View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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  • Star Trek

    227 33.88%
  • Star Wars

    285 42.54%
  • Spaceballs

    51 7.61%
  • Farscape

    14 2.09%
  • Dune

    54 8.06%
  • Stargate

    39 5.82%

Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #11101
    アスラン・ザラ ( Athrun "Alex" Zala ) SkywalkerJedi's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    And, funny thing, both Jedi and TW have IGNORED my PROOF that Star Wars neutronium is NOT Star Trek Neutronium...

    Clones much? THey BOTH ignore facts that directly contradict what they state, they BOTH hate to admit when they are wrong, and they BOTH try to GROSSLY exagerate what Star Wars weapons are capable of...

    I call BS and Clone, someone do an IP Traceroute on these two bozos...
    Have you ever watached Clone Wars, then you know the true firepower visually. I said this plenty of times, Neutronium is like TurboLASER, LASER cannon, and SESMIC charges, it is just a name.

  2. #11102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Skywalker, once you can bring something NOT overruled by the movies that even begins to THREATEN Star Trek, I'll listen to you again.
    Centerpoint, World Devastors, Star Forge, Superlasers, and Sun Crushers.

  3. #11103
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    Not if the Federation has the clear offensive advantage.
    Federation installations are on magnitude of 3 to 5 times more powerful than the the Galaxy class ship. Which I remind you displayed a firepower up to 60 times that of the standard antifighter turbo laser emplacement.
    Antifighter lasers are usally light turbolasers to laser cannons. Errant Venture have more firepower then a Galaxy Class by magnitudes, it have a small superlaser and weapons from the Excecutor-class Super Star Destroyer Lusankya. It is more powerful then Two Victroy-class combined.

  4. #11104
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    Jedi, thing is, Scott plays it as not being just the name.

    And Clone Wars is SUBSERVIENT to the main 6 movies... and the primary movies show the firepower as being modern-day weapons at BEST.

    Centerpoint - not once mentioned in the movies,
    WD - non threat
    Star Forge - would be taken over
    Superlasers - useless as we've proven firepower issues
    Sun Crusher (singular, there IS only one) - non issue (it's in a fucking star... how do you plan to get a pilot INTo it?)

    Errant Venture has about the same firepower as the Galaxy Class's Captains Yacht... we've already gone OVER this for FUCKS SAKE!

  5. #11105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Jedi, thing is, Scott plays it as not being just the name.

    And Clone Wars is SUBSERVIENT to the main 6 movies... and the primary movies show the firepower as being modern-day weapons at BEST.
    Show me a screen cap, and prove it.

    Centerpoint - not once mentioned in the movies,
    WD - non threat
    Star Forge - would be taken over
    Superlasers - useless as we've proven firepower issues
    Sun Crusher (singular, there IS only one) - non issue (it's in a fucking star... how do you plan to get a pilot INTo it?)
    Centerpoint is perfectly canon
    World Devastors will destroy Earth the end
    Star Forge can only be powered by the Dark Side of the Force
    Superlasers destroy planets
    They got the Sun Crusher out using the force
    Errant Venture has about the same firepower as the Galaxy Class's Captains Yacht... we've already gone OVER this for FUCKS SAKE
    The more you argue, the more a idiot you make yourself, keep it up. You don't even know the slightest of EU.

  6. #11106
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Centerpoint is perfectly canon
    World Devastors will destroy Earth the end
    Star Forge can only be powered by the Dark Side of the Force
    Superlasers destroy planets
    They got the Sun Crusher out using the force
    Dude, we've debated this before, EU isn't F*CKING canon!

    All your little "super weapons" aren't going to help you because their not in George's universe! And he IS Star Wars!

  7. #11107
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Antifighter lasers are usally light turbolasers to laser cannons. Errant Venture have more firepower then a Galaxy Class by magnitudes, it have a small superlaser and weapons from the Excecutor-class Super Star Destroyer Lusankya. It is more powerful then Two Victroy-class combined.
    Proof?

