Star Wars vs Star Trek

[SkywalkerJedi]

I said "speeder bikes, landspeeders, and atmospheric craft"

I was making reference to PLANETARY, rather than SPACE, craft... CONTEXT read man! Context!

Thats what a airspeeder is, it is planetary. If you don't consider atmospher planetary, I don't know what to tell you.

[Kittamaru]

The transporter only can transport less then 10 objects, they will fire hundreds of missile. Then why have I seen they dodge phaser in the defence of Earth.



Thats the best I can give you, I didn't make Star Wars or the Wiki.

It is blue, sound have no color, if you are not satisfied asked other Star Wars debaters.

The Galaxy Class can transport over 100 people a second...

What dodged phaser fire in Defence of Earth? You mean VS the Borg? Those aren't phasers! BORG do not USE PHASERS

I gave you a much more detailed explanation that also actually made sense and you chose to ignore it.

Sound and Seismic waves have no colour... a sound wave could, though, heat material via vibrational friction and cause it to glow... very similar to a resonance frequency causing it to detonate!

Finally, I leave you with this:

If a Warrior captured an amphistaff as it left its polyp, the two were bound together and the amphistaff would loyally serve its new master in battle. Hand motions from the warrior coaxed the amphistaff to either harden or become pliable, for each had its own purposes. Occasionally a Yuuzhan Vong would hurl the hardened amphistaff as a spear, further increasing its lethality. Amphistaffs were, quite possibly, one of the most durable objects known, as not even lightsabers could cut through them. When used as a heavy staff, the serpent would endure blow after blow from the Jedi weaponry and remain unfazed. The amphistaff's edge—measured in atoms—slashed through flesh with no resistance. In the blink of an eye, the amphistaff could soften and wind around the lightsaber's blade, its venomous jaws snapping and tearing at the unfortunate victim's face. Because of its organic nature, these creatures were capable of recovering from virtually any wounds. Nigh indestructible, an amphistaff could only be killed by repeated blunt trauma to or removal of the head.

The vaunted lightsabre, defeated by a simple living creature...

These would be captured, studied, and armor made from them for ground troops. Now Trek's ground troops are immune to ALL your weapons fire. Great

[SkywalkerJedi]

It was blue because it super-heated the molecules of dust and debris and made them glow blue? You can't SEE a seismic wave either...

You know, I'm about ready to block you too... you argue like a damned ten year old with no understanding of basic principals!

You did see it.



Do you call that wave invisable?

[Kittamaru]

Air speeder, landspeeder, speederbike... my fucking 1990 Pathfinder... they are all PLANETARY vehicles!

[Kittamaru]

You did see it.



Do you call that wave invisable?

I did not see the wave itself - I saw the debris being PUSHED by the wave!

YOU

CAN

NOT

SEE

AN

ENERGETIC

WAVE!

SEISMIC OR SONIC! PERIOD! END OF FUCKING DISCUSSION!

[SkywalkerJedi]

The Galaxy Class can transport over 100 people a second...

Never mind about that then, if they fire, they will fire more then 100 missiles.

What dodged phaser fire in Defence of Earth? You mean VS the Borg? Those aren't phasers! BORG do not USE PHASERS

Sorry, my bad. What do borgs use?

I gave you a much more detailed explanation that also actually made sense and you chose to ignore it.

Okay, I will go with you.

Sound and Seismic waves have no colour... a sound wave could, though, heat material via vibrational friction and cause it to glow... very similar to a resonance frequency causing it to detonate!

Okay, you win the Seismic arguement, but I don't think TW Scott will, so you have to explain that to him too, you do realize that TW Scott will never belive you.

