Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Hellblade8]

The UFP can move at 80% the speed of light on a Galaxy, nearly 90% for a Sovereign... way more than 1/4 mate

Conservative numbers my friend. They can easily surpass lightspeed.

[USS Athens]

Any of you have the Excelsior II for BC? I saw the Kobayashi Maru 1.0 mod bridge for the Excelsior II, it looked wayyy to mediocre. I like the original E-b bridge layout better.

Hey guys, speaking of BC, I've maneged to convert an Excelsior-II model to a .nif, It has bones for hardpoints though, like a .sod (Star Trek Armada) and .mod (Starfleet Command). But use these for guides where to put the hardpoints for BC, seeing that where you put the hardpoints differs from that of where you put hardpoints in Armada or SFCIII. So you guys will need to add to the files so that it is usable in-game. I also have an Enterprise-B bridge to go along with it. I'll get a download location for you guys as soon as possible.

[SkywalkerJedi]

i doubt they have infinite range, and the Empire most cetanly did not use any tractors at Endor.

Then why did they install them? Palpatine ordered them not to fire, they are only allowed to use Starfighters.

[SkywalkerJedi]

how about direct combat? we see them used during bording actions. (sorry for the delay, my intenet conection is clunky this weekend)

Acording to that list, Ion Cannons are enough. Every ISD have 60 Ion Cannon batteries.

[SkywalkerJedi]

are you brain dead? the rebels slip through imperial ships unhidered. if they moce away on sub-light, what is to stop them from entering hyperspace? good will?

Here is the trouble, they don't know when they are going to jump to hyperspace, by the time they know the Rebels are jumping to hyperspace, they are already lightyears away.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Scott, listen for fucks sake. A full on phaser strike would FLAMBE THE ATMOSPHERE OF A PLANET! Eg, GONE! They said it, CUT AND DRY, in TOS!

They were using a VERY low power phaser to drill! We're talking like, MAYBE a 1/100th of a percent power! Use your BRAIN! Drilling the hole in 1/9*10^100th seconds is pointless if the TOTAL POPULATION OF THE PLANET THEY WERE TRYING TO SAVE IS NOW FLASH FRIED!

Star Wars can just use Planetary Shields, some Ray Shields can vaporize anything that goes through it acording to Clone Wars.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Ah, that's his typical manuver when he's being beaten during a debate. He ignores the person making the posts. He's done it to me countless times. Hold up the barage and eventually he'll run off until the heat cools down.

Are you taking about TW Scott or me? When have I ever done that? I almost always respond to the posts.
If it is TW Scott, I hate it when he does that, because I have to pick off from where he started, I have to cool it down for him.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Not to mention their fighters, which can escape the gravity well of a planet. Both UFP shuttles and starships can easily do the same. There is no reason to believe that this would have any effect on a UFP starship then.

Also, a UFP ship can move at 1/4th the speed of light, which is likely to grant them the ability to break away from a great deal of things.

Also, according to these calculations, we get a minimum for the Enterprise D in Relics (Again, Daystrom Institute):



Or basicly 936 megatons. 936 divided by 0.479 = 1,954 times an ISD would have to hit a UFP starship with its guns in order to drop her shields. Going by G2k's higher idea of 1.5 megatons (max), we would get 624 hits by their heavy turbo lasers in order to drop the Galaxy's shield.

They can use Tractors, Gavity Wells and tractor beams are diffrent.

[SkywalkerJedi]

The UFP can move at 80% the speed of light on a Galaxy, nearly 90% for a Sovereign... way more than 1/4 mate

I didn't see them do that when they are fighting ( I mean Galaxy-Class ), they are endangered a couple of times in Star Trek: Next Generations.

[SkywalkerJedi]

I know but after the Rebels went toe to toe with the Star Destroyers to avoid the Death Star do you really think they didn't open fire on the Rebel ships even though the Mon Calmari cruisers were destroying Star Destroyers?

'Only the fighters are attacking. I wonder what those Star Destroyers
are waiting for.'- Lando

COMMANDER
We're in attack position now, sir.

PIETT
Hold here.

COMMANDER
We're not going to attack?

PIETT
I have my orders from the Emperor himself. He has something special
planned for them. We only need to keep them from escaping.

They aren't supossed to fire.

[USS Athens]

I didn't see them do that when they are fighting ( I mean Galaxy-Class ), they are endangered a couple of times in Star Trek: Next Generations.

For a fight with ST ships vs. ST ships, moving at 80% the speed of light is useless, however, for a ST vs. SW ship fight that's a different story.

