Star Wars vs Star Trek

[USS Athens]

Actually analysis of the data clearly places Star Wars as the winner of a head on war. Numbers, Firepower, Tactics, Strategy, Speed, and everything point towards Star Wars simply rolling over Star Trek in a war. Now if it was a contest of spouting psuedoscientific BS it would go the other way.

Bullshit TW you rant on about the same shit over and over.

Stop spreading your lies to the impressionable.

Dude, SW physics are fucked up.

[USS Athens]

No doubt EU is canon. Yet it's not equal to movie canon.

I highly disagree.

Dude, fucking children's books!!!

Really saq? What do you say to all of these "IMP superweapons"?

[SkywalkerJedi]

Are you stupid Scott...

We have Jedi here trying to use previously destroyed / unusable tech in this... so can we.

If you guys get those "super weapons" that were destroyed, we get the Genesis Device, Dyson Sphere, and Doomsday Devices...

And given what we know... the Genesis Device alone would more then ensure victory...

Simple, Star Wars fire Centerpoint Station to crush it.

[SkywalkerJedi]

1) Again, centerpoint...useless against moving objects... useless period... not really canon... et al

Idiot, I proved this many times, licienced EU so it is canon. It is apart of the canon Star Wars Saga.

2) Give some explanation as to how it destroys shields... how do you destroy energy? That's not physically possible...

It overload the shields.

3) Prove that a Phase Shifter would work against Multi-Phasic shielding... which is pretty much standard on most Federation vessels post-nemesis.

Dude, do you know how big they are ? They are small, you can replace every turbolaser with them and you don't have to do hull modification. Every ship in the Maw Installation Fleet have them. 60 of those pointing at you.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Guys...



Concussion Missles...on Screen Millenium Falcon

Check it out...

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...US246%26sa%3DN


So since these weapons were used to destroy the second Death Star then they are not merely harrasment fire Skywalker Jedi. Sorry this one is sealed.
G-Canon is absolute and all that.

I said harrasment and sabatoge, it counts as sabatoge.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Well maybe him but not an objective Trek Fan.
If Star Wars could get a hold of accurate Milky Way Star Charts:
If Star Wars Heavy weapon were just half or equal to to Federation phaser tech:
IF Star Wars from the Golden Age of Palpatine pulled just 12% of the heavy ISD level ships (3,000)

They can get catograph Milky Way, or send spies you will be surprised at Star Wars's spying abilities
The " Heavy Weapons " are Long Range Turbolasers and Medium Turbolasers, they both have medium firepower, and if you say half it is porbably Quad Turbolaser.

And attack Earth Vulcan DS9 Mars, Memory Alpha an other important locations simultaneously, Hyperdrive would essentially win the War before it began. The only Concern is the Defense Platforms such as the Orbital City and the Mars Defense Platforms which would allow the Federation Fleet to arrive.

They fire the Galaxy Gun and Centerpoint Station, it can destroy stuff the radius of a galaxy away. Or if Star Trek is lucky they will build a supermassive armda crewed by droids.

(That's if the position survived for up to three days of attack and retalliation.)
I have no doubt the GFFA forces would lose many ships to Star base level weapons like DS9.

Unvaluable flying junkyards build by Star Forge as suicide fleets probably, not if they send the Maw Installation Fleet, 10 Eclips-class and 10 Excetutor -class. And Errant Venture.

However...capturing Planets would be Childs Play as opposed to dismantling the Federation Fleet. That's when the real work begins. The Empire would have to create desperate situations that would lure individual ships into ambush.

They lure the Starfleet to regroup to a massive armda, then fire the Centerpoint, here you go the fleet is wiped out, the attack have a radius of thousands of kilometers. If the Federation is lucky, they send a massive flying junkyard.

The Federation Fleet as a whole would clean up a Fleet of 3,000 Star Destroyers...And Once Star Fleet analizes the situation and uses cloaked mines on the remain installation and they begin "base camping" strategies the Imperial Fleet would be forced to commit large resources to taking out Fleet embolden Installations or to track Star Fleet at all at warp.