Finally, I leave you with this:

If a Warrior captured an amphistaff as it left its polyp, the two were bound together and the amphistaff would loyally serve its new master in battle. Hand motions from the warrior coaxed the amphistaff to either harden or become pliable, for each had its own purposes. Occasionally a Yuuzhan Vong would hurl the hardened amphistaff as a spear, further increasing its lethality. Amphistaffs were, quite possibly, one of the most durable objects known, as not even lightsabers could cut through them. When used as a heavy staff, the serpent would endure blow after blow from the Jedi weaponry and remain unfazed. The amphistaff's edge—measured in atoms—slashed through flesh with no resistance. In the blink of an eye, the amphistaff could soften and wind around the lightsaber's blade, its venomous jaws snapping and tearing at the unfortunate victim's face. Because of its organic nature, these creatures were capable of recovering from virtually any wounds. Nigh indestructible, an amphistaff could only be killed by repeated blunt trauma to or removal of the head.

The vaunted lightsabre, defeated by a simple living creature...

The lightsaber is not defeated by it. It can only block lightsaber, because of some weird material that made the flesh. Anyways, where did you get that infomation.

These would be captured, studied, and armor made from them for ground troops. Now Trek's ground troops are immune to ALL your weapons fire. Great

The problem is that they can only be made by Yuuzhan Vong shaper's "magic" .

[SkywalkerJedi]

Air speeder, landspeeder, speederbike... my fucking 1990 Pathfinder... they are all PLANETARY vehicles!

Thats what I said.

[SkywalkerJedi]

I did not see the wave itself - I saw the debris being PUSHED by the wave!

YOU

CAN

NOT

SEE

AN

ENERGETIC

WAVE!

SEISMIC OR SONIC! PERIOD! END OF FUCKING DISCUSSION!

Just being curious, what is the blue wave?

[Kittamaru]

Never mind about that then, if they fire, they will fire more then 100 missiles.


Sorry, my bad. What do borgs use?

Okay, I will go with you.


Okay, you win the Seismic arguement, but I don't think TW Scott will, so you have to explain that to him too, you do realize that TW Scott will never belive you.

The lightsaber is not defeated by it. It can only block lightsaber, because of some weird material that made the flesh. Anyways, where did you get that infomation.

The problem is that they can only be made by Yuuzhan Vong shaper's "magic" .

That's 100 a second...

Easiest way to defeat the missiles - detonate a photon torp in the middile of the swarm

Borg use energy beams that drain shields directly, tractor beams to immobilize, and cutting lasers. They also use various other energy weapons that not much is known about.

I have Scott on my blocked list... he isn't worth arguing with.

I got that off your wiki link

[Kittamaru]

Just being curious, what is the blue wave?

The blue wave is matter being heated until it glows due to the energetic release. You've seen a crystal glass being broken by singing, right? Imagine the energy of that note amplified a billion times - the crystal would "shatter" at the atmoic level, and thus would glow.

[Kittamaru]

Thats what I said.

That's what I said too...

I'm saying, those vehicles weapons didn't even scorch or burn trees...

[SkywalkerJedi]

That's 100 a second...

Easiest way to defeat the missiles - detonate a photon torp in the middile of the swarm

Borg use energy beams that drain shields directly, tractor beams to immobilize, and cutting lasers. They also use various other energy weapons that not much is known about.

I have Scott on my blocked list... he isn't worth arguing with.

I got that off your wiki link

Oh, they still have the Dreadnaughts.

[Flectarn]

The Eugenic wars? What in the world... you refering to WW3?

I'm hoping to GOD we can avoid that part of Treks timeline...
)

TOS: Space Seed, Kahn was a big player in the Eugenics wars, circa 1994. It's sort of being retconned that the Eugenics Wars and WW3 are the same thing and happened later (mid century)

[SkywalkerJedi]

That's what I said too...

I'm saying, those vehicles weapons didn't even scorch or burn trees...

Oh, the speederbike never shot a tree.

[Kittamaru]

What was luke riding on then? I know the IMperials that shot them and when luke shot at them, they missed a bunch

[Kittamaru]

Anyway, I need to go. i have work to do!

