View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #9641
    What relevancy does "screaming" have with the subject at hand?

  2. #9642
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    That the Federation has no infantry is not a canon statement.
    Star Fleet does have marines. Star Fleet did use Ground forces to retake Cardassia. Your knowledge appears antiquated.
    The need for a standing army is nonexistent with transporter and orbital bombardment technology.

    Why express these cancelled and ancient ideas of war.
    Technology is used to support infantry, Star Wars too use orbital bombardment, but if you are taking a planet back, you don't want to damage it so neither the Republic, Empire or Rebles used bombs on their own world, but CIS use bombs. I ask for a canon source on Starfleet's Marines.

  3. #9643
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    Excellent.

    So you concede that Wong's turbolaser calculations based on the asteroid scene in ESB are absolutely bunk. The allegedly iron/nickel asteroid could not have been vaporized because, as you just stated, "turbolasters don't vaporize metal." Rather, the bulk of the asteroid shattered into fragments after the impact of the turbolaser bolt created a minor thermal flash.
    I don't really care about Wong's website. I agree the astroid didn't vaporize.

  4. #9644
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    You are right the force barly do any damage. Here is a canon source

    http://www.starwars.com/databank/sta...vei/index.html
    They are only called lasers, there is two names for laser cannons, one is Blaster Cannon and one is Laser Cannon.
    And yet when deployed against fighters the effect becomes explosive more often than not..

    The canon proof is the A wing that was sent into a tail spin, coliding with the Executors bridge. The X wing following was obliterated, not vaporized. In fact not one ship in Star Wars has ever been vaporized.

    Relying on the assumption that the weapons are lasers in name only is not canon. In no point in canon s it stated they are not lasers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    What relevancy does "screaming" have with the subject at hand?
    If you scream you can sound the alarm without even move a hand. I don't think the Sercuity will touch their communicators when there is Snipers, RCs and ARCs aiming at him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    And yet when deployed against fighters the effect becomes explosive more often than not..

    The canon proof is the A wing that was sent into a tail spin, coliding with the Executors bridge. The X wing following was obliterated, not vaporized. In fact not one ship in Star Wars has ever been vaporized.

    Relying on the assumption that the weapons are lasers in name only is not canon. In no point in canon s it stated they are not lasers.
    I agree no Galactic Civilizations vaporized a Starfighter. But if EU is canon, Yuuzhan Vong can.

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    How about Hyperdrive, they can attack a ship before reinforcements arrive and jump to another target, they can do it all the time and the Federation will be played around with. it is not likey that they are gonna target one at a time, they will send Star Destoryers to mutiple targets at once. When the goal of scattering the reinforcements is achived they will all regroup and fight the scattered Starfleet

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Technology is used to support infantry, Star Wars too use orbital bombardment, but if you are taking a planet back, you don't want to damage it so neither the Republic, Empire or Rebles used bombs on their own world, but CIS use bombs. I ask for a canon source on Starfleet's Marines.
    Many ENTERPRISE Episodes featured marines.
    Star Trek 6 (General West propposes an extraction)

    Put simply, we can go in and rescue
    the Starfleet hostages and be out
    in 24 hours with an acceptable rate
    of loss in manpower and equipment.
    We have the technology --


    A General is an Army designation: At this point at the latter end of the 23 rd century the Federation has Ground units and a Branch of Military to handle them.

    The mid 24th century Chief Obrian is part of Setik Three in which the Cardassians have ceased the planet and a ground battle insues. Intresting to not that Obrian did not go to Star Fleet Academy. He is an enlisted man. He may have been previously of a different military division.

    DS9 AR 558:
    This episode shows that Star Fleet is arrange in some capacity for ground engagements

    The last episode of DS9 also related to the use of Ground Troopes to secure Cardassia...

    Ground Combat isn't not a problem for Star Fleet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    Many ENTERPRISE Episodes featured marines.
    Star Trek 6 (General West propposes an extraction)

    Put simply, we can go in and rescue
    the Starfleet hostages and be out
    in 24 hours with an acceptable rate
    of loss in manpower and equipment.
    We have the technology --


    A General is an Army designation: At this point at the latter end of the 23 rd century the Federation has Ground units and a Branch of Military to handle them.

    The mid 24th century Chief Obrian is part of Setik Three in which the Cardassians have ceased the planet and a ground battle insues. Intresting to not that Obrian did not go to Star Fleet Academy. He is an enlisted man. He may have been previously of a different military division.

    DS9 AR 558:
    This episode shows that Star Fleet is arrange in some capacity for ground engagements

    The last episode of DS9 also related to the use of Ground Troopes to secure Cardassia...

