Star Wars vs Star Trek

[TW Scott]

Dude he said it was not a part of his universe! Deal with it! No galaxy gun, no eclipse, no suncrusher! Lucas said himself it ended right after Ep. VI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT?!?!?

Fine, you want to take that stance Then nothing past season 6 of TNG is Star Trek is canon either. After all you are being pissy enough to claim that creators quotes (however out of context they are) trumps the companies stance. So you are stuck with Roddenberry's remarks.

If you want a full list of the ramifications I could gladly give them to you.

However if you examine what he said, he said his part of this story is the movies, however there are other parts of the story he was not meant to tell. But fine you want to go by creators words and pet projects....that's great. Still means 12.5 gigaton turbolasers as Lucas himself approved Dr. Saxctons numbers. But then ST losses Species 8472, the Borgs ability to assimilate through nanoprobes, Q being anything other than a jerk who likes to toy with the humans, the Dominion.....all of that would be gone from ST. You'd be stuck with vessels that have to be detonated to produce a 100 megaton level effect.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Fine, you want to take that stance Then nothing past season 6 of TNG is Star Trek is canon either. After all you are being pissy enough to claim that creators quotes (however out of context they are) trumps the companies stance. So you are stuck with Roddenberry's remarks.

And Roddenberry is dead, deal with it. Too can play that game, so it is Star Wars G-canon vs Roddenberry's Star Trek. Its your choice

If you want a full list of the ramifications I could gladly give them to you.

However if you examine what he said, he said his part of this story is the movies, however there are other parts of the story he was not meant to tell. But fine you want to go by creators words and pet projects....that's great. Still means 12.5 gigaton turbolasers as Lucas himself approved Dr. Saxctons numbers. But then ST losses Species 8472, the Borgs ability to assimilate through nanoprobes, Q being anything other than a jerk who likes to toy with the humans, the Dominion.....all of that would be gone from ST. You'd be stuck with vessels that have to be detonated to produce a 100 megaton level effect.

And acording to my qoutes, he isn't in charge of Star Wars, he is only in charge of the movies. Well if you want to play creator's world, Star Trek lose alot. And George Lucas came up with the idea of Yuuzhan Vongs.

I did a bit of improvment.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Centerpoint is perfectly canon Still not mentioned in the movies you git

If you want to play Creator's world, fine. You lose Q, Borg's Nanaprobe assimulation and Species 8472.

World Devastors will destroy Earth the end No they wouldn't... prove to me how they would, I'll show you (once again) why you are about as wrong in this argument as Hillary is in office.

First Eclips fires to wipe out all life. Then they land to rip Earth into little bits.

Star Forge can only be powered by the Dark Side of the Force Good, good, then after Q wipes out all Force users, it's no longer an issue
Superlasers destroy planets Not when the planetary shield can withstand weaponry powerful enough to blow your entire solar system into oblivion...
They got the Sun Crusher out using the force Force users are dead now, remember? Q got rid of em all

Remember you want to play creator's world, so that is not included.

The more you argue, the more a idiot you make yourself, keep it up. You don't even know the slightest of EU.

No, I don't know the slightest of EU, because the EU sucks. It is fanboy vomit all over the beautiful creation of George Lucas. If you had the slightest sign of delta wave activity, you'd understand that you subserviant camel! Now go crawl back into your hole and fester.

You want to play hardball, fine - I bring back to the court the Q Continuum. Being that it's ALL of trek vs ALL of wars, I challenge you to find a single counter to a being that, for all intensive purposes, can stop your entire galaxy from ever have collapsing from it's nebulae with the snap of his fingers

Remember my qoute? You have short term memory or you can't read. It says that his story is only one of the stories about the Star Wars universe. If you want to play like that, fine I will bring in Sith Alchemy and you don't want that at all. I have never seen Q wipe out life directly by snaping his fingers ( I mena directly, not through Supernovas ). If you want to play hard, I will bring in all Force Abilities and all of EU.

Idiot.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Goddammit, don't you f*cking get it!?!

Their licensed to use the the corporate name "Star Wars"! Not as canon!

Yes as canon, they licienced it to be a part of canon Star Wars.

[SkywalkerJedi]

If that is true then you've yet to provide an example which would appropriately display this aledged superior Fire Power.
SkywalkerJedi...I can only assume that as you didn't list your source that this is an assumption?

It destroyed a Vong worldship with one shot, and Corran Horn accidently let slip the secret of Errant Venture's firepower, he said that it can take down 2 victory-class combined with little effort. He didn't exaggerate because it would get his father-in-law in trouble with the New Republic, he just accidently let the secret slip.

No Star Wars Weapon but the Super Laser has shown to truely equal up against the Federation Type X phaser.
Understand that weapons you offer up as superior must show that they are more than sixity times the firepower of the antifighter laser.

Anti-fighter lasers are lighter turbolasers to laser cannons, so no.
Does that really sound logical?
Fighters have been seen destroying subsystems on Imperial Star Destroyers. With no previous damage on both occasions we see X-wings and A wings fire two shots each (a total of 4) into the subsystem and the structure was destroyed.

With Concussion missiles and captial ship support.

So lets think...
Did Home One and the rest of those cruisers need weapon power more than 60 times the fire anti fighter weapons?