Don't forget, there is Centerpoint. Anyways how many ships are in the Starfleet in total ? If it is less then 3,000 ships, not a chance they will stand up to 3,000 Star Destroyers, if you mean frigates that have a sign that says "Star Destroyer" ( a figure of speech and joke ) yes.

[SkywalkerJedi]

ahem, "burn" the cloak???? do you even know how the cloaks work in ST?

Thats how Star Wars detect their own cloaked ships.

[SkywalkerJedi]

By the way...These Generator are just about as soft as cupcakes...
The strike was weak.
Even the initital chain recation was weak.
REALLY...Who puts the Genarators at end of Fighter Bay...
That's Star Wars for you...Follow the Death Star Trench to the EASY BUTTON and Press and Hold till combustion...

But it hit a hypermatter reactor. It is like firing a bazooka at the weakspot of a fusion power plant.

[SkywalkerJedi]

1. please do read my post, eh. i said thermonuclear bombs are fission-fusion-fission based. thermonuclear reactions however refer to fusion reactions. how is this a problem?
2.partialy true, we are able to produce fusion "flashes". but true, they are not of much use yet.
3.we see the torpedo bay hit directly in STWoK and they did not detonate. either they have a way of stabilizing the am or the are only injecting it during launching. any way we neveer see them detonate by accidents so its largely irelevant.

Excuse me, I checked that was a grenade. Everybody sorry for the delay.

[SkywalkerJedi]

well depending on the analitist

firepower, shielding, sensors are a ST (ufp) advantage, numbers and FTL are a SW (empire) advantage. in tactics and strategy they both suck big time. SW advantage should be enough to win against ST and ST advantage should be enough to help them hold out till the Empireee colapses.

Excuse me, I back you up. Star Wars is winning with my new knowlege of Star Wars. Want me to bring in other EU, that would be sad for Star Trek, i got alot of weapons up me sleeve.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Yes it does explain the unexplain but that doesn't elevate it to G canon right?
And is Gold Squadron part of the Rebel Fleet...Of course.

We know General Calrission led the Fighter Attack.

Essentially you're saying that Ackbar's command was directed to Calrission and that Yes, it was fighters that brought down the Executor and not the Captial ships.

" All ships fire on the Super Star Destroyer. "
All ships, not just Starfighters. That is alot of pounding.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Actually Return of the Jedi in side the reactor when the Falcon targets the main points and wedge takes out the North Tower...

Which was surprisingly easy to do...

Think about. The Death Star II was created with a passage way from the Surface to the core large enough for a medium size Freighter to make it to the center at near full speed...

Then instead of the Core being surrounded by armor or shields they give a wonderfully spacious empty cavern for and Entire Fleet to roam around (Lets avoid the fact that the Death Star at that size should colapse in on it'self because of that massive cavern) and then then it takes but a few shots to take it out.

There were no weapon systems on the inside to stop the rebels and this time they didn't even have plans for the second design.
They really pushed the easy button on this one.

But at Tarkin battlestation, they did not repeat the mistake.

[SkywalkerJedi]

I highly disagree.

Dude, fucking children's books!!!

Really saq? What do you say to all of these "IMP superweapons"?

Excuse me. Techniclly you are a child too scince you are underage and what you read acording to you are childrend books.
So is this list of what I read:
Ideas And Opinions, by Alber Einstein ( I finished reading it a year ago )
Relativity, by Albert Einstein ( I am reading )
E=mc2, by Albert Einstein ( I finished reading it a few months ago )
A World Without Time ( I am reading )

So are those childrend books?

[Kittamaru]

Simple, Star Wars fire Centerpoint Station to crush it.

Oncea gain, Centerpoint would never HIT a Starship, and if by some MIRACLE it did, it wouldn't do squat. We already went over this a DOZEN TIMES. Once that missile comes out of orbit, anti-missile defenses will kick in. Why do you think unshielded missiles aren't used in Trek?