    Ground Combat isn't not a problem for Star Fleet.
    I perferr a canon link, please. Their army is as small as naboo's sercuity.

  10. #9650
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    If you scream you can sound the alarm without even move a hand. I don't think the Sercuity will touch their communicators when there is Snipers, RCs and ARCs aiming at him.
    This is repeative.
    Why is it important?

    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    I agree no Galactic Civilizations vaporized a Starfighter. But if EU is canon, Yuuzhan Vong can.
    Proof?

    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    How about Hyperdrive, they can attack a ship before reinforcements arrive and jump to another target, they can do it all the time and the Federation will be played around with. it is not likey that they are gonna target one at a time, they will send Star Destoryers to mutiple targets at once. When the goal of scattering the reinforcements is achived they will all regroup and fight the scattered Starfleet
    This is merely a tactic. No tactic is fool proof. Seeing as GFFA ships lack the firepower to deal with one Federation ship and lack the ability to locate them it is doubtfull they could do serious damage to the Federation Fleet. Ship to Fleet Combat would force Federation ships to retreat to warp speed.

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    Ground Combat is a problem for the Federation. The Republic Commandos and ARCs can take care of them. I am only inclueding the RC and ARC to be generous, if i am not how about 220,000,000 units of the GAR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    I perferr a canon link, please. Their army is as small as naboo's sercuity.

    There is no such thing as a canon link.
    I have given you the informatio you need aswell as a direct quote in the canon. If that isn't good enough you can search for yourself using Memory Alpha.

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    Skywalker, I can nullify your hyperdrive right now:

    The Great Barrier for starters...
    Then the fact that a mere gravity well disrupts it... so...
    We'll simply lock tractor beams onto your ships... Federation tractors are Gravimetric in nature, thus you cannot use hyperdrive.

    *grins* It'd be very funny to see the DS2 blasting away helplessly at the Ent-J's shields (the Temporal Enterprise) as the Ent-J tows it inexorably into a nearby transwarp conduit to bring it back to Earth for study XD

  14. #9654
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Ground Combat is a problem for the Federation. The Republic Commandos and ARCs can take care of them. I am only inclueding the RC and ARC to be generous, if i am not how about 220,000,000 units of the GAR.
    Negative. I can not Concur.
    Star Fleet's superior technology will avoid many of the perils ARC's encountered.

    Federation starships and troops enjoy a vast sensor range. ARC's have nothing compared. Being able to see aroun corners with a Tricorder is infinitely more advantageous. Surprise is a Trump card.

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    Oh, also - Hyperdrive usually requires a pre-planned course... while you're working on that planning, we'll just blow your hyperdrive engines off... hows that sound?

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    Ground combat eh?

    Type 10 shuttlecraft, Runabouts, Intrepid class starship, Norway class starships, Sabre class starships, Akira and Defiant class starships... they are ALL capable of atmospheric flight... how do you think your AT-AT's and smaller vessels will fare under a barrage of phaser, pulse-phaser, and Photon Torpedo fire?

  17. #9657
    Correction:
    Memory Alpha has shown Colonel West, Not General.

  18. #9658
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    Negative. I can not Concur.
    Star Fleet's superior technology will avoid many of the perils ARC's encountered.

    Federation starships and troops enjoy a vast sensor range. ARC's have nothing compared. Being able to see aroun corners with a Tricorder is infinitely more advantageous. Surprise is a Trump card.
    ARC have a mammtoh load of equitment. ARCs have sensors, just not everyone have a good sensor. ARCs have high aerobics, and RC Communications can just detect them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Ground combat eh?

    Type 10 shuttlecraft, Runabouts, Intrepid class starship, Norway class starships, Sabre class starships, Akira and Defiant class starships... they are ALL capable of atmospheric flight... how do you think your AT-AT's and smaller vessels will fare under a barrage of phaser, pulse-phaser, and Photon Torpedo fire?
    Star Destoryers, LATT/i, Attack Crusier, Bombers can all be used in atmosphere too. And Republic Walkers, like SP-HE, AT-TE, AT-HE have heavy blaster cannons to turbolasers. Earth is not oringinally a part of the Republic as they will show no mercy of bombing on earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Oh, also - Hyperdrive usually requires a pre-planned course... while you're working on that planning, we'll just blow your hyperdrive engines off... hows that sound?
    The reason they need to pre-plan because of the advanced speed of the hyperdrive. They have a back-up hyperdrive too. They plan coruse quickly if they have a good nav computer.

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