Star Wars vs Star Trek

[SkywalkerJedi]

So what does that have to do with the site I posted???

he says, on the site, he ommitted some things...

WHY would he add in the super-ships... they're one of a kind and pointless because they all died just as easy.

Nope, Eclips self-destructed. Nothing, I am talking about your counter-stratagies.

[Kittamaru]

Apprently in the triliologies they did it. And in the orginial ones, they barly attack natural structures.

They hit them quite often thanks to their terrible aim...

Impacts from things like landspeeders, speederbikes, and atmospheric craft have near to no effect on simple trees and dirt!

[SkywalkerJedi]

I know that...

And I'm saying that is how they were OBSERVED to work (a SONIC charge, eg SOUND waves)

Sound waves cannot be used as a weapon against United Federation of Planets vessels because the Structural Integrity field cancels them out... it is a constant problem while accelerating to warp. The vibrations of the ship would tear itself to pieces if not for inertial dampners and the SIF!

Thus, sonic based weapons (eg, that "seismic" charge) are useless...

I know sonic waves will do nothing. Seismic Charges are not sound waves.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seismic_charge

[Kittamaru]

Okay, you lost me...

The Executor vs Defiant once more

Missiles are useless... would be destroyed before they could hit the Defiant
HTL's and LRTL's are too inaccurate and cannot track an object going .8c
"Seismic" charges, as already stated, are ineffective
Dreadnaughts and Eclipses are other ships - we're not including those in this... fighters yes, but we already know a TIE's weaposn wouldn't damage even a trek shuttle.
TL's would be their only real effective weapon.

[SkywalkerJedi]

They hit them quite often thanks to their terrible aim...

Impacts from things like landspeeders, speederbikes, and atmospheric craft have near to no effect on simple trees and dirt!

There was never a landspeeder crash nor a atmospheric craft crash in the oringial movies. Speederbikes have no shields, it is light and it almost destoryed a tree.

[Kittamaru]

OMG! READ THE WIKI!

A seismic charge will (a few seconds after launch) briefly detonate into a blue ball, which appears to have the unusual side-effect of removing all sound from a given area around it. This small explosion soon collapses on itself, releasing a shock wave of energy that will obliterate everything in its path.

They use SOUND WAVES!

There is NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE. OBSERVE IT IN THE MOVIES! YOU HEAR IT CHARGE UP, THEN NOTHING, THEN BOOM! STUFF EXPLODES! THE ONLY THING THAT EXHIBITS THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY IS A RESONANCE CHARGE! EG, SOUND!

Good GOD man!

[Kittamaru]

There was never a landspeeder crash nor a atmospheric craft crash in the oringial movies. Speederbikes have no shields, it is light and it almost destoryed a tree.

... *falls over*

THEIR WEAPONS!

WHEN THEY SHOOT!

You know? They DO shoot at stuff in the movies! Eg, the Ewok battle!!! C'mon man!

[SkywalkerJedi]

Okay, you lost me...

The Executor vs Defiant once more

Missiles are useless... would be destroyed before they could hit the Defiant
HTL's and LRTL's are too inaccurate and cannot track an object going .8c
"Seismic" charges, as already stated, are ineffective
Dreadnaughts and Eclipses are other ships - we're not including those in this... fighters yes, but we already know a TIE's weaposn wouldn't damage even a trek shuttle.
TL's would be their only real effective weapon.

Seisimc charges don't work like real-life seismic charges, it is mis-named like turbolaser. Missiles can manuver so it will be hard to target. TIE/i's weapons not TIE bomber's weapons. Dreadnaughts are carried in the SSD, so it is involved. There is atleast 200 turbolaser.

[SkywalkerJedi]

OMG! READ THE WIKI!

A seismic charge will (a few seconds after launch) briefly detonate into a blue ball, which appears to have the unusual side-effect of removing all sound from a given area around it. This small explosion soon collapses on itself, releasing a shock wave of energy that will obliterate everything in its path.

They use SOUND WAVES!

There is NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE. OBSERVE IT IN THE MOVIES! YOU HEAR IT CHARGE UP, THEN NOTHING, THEN BOOM! STUFF EXPLODES! THE ONLY THING THAT EXHIBITS THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY IS A RESONANCE CHARGE! EG, SOUND!

Good GOD man!

Removing all sounds, do sound look blue to you?