[SkywalkerJedi]

What was luke riding on then? I know the IMperials that shot them and when luke shot at them, they missed a bunch

They never shot a tree, they shot other speederbikes.

[Flectarn]

I know that...

And I'm saying that is how they were OBSERVED to work (a SONIC charge, eg SOUND waves)

Sound waves cannot be used as a weapon against United Federation of Planets vessels because the Structural Integrity field cancels them out... it is a constant problem while accelerating to warp. The vibrations of the ship would tear itself to pieces if not for inertial dampners and the SIF!

Thus, sonic based weapons (eg, that "seismic" charge) are useless...

Kit, you do know that a sonic weapon wouldn't work in space either...right?

[SkywalkerJedi]

Kit, you do know that a sonic weapon wouldn't work in space either...right?

Then why did Fett's siesimc charge worked in space?

[Saquist]

Actually all that is proven is that Star Wars Fighters are weaker than Star Wars Capital ships. Which is logical.

Actually?
There is no actually in that statement in regards to the gap illistrated in my post with the star fighters to ships. ACTUALLY...since fighters and ships are quite close to each other in firepower, ACTUALLY they are both far lower than Star Fleet weaponry shows.

I was not aware Starwars.com was considered canon. It is a storehouse of canon material but has in the past been incorrect. We do know that the naboo fighters had full coverage. We also know that X-wings and Y-wings did as well and were able to shunt all deflector power to specific arcs. So what is your point here. That Star Wars shield design for fighters is weaker than Star Wars capital ships? Fine, as it only logical.

I don't know if it is canon but you haven't shown this is an uncanon statement by questining the the canonicity. The canon shows that the deflectors don't protect more often than not for some reason....Star Wars.com explains this.

You said there would be a shield flash if they were up. So you're wrong by canon alone. There are at least a dozen displays showing that the shields aren't there when a fighter is destroyed especially in the newerepisodes, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SHIELD WEAPON INTERACTION in the new Trillogy. So...I guess according to you there is virtually no shield tech in the Years before the battle of Yavin.

Well, yes the tanks shots were visible fiorm inside the hangar, however most of the pilots were busy manually flying their fighter during take off, unlike Skywalker. They had less than a quarter second to respond. To give you a picture of human response time in drag racing when you know you are supposed to hit the gas pedal at the green light and are given a predictable pattern to discern when green will light up, it still takes half a second to press the gas. That is considered perfect reflex time. Now add in enemy fire that was not expected and the the deciosn to either juke or raise shields and we are talking three quarters of a second minimum and probably another second before shields raise.

What are you talking about less than a quarter of a second to respond? Between take of flight there is more than a couple of minutes let alone seconds. You're making no sense whats so ever.

Thats Home One, it is no average Capital ship.

Negative. Home One was Admiral Ackbars ship.
In the scene we see Ackbar in the chair and the Star Destroyer blowing up due to another ship near by. Go back and looks at Antarans screen shots.

This is what I am trying to say, the reason they are a triangle shape because, if you have turbolasers at the sides, they can all target the front, and Triangle is a good shape. they can't afford to make it look fancy, because there is hundreds of thousands of Star Destroyers ( All Star Destroyers ), they can't affrod the cost to make it look fancy.

affirmative.

Again, I certainly agree that Naboo ships are nothing compared to Star Trek starfighters. But the starships above the yacht, passenger ship or Starfighters but below Dreadnught Cruiser, are a 1:1 match for Star Trek ships( exculding Galaxy-Class, Enterprise-E or Voyager ), I don't really consider starfighters starships. The ships above the Dreadnught cruiser level is more then a match for averge Star Trek ships, and can take time to defeat Galaxy-Class, Enterprise-E or Voyager. Anything above the Heavy Cruiser level is moire then a match for any Star Trek ships.

okay, yet tactics come into play too when you set up matches. They may have the firepower but can they target these much faster ships? I say no.