I'm afraid not.
Based on that hull resiliance we can approximate that no more than 20 times the antifighter weapons would have caused the destruction of the ISD being fired on. And that's even considering getting through the shield generators.

They needed the weapons because they have to fight ISDs, and TIE/in won't do much damage, so they don't need even medium Turbolasers. The trouble about TIE Defenders, TIE Bombers and TIE Interceptors, is because of the concussion missiles.

Check your guys' frustration, it makes ST look bad... and you guys debate well but that loses its effectiveness when you act this way.

They got pissed off, because they got owned by EU.

I concur guys you can yell people into submission. It simple dosen't require that much emotion.

They know perfectly that TW Scott and me will not give up to yelling.

[SkywalkerJedi]

I'm just pissed... I want an opponent worthy of our skills... not someone we have to repeat the same shit over and over and over...

Right now, you look like the one that is being a retard. We dealt with the EU matter before and Star Wars won, and you just keep yelling the same stuff. And you have very little knowledge about what I am talking about then you just imagine what they work, but when I tell you, you just ignore it. When ever somebody comes up with something that Star Trek can't handle, you says it is bullshit. What you said about Centerpoint is crap.

[antaran_1979]

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There is one type: Light Blaster Cannons.


They are no problem, you ignored the one that snaped a tree into peices.

Keyword: Blaster, not Melter. They blasts stuff, not melt them, but they do burn so things.

IGNORED IT???!!!!!! I POSTED IT!!!!!!!
unlike you or TWS me and Saq were the only people around here that provided any visuals!!!!! and they blast trees in 1 case out of 12!!!! there is something fishy here if they only use 1 type of "ammo".

[antaran_1979]

So can Star Wars.

where when?

[antaran_1979]

To the first point - I doubt they could "fold jump" anything inside a Federation ship... Federation ships would be protected against "folding" space by their warp fields (which Warps space around the ship) I doubt you could actually make a successful fold inside a warped area of space.

To the point of multiple ships - I don't know... it depends on how long the ships can last once their holtzman shields are penetrated

it's even more dificult. in both SW and ST we have vague idea of their firepower. in Dune we don't. we can't even begin to estemate how many fregates or monitors would take to match oposing number of SW or ST ships.

[SkywalkerJedi]

where when?

they discovered the gravity signiture of Kamino from Coruscant, and it have been erased from the achive.

[SkywalkerJedi]

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IGNORED IT???!!!!!! I POSTED IT!!!!!!!
unlike you or TWS me and Saq were the only people around here that provided any visuals!!!!! and they blast trees in 1 case out of 12!!!! there is something fishy here if they only use 1 type of "ammo".

I forgot, sorry. I did post visual proof. There is two ammo, Motar ( a type of grenade ) launcher and light blast cannons. I thought you talked about lasers, there is only 1 type of laser.

[antaran_1979]

Have you ever watached Clone Wars, then you know the true firepower visually. I said this plenty of times, Neutronium is like TurboLASER, LASER cannon, and SESMIC charges, it is just a name.

hey i have the Clone Wars on disk. there is no mention of any neutronium or superior firepower. there are a lot of overpowered jedi, but that's all. oh. yeah there are "knights" with spears that can destroy a republic mobile artilery unit+ their infantry support

[antaran_1979]

Centerpoint, World Devastors, Star Forge, Superlasers, and Sun Crushers.

in other words no visual proof

[antaran_1979]

Antifighter lasers are usally light turbolasers to laser cannons. Errant Venture have more firepower then a Galaxy Class by magnitudes, it have a small superlaser and weapons from the Excecutor-class Super Star Destroyer Lusankya. It is more powerful then Two Victroy-class combined.

over powering 2 victory calss SDs is no big deal. GCSs overpower ISD2s by at least 2.4 times with only its ventral array.

[antaran_1979]

Show me a screen cap, and prove it.

i have, 100 pages ago, with caps from both TESB and RoTJ!!!!

[antaran_1979]

Doesn't need to be a successful jump, considering the problems ST ships have with spacial distortions. This would be akin to having a wormhole or a singularity open up directly inside the ship. I think the feedback on the warpcore would be enough to cause a breach. So it doesn't matter if the weapon actually gets delivered or not.

As to that, I'm not sure. Against the firepower of ST ships I would say not very long.

i actually agree with you on this one. just like with transphasic torpeodes normal conventional defences are probably useless on fold-space torpedoes. they would probably need a chronitron modification or some other devil. maybe a modified sub-space bubble who knows....

[SkywalkerJedi]

hey i have the Clone Wars on disk. there is no mention of any neutronium or superior firepower. there are a lot of overpowered jedi, but that's all. oh. yeah there are "knights" with spears that can destroy a republic mobile artilery unit+ their infantry support

Energy Lances, not spears. And they are on swoop bike.

[SkywalkerJedi]

over powering 2 victory calss SDs is no big deal. GCSs overpower ISD2s by at least 2.4 times with only its ventral array.

That is before the rearming from the SSD and the Superlaser.

[antaran_1979]

Still means 12.5 gigaton turbolasers as Lucas himself approved Dr.

which are nowhere to be found in the movies or the toons

[antaran_1979]

And Roddenberry is dead, deal with it. Too can play that game, so it is Star Wars G-canon vs Roddenberry's Star Trek. Its your choice

hey, i practicaly use only TNG data for my GCS estemates anyway