  8. #11108
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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B View Post
    Dude, we've debated this before, EU isn't F*CKING canon!

    All your little "super weapons" aren't going to help you because their not in George's universe! And he IS Star Wars!
    We will see about that........
    First they are Lucasfilm licienced
    and
    "After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story—however many films it took to tell—was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga." -George Lucas
    and
    "Part of the job of the director is to sort of keep everything in line, and I can do that in the movies—but I can't do it on the whole Star Wars universe." - George Lucas

  9. #11109
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    Quote Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B View Post
    Proof?
    Here are my sources, all licienced by Lucasfilm:
    The New Jedi Order Sourcebook
    The New Essential Guide to Characters

  10. #11110
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Show me a screen cap, and prove it.


    Centerpoint is perfectly canon Still not mentioned in the movies you git
    World Devastors will destroy Earth the end No they wouldn't... prove to me how they would, I'll show you (once again) why you are about as wrong in this argument as Hillary is in office.
    Star Forge can only be powered by the Dark Side of the Force Good, good, then after Q wipes out all Force users, it's no longer an issue
    Superlasers destroy planets Not when the planetary shield can withstand weaponry powerful enough to blow your entire solar system into oblivion...
    They got the Sun Crusher out using the force Force users are dead now, remember? Q got rid of em all

    The more you argue, the more a idiot you make yourself, keep it up. You don't even know the slightest of EU.
    No, I don't know the slightest of EU, because the EU sucks. It is fanboy vomit all over the beautiful creation of George Lucas. If you had the slightest sign of delta wave activity, you'd understand that you subserviant camel! Now go crawl back into your hole and fester.

    You want to play hardball, fine - I bring back to the court the Q Continuum. Being that it's ALL of trek vs ALL of wars, I challenge you to find a single counter to a being that, for all intensive purposes, can stop your entire galaxy from ever have collapsing from it's nebulae with the snap of his fingers.



    Bitch.

  11. #11111
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Here are my sources, all licienced by Lucasfilm:
    The New Jedi Order Sourcebook
    The New Essential Guide to Characters
    Here are my sources, created by GEORGE FUCKING LUCAS himself, and those sources say, and I quote

    YOU SUCK AT LIFE!

    Star Wars - Episodes 1-6

  12. #11112
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Here are my sources, all licienced by Lucasfilm:
    The New Jedi Order Sourcebook
    The New Essential Guide to Characters
    Goddammit, don't you f*cking get it!?!

    Their licensed to use the the corporate name "Star Wars"! Not as canon!

  13. #11113
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    We will see about that........
    First they are Lucasfilm licienced
    and
    "After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story—however many films it took to tell—was only one of thousands that could be told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not stories I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories to the Saga." -George Lucas
    and
    "Part of the job of the director is to sort of keep everything in line, and I can do that in the movies—but I can't do it on the whole Star Wars universe." - George Lucas
    Dude he said it was not a part of his universe! Deal with it! No galaxy gun, no eclipse, no suncrusher! Lucas said himself it ended right after Ep. VI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT?!?!?

  14. #11114
    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    To the first point - I doubt they could "fold jump" anything inside a Federation ship... Federation ships would be protected against "folding" space by their warp fields (which Warps space around the ship) I doubt you could actually make a successful fold inside a warped area of space.
    Doesn't need to be a successful jump, considering the problems ST ships have with spacial distortions. This would be akin to having a wormhole or a singularity open up directly inside the ship. I think the feedback on the warpcore would be enough to cause a breach. So it doesn't matter if the weapon actually gets delivered or not.

    To the point of multiple ships - I don't know... it depends on how long the ships can last once their holtzman shields are penetrated
    As to that, I'm not sure. Against the firepower of ST ships I would say not very long.

  15. #11115
    Quote Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B View Post
    Dude he said it was not a part of his universe! Deal with it! No galaxy gun, no eclipse, no suncrusher! Lucas said himself it ended right after Ep. VI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET IT?!?!?]
    Let them use them, since I have no contention anymore from SW, Dune would beat them anyway. Thus, leaving only ST and Dune to fight for supremacy.