[Saquist]

'Only the fighters are attacking. I wonder what those Star Destroyers
are waiting for.'- Lando




They aren't supossed to fire.

Both of those quotes are before the Rebels engaged the Star Destroyers at point blank.

Note:
Lando: I said CLOSER! Engage those Star Destroyers at point blank range!
Ackbar: At that close range we won't last long against those Star Destroyers
Lando: We'll last longer than we will against that Death Star and we might just take a few of them with us.


Remember Ackbar was ready to retreat because of the Death Star. The purpose of the order not to attack was to keep the Imperial ships out of the blast area. Lando knew the Death Star wouldn't fire at them in close proximity of the Imperial Fleet. But the dialogue reveals that both fully expected the Star Destroyers to open up once the Rebels couldn't be targeted by the Death Star.

This also meant that the distace the Star Destroyers were at from the Falcon meant they were out a weapons range.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Both of those quotes are before the Rebels engaged the Star Destroyers at point blank.

Note:
Lando: I said CLOSER! Engage those Star Destroyers at point blank range!
Ackbar: At that close range we won't last long against those Star Destroyers
Lando: We'll last longer than we will against that Death Star and we might just take a few of them with us.


Remember Ackbar was ready to retreat because of the Death Star. The purpose of the order not to attack was to keep the Imperial ships out of the blast area. Lando knew the Death Star wouldn't fire at them in close proximity of the Imperial Fleet. But the dialogue reveals that both fully expected the Star Destroyers to open up once the Rebels couldn't be targeted by the Death Star.

This also meant that the distace the Star Destroyers were at from the Falcon meant they were out a weapons range.

They never fired on Home One.

[SkywalkerJedi]

For a fight with ST ships vs. ST ships, moving at 80% the speed of light is useless, however, for a ST vs. SW ship fight that's a different story.

I never seen them do that in Next Generations, First Contact and Voyager.

[Flectarn]

Acording to that list, Ion Cannons are enough. Every ISD have 60 Ion Cannon batteries.

Thing is the only Ion Cannon we saw in the movies was the planetary defence one used by the rebels on Hoth

[SkywalkerJedi]

Here is a tactic for Republic an CIS taking over Earth and Vulcan

First, they send 10 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter, 100 Frigates and 50 Dreadnaughts as distraction, and to neutrilze Earth Spacedock. Then they send 2 CIS fleets and 2 Republic fleets to Vulcan to draw the rest of the Starfleet there. Then the send 2 Republic and 2 CIS fleets to every founder world of the UFP, then the Starfleet will sparate to protect all the worlds. Then they send one fleet to each Starbase, to again sparate the Starfleet. Then they send 4 Republic fleets and 4 CIS fleets, and 50 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter to Deep Space 9 and destroy it. Then they send 200 CIS Crusiers and 100 Ventors to Earth and 1000 Dreadnaughts to Vulcan. And the rest divide and attack all the founder worlds. By the time that happened, the Starfleet will be taking too much casuilties , and the half Starbases will be destroyed .The Republic and CIS's distaction ships will be taking casulties too. Then the Republic and CIS regroup and only attack the founder worlds only. Then they regroup again for an final assult on Earth, after Earth is occupied and they go conqure Vulcan.

Here is the strategy I posted long time ago. Neither way, Republic and CIS wins. If they chose to use all their efforts to defend this solar system, they will lose Vulcan and other worlds and starbases. If they chose to defend only Vulcan and Earth, they still lose. If they chose to defend every founder world, the indiviual fleets will be weak, and lose some planets and starbases. If they chose to defend only planets, they lose the starbases. If they chose to defend everything, they will be way too weak. Oh, for 10 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighters, make that 10 Lucrehulk-class LH-3210 cargo freighter and 10 Lucrehulk-class battleships. Lucrehulk-class are half space station ,half battleship and freighter.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Thing is the only Ion Cannon we saw in the movies was the planetary defence one used by the rebels on Hoth

How about Clone Wars, EU, Star Wars: Insider?
It says on Star Wars: Insider that ISDs have 60 Turbolaser batteries and 60 Ion Cannon batteries.

[SkywalkerJedi]

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imper...Star_Destroyer
For some infomation of ISD arments.

[Hellblade8]

Are you taking about TW Scott or me? When have I ever done that? I almost always respond to the posts.
If it is TW Scott, I hate it when he does that, because I have to pick off from where he started, I have to cool it down for him.

TW scott.

[SkywalkerJedi]

TW scott.

Oh.
I hate it when he does that. I have to pick up from where he left off.