned at all. In fact, if anything, it should HELP him as it's supposed to be an "advanced biogenic suit" capable of total life support, right?

Or are you saying that makes him weaker... as Vaders suit was, arguably, far better than ANY stormtroopers suit, that would explain the sheer patheticness of most stormtroopers...

He can't use most lightsaber combat technics, and he is slow.

[SkywalkerJedi]

What's your proof of this!?!

Proof to me that they can't?

[Renrue]

SkywalkerJedi,

Protoss don't die, they teleport before they die. Anyways infantry shields don't come back.

Please stick your Brood Wars disc back in your CD drive and go play some StarCraft. This is it, the entire concept right here, right now:

ALL Protoss units have shields. ALL Protoss shields regenerate. ALL Protoss buildings, ships, machines, and yes, INFANTRY have regenerating shields. It does not matter how SLOW you think it is. They regenerate. Ergo, they come back. That's it. That's the WHOLE mechanic that is in the game. There are no single exceptions.


[Renrue]

[SkywalkerJedi]

Uhm, a black hole sure as hell could suck in a system in a second IF the system came in contact with it... however, as most black holes are rather isolated due to the, rather, extreme circumstances to their creation... you know>

And did the Falcon fly INTO the EVENT HORIZON and survive? I do not think so... plus it is HARDLY a light freighter anymore... Han has some weird shit on that boat.

Han and Lando, not just Han. Errant Venture can do it too.

[SkywalkerJedi]

SkywalkerJedi,

Please stick your Brood Wars disc back in your CD drive and go play some StarCraft. This is it, the entire concept right here, right now:

ALL Protoss units have shields. ALL Protoss shields regenerate. ALL Protoss buildings, ships, machines, and yes, INFANTRY have regenerating shields. It does not matter how SLOW you think it is. They regenerate. Ergo, they come back. That's it. That's the WHOLE mechanic that is in the game. There are no single exceptions.


[Mort]

The shields regenerates too slow. I leave by Brood Wars CD in my CD Drive. Protoss still don't die.

[SkywalkerJedi]

No, they didn't. Either that or the Falcon was a more powerful ship than the ship trying to tractor it.

Look, in the MOVIES we have proof of the Falcon not being able to escape a tractor beam once caught in it... that overrides your book anyway. I was simply trying to make sense out of WHY they would say it could escape - either it didn't catch the falcon 100%, or there was something seriously wrong, or, as with most EU, it's simple fanboy wank that goes against the movies.

You win. I will go with that is not a lock on.

[USS Athens]

Republic/CIS can take all of the Federation's allies out. And the Alliance to Restore Republic and Galactic Federation of Free Alliances will never side with the Federation, and they already sided with the Imperial Renmants, scince it is a member state of the Galactic Alliance.

You constantly say this, but you never offer any proof.

The federation is a peaceful society with the purpose to explore, to seek out...

Why wouldn't they want to side with them?

[SkywalkerJedi]

Originally Posted by Kittamaru
Centerpoint have that kind of power. All they have to do is to rip a hole in the universe.

Do you have any idea what that would do... it would make an area of space I don't WANT to calculate around the blast uninhabitable... it'd render ALL space flight thru that SECTOR impossible! It would shift stars, asteroid belts, planets... entire SOLAR SYSTEMS would move because of ONE blast.
Centerpoint can do that, thats how the Celestrials made the Corellia system.
Have they fired Centerpoint before? Did those effects occur? No? Then Centerpoint does NOT do that!
Yes it can, they made the Corellia system that way.
I just call it a blast, it creats a gravitational field thats super super strong.

Fine, but that'd have no effect at all on a Star Trek vessel... again, they can easily break away from a black hole, they can resist Centerpoint. AT MOST it may strain the shield grid a little.
I never seen a Federation ship have the ability to surrive a blast that can crush a star system into a coin.

It said exactly in the book it is a black hole.
Then the book is wrong... because a Black Hole doesn't act like that. Remember, we are talking Science Fantasy written before we really knew what Black Holes were all about

I will go with that this time ( that is entill I find something else ) Mine is in black, kittamaru's is in red.