    Check your guys' frustration, it makes ST look bad... and you guys debate well but that loses its effectiveness when you act this way.

    EDIT:
    And to SW, there is a clear difference between what George Lucas acknowledges and what his company acknowledges. I know of only a couple of the books that George Lucas is quoted as supporting. He supported the books written by R.A. Salvatore including the death of Chewbacca. He supports the Vong but not the storyline that presents them because they go against his idea of continuity. These are a couple of examples that I know of, I'll get the sources but give me time... I have to hunt down my friend for them.

    And guys, if SW were to actually explain why the Vong would be a dangerous opposition to ST, such as point singularity shielding and weapons, then you might get somewhere.
    Last edited by Sardonic Crisis; 05-03-08 at 02:44 AM.

  16. #11116
    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    You want to play hardball, fine - I bring back to the court the Q Continuum. Being that it's ALL of trek vs ALL of wars, I challenge you to find a single counter to a being that, for all intensive purposes, can stop your entire galaxy from ever have collapsing from it's nebulae with the snap of his fingers.
    I'm cool with that, Norma Cenva is my response to the Q continuum.

  17. #11117
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sardonic Crisis View Post
    Doesn't need to be a successful jump, considering the problems ST ships have with spacial distortions. This would be akin to having a wormhole or a singularity open up directly inside the ship. I think the feedback on the warpcore would be enough to cause a breach. So it doesn't matter if the weapon actually gets delivered or not.

    As to that, I'm not sure. Against the firepower of ST ships I would say not very long.
    Mate, warp drive IS a spatial distortion - I think you're confusion spatial distortions with temporal distortions.

    Good example - voyager managed to accidentally fly into, and then successfully fly out of, a quantum singularity ( read, black hole ) that randomly collapsed on top of the ship.

  18. #11118
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    Sadly, as powerful as Norma Cenva may be, I doubt it'd be enough. We are, literally, talking about a being of limitless power. The only way to kill a Q is via a weapon made by a Q, and even then they can simply desire to bring the dead back to life afterwards.

  19. #11119
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Antifighter lasers are usally light turbolasers to laser cannons. Errant Venture have more firepower then a Galaxy Class by magnitudes, it have a small superlaser and weapons from the Excecutor-class Super Star Destroyer Lusankya. It is more powerful then Two Victroy-class combined.
    If that is true then you've yet to provide an example which would appropriately display this aledged superior Fire Power.
    SkywalkerJedi...I can only assume that as you didn't list your source that this is an assumption?

    No Star Wars Weapon but the Super Laser has shown to truely equal up against the Federation Type X phaser.
    Understand that weapons you offer up as superior must show that they are more than sixity times the firepower of the antifighter laser.

    Does that really sound logical?
    Fighters have been seen destroying subsystems on Imperial Star Destroyers. With no previous damage on both occasions we see X-wings and A wings fire two shots each (a total of 4) into the subsystem and the structure was destroyed.

    So lets think...
    Did Home One and the rest of those cruisers need weapon power more than 60 times the fire anti fighter weapons?

    I'm afraid not.
    Based on that hull resiliance we can approximate that no more than 20 times the antifighter weapons would have caused the destruction of the ISD being fired on. And that's even considering getting through the shield generators.

    We know there was no damage on the ISD before the shots. When they landed the ships destruction was instant.

    Essentially Federation Phasers should be as effective as Asgard beam weapons from Star Gate Atlantis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sardonic Crisis View Post
    Let them use them, since I have no contention anymore from SW, Dune would beat them anyway. Thus, leaving only ST and Dune to fight for supremacy.
    Check your guys' frustration, it makes ST look bad... and you guys debate well but that loses its effectiveness when you act this way.

    [/QUOTE]

    I concur guys you can yell people into submission. It simple dosen't require that much emotion.

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    I'm just pissed... I want an opponent worthy of our skills... not someone we have to repeat the same shit over and over and over...

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