[SkywalkerJedi]

... *falls over*

THEIR WEAPONS!

WHEN THEY SHOOT!

You know? They DO shoot at stuff in the movies! Eg, the Ewok battle!!! C'mon man!

Thats a speederblike not a airspeeder.

[Kittamaru]

Oh ffs...

Alright, let me tell you like this:

Can you tell me, EXACTLY, how a seismic charge works?

No?

Then we must ASSUME how it works.

It exhibits properties EXACTLY like a sonic charge!

Thus, unless you can debunk that, we can safely assume it operates on sonic waves.

Manuvering or not, missiles WILL be shot down.

any kind of TIE will be detonated long before it can do serious damage... and a TIE Bomber cannot bomb a ship moving faster than it... duh.

[Kittamaru]

Removing all sounds, do sound look blue to you?

Sure, why not...

I didn't write the wiki... you referenced it! I used it and that is what it said.

[Kittamaru]

I Said Speederbike! What The Hell Is Wrong With You?

[SkywalkerJedi]

Oh ffs...

Alright, let me tell you like this:

Can you tell me, EXACTLY, how a seismic charge works?

No?

Then we must ASSUME how it works.

It exhibits properties EXACTLY like a sonic charge!

Thus, unless you can debunk that, we can safely assume it operates on sonic waves.

Manuvering or not, missiles WILL be shot down.

any kind of TIE will be detonated long before it can do serious damage... and a TIE Bomber cannot bomb a ship moving faster than it... duh.

TIE Bombers carry missiles too. Yes I can, a sismic charge release a large amount of energy, it compacts the released again into a flat shape. Sonic Charge have no color, sismic charges release blue energy. IF a ship can dodge phaser, so can a missile.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Sure, why not...

I didn't write the wiki... you referenced it! I used it and that is what it said.

If it is sonic why is it blue? If you are not satisfied with my reasponces, discusse that with other Star Wars debaters, like TW Scott.

[SkywalkerJedi]

I Said Speederbike! What The Hell Is Wrong With You?

You said amosperic veicals, thats airspeeders. What is wrong with you?

[Kittamaru]

*falls over yet again*

Fine, they carry missiles... which will just be shot down.

Ships RARELY dodge a phaser blast, and usually those that do ARE CLOAKED!

You want me to REALLY fuck your missiles? Fine... I'll transport them, then wipe the buffer. There, they CEASE TO EXIST.

Yes I can, a sismic charge release a large amount of energy, it compacts the released again into a flat shape. Sonic Charge have no color, sismic charges release blue energy.

Are you insane? That doesn't say HOW it works! How do you "compact energy", then release it "in a flat shape?

Did you LISTEN to the charge in the movies? It was an OBVIOUS sonic resonance wave, maybe even a sonic resonance cascade!

[Kittamaru]

You said amosperic veicals, thats airspeeders. What is wrong with you?

I said "speeder bikes, landspeeders, and atmospheric craft"

I was making reference to PLANETARY, rather than SPACE, craft... CONTEXT read man! Context!

[Kittamaru]

If it is sonic why is it blue? If you are not satisfied with my reasponces, discusse that with other Star Wars debaters, like TW Scott.

It was blue because it super-heated the molecules of dust and debris and made them glow blue? You can't SEE a seismic wave either...

You know, I'm about ready to block you too... you argue like a damned ten year old with no understanding of basic principals!

[SkywalkerJedi]

*falls over yet again*

Fine, they carry missiles... which will just be shot down.

Ships RARELY dodge a phaser blast, and usually those that do ARE CLOAKED!

You want me to REALLY fuck your missiles? Fine... I'll transport them, then wipe the buffer. There, they CEASE TO EXIST.

The transporter only can transport less then 10 objects, they will fire hundreds of missile. Then why have I seen they dodge phaser in the defence of Earth.

Yes I can, a sismic charge release a large amount of energy, it compacts the released again into a flat shape. Sonic Charge have no color, sismic charges release blue energy.

Are you insane? That doesn't say HOW it works! How do you "compact energy", then release it "in a flat shape?

Thats the best I can give you, I didn't make Star Wars or the Wiki.

Did you LISTEN to the charge in the movies? It was an OBVIOUS sonic resonance wave, maybe even a sonic resonance cascade!

It is blue, sound have no color, if you are not satisfied asked other Star Wars debaters.