[Kittamaru]

Jedi... you're "superweapons" mean nothing. We know they take out Star Wars ships just fine and dandy... but we've already proven trek shielding is in the area of hundreds of powers STRONGER than Star Wars shields...

[Flectarn]

" All ships fire on the Super Star Destroyer. "
All ships, not just Starfighters. That is alot of pounding.

127 INT REBEL STAR CRUISER - BRIDGE 127

ACKBAR
We've got to give those fighters more time.
Concentrate all fire on that Super Star
Destroyer.

X-wings pilots head across the surface of the huge battleship.

nothing in that line says it's all the ships. however the preceding stage direction in the script does say that several cruisers fire on the ssd

Nien Nunb agrees. The battle between the Rebel and Imperial fleet
rages on. Several cruisers fire at the giant Super Star
Destroyer.

http://www.blueharvest.net/scoops/rotj-script.shtml

I think the the footage is a little ambiguous... I think i'd been mistaking the side of the SSD for an ISD *shrug*

[Saquist]

I said harrasment and sabatoge, it counts as sabatoge.

Yes you did say harrasment and sabotag and under the definition of sabotage destruction is included. However harrasment is not the same as sabotage, it means to impede or to exhaust by raiding. Minor incomparison to sabotage. With that in mind I must counter your claim that concussion missles are merely used for harrasment they are tactical weapon for the purpose of waging war.

They can get catograph Milky Way, or send spies you will be surprised at Star Wars's spying abilities
The " Heavy Weapons " are Long Range Turbolasers and Medium Turbolasers, they both have medium firepower, and if you say half it is porbably Quad Turbolaser.

You're right...It is entirely possible. However that is a question of strategem.

They fire the Galaxy Gun and Centerpoint Station, it can destroy stuff the radius of a galaxy away. Or if Star Trek is lucky they will build a supermassive armda crewed by droids.

Unlikely...

They lure the Starfleet to regroup to a massive armda, then fire the Centerpoint, here you go the fleet is wiped out, the attack have a radius of thousands of kilometers. If the Federation is lucky, they send a massive flying junkyard.

That would require a staging ground at Corelia. it's unlikely the station is movable other wise it would have been moved.

Don't forget, there is Centerpoint. Anyways how many ships are in the Starfleet in total ? If it is less then 3,000 ships, not a chance they will stand up to 3,000 Star Destroyers, if you mean frigates that have a sign that says "Star Destroyer" ( a figure of speech and joke ) yes.[/QUOTE]

Star Fleets registry recognizes over 80,000 ships of various construction. If just a quarter of those ships are combat level and worthy that means the Federations active Fleet is 20,000 ships strong...and easy match against the 25,000 Star Destroyers at the height of Palpatines reign.

But it hit a hypermatter reactor. It is like firing a bazooka at the weakspot of a fusion power plant.

Well sure from the insided. I'd expect it to blow up but this is a matter of security.

But at Tarkin battlestation, they did not repeat the mistake.

No they made it worse....
There no way Star Fleet would have made destroying a superweapon that easy for entire fleets to do...

I'm Sorry...the Empire is highly incompetent...that's the nature of bad guys in almost every movie.

[USS Athens]

Excuse me. Techniclly you are a child too scince you are underage and what you read acording to you are childrend books.
So is this list of what I read:
Ideas And Opinions, by Alber Einstein ( I finished reading it a year ago )
Relativity, by Albert Einstein ( I am reading )
E=mc2, by Albert Einstein ( I finished reading it a few months ago )
A World Without Time ( I am reading )

So are those childrend books?

No no no no...

Saxtons book!!!

Using children's books for a debate like this!?!

[USS Athens]

Excuse me, I back you up. Star Wars is winning with my new knowlege of Star Wars. Want me to bring in other EU, that would be sad for Star Trek, i got alot of weapons up me sleeve.

Winning?!?

Your 'new' knowledge is found either by your blind denial and/or you lack the intelligence to get the useful information out of our posts.

[USS Citadel]

let me guess Skywalkerjedi, you are unemployed and you live with your parents.