Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Hellblade8]

God, do you ever shut up? Enterprise-B used the same EU-non canon thing you did. I disproved him, and he shut up. Will you? And for the last time LUCAS HAS TO DIRECTLY STATE IT IS NON-CANON FOR IT TO BE TRUE!

I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. - George Lucas

Care to make yourself look any more foolish, or would you like to go on?

[Cody]

Where does he state it isn't canon?

[SkywalkerJedi]

If EU is non-canon why do they put it on the OFFICIAL database?

[SkywalkerJedi]

Care to make yourself look any more foolish, or would you like to go on?

Gosh, you are the one thats dumb. Star Wars Wiki is a reliable source, there is people checking it for non-canon infomation and delet it 24/7.

[Hellblade8]

That's what I posted it for, you idiot. Lucas dictates canon, therefore he has to directly state it is not for it to be true.

I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. - George Lucas ”

“ There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe."

Parallel
par·al·lel /ˈpærəˌlɛl, -ləl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[par-uh-lel, -luhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation adjective, noun, verb, -leled, -lel·ing or (especially British) -lelled, -lel·ling.
–adjective 1. extending in the same direction, equidistant at all points, and never converging or diverging: parallel rows of trees.
2. having the same direction, course, nature, or tendency; corresponding; similar; analogous: Canada and the U.S. have many parallel economic interests.
3. Geometry. a. (of straight lines) lying in the same plane but never meeting no matter how far extended.
b. (of planes) having common perpendiculars.
c. (of a single line, plane, etc.) equidistant from another or others (usually fol. by to or with).

4. Electricity. consisting of or having component parts connected in parallel: a parallel circuit.
5. Music. a. (of two voice parts) progressing so that the interval between them remains the same.
b. (of a tonality or key) having the same tonic but differing in mode.

6. Computers. a. of or pertaining to the apparent or actual performance of more than one operation at a time, by the same or different devices (distinguished from serial): Some computer systems join more than one CPU for parallel processing.
b. of or pertaining to the simultaneous transmission or processing of all the parts of a whole, as all the bits of a byte or all the bytes of a computer word (distinguished from serial).

Do you think you'd have other people continue the Star Wars saga past Episode VI or turn some of the other material into films?


“ But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books. But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it.

How can it be any harder to understand?

[SkywalkerJedi]

First of all, how about you start backing up your claims? I'm not an expert on Russia, but I somewhat doubt this much.

And no, I am not making Star Trek stuff up, and if you wish to slander my name with your accusations, you will provide evidence of where I am making stuff up, becuase thus far, you have yet to provide any evidence for anything you've claimed.




Gee, no shit.

Gosh! You don't even know your history. Gagarin is the first man in space, and check Wikipidiea, www.nasa.gov, and the ESA ( europian space agency ).

[Hellblade8]

Gosh, you are the one thats dumb. Star Wars Wiki is a reliable source, there is people checking it for non-canon infomation and delet it 24/7.

Uh-huh, and yet I fail to see quotes supporting your position, and many supporting mine.

[Cody]

No, it is you who doesn't understand. Does Lucas directly state that the EU isn't canon anywhere in there? No! He is saying that he doesn't read it, and that he doesn't try to keep it consistent. When Lucas's stuff contradicts a book, the book is considered non-canon. That is what he is saying.

[SkywalkerJedi]

How can it be any harder to understand?

Hy he licence it if it is non-canon? why did he put it on the offical database? prove to me it is not on the offical database. I have prove it is
http://www.starwars.com/databank/appearance/ep0.html
See the keyword: Expaned Universe

[Cody]

Here is a statement about canonocity:

In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity-tracking database referred to as the Holocron continuity database. The Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years, but the capabilities of database software allow for each element of a story, rather than the stories themselves, to be classified on their own merits.

The Holocron's database includes an area for a single-letter (G, C, S, N or T) representing the level of canonicity of that element; these letters have since informally been applied to the levels of canon themselves: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, N-canon and T-canon. As part of his work with the Holocron, Chee was responsible for the creation of this classification, and he spent the early stages developing and refining them into what they are today.

G, C, S and T together form the overall Star Wars continuity. Each ascending level typically overrides the lower ones; for example, Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, forcing the retcon of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story. However, this is not always absolute, and the resolution of all contradictions are handled on a case-by-case basis.

G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.

C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

N-canon is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Uh-huh, and yet I fail to see quotes supporting your position, and many supporting mine.

I tried to edit wiki, i said that Anakin Skywalker is taller without his suit ( which is untrue ) and they edit it back a minuit later.

[Hellblade8]

Gosh! You don't even know your history. Gagarin is the first man in space, and check Wikipidiea, www.nasa.gov, and the ESA ( europian space agency ).

And this has anything to do with what?

As I recall, ISDs can't even reach the output of more than two of these torps that you claim is so pathetic.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Here is a statement about canonocity:

In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity-tracking database referred to as the Holocron continuity database. The Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years, but the capabilities of database software allow for each element of a story, rather than the stories themselves, to be classified on their own merits.

The Holocron's database includes an area for a single-letter (G, C, S, N or T) representing the level of canonicity of that element; these letters have since informally been applied to the levels of canon themselves: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, N-canon and T-canon. As part of his work with the Holocron, Chee was responsible for the creation of this classification, and he spent the early stages developing and refining them into what they are today.

G, C, S and T together form the overall Star Wars continuity. Each ascending level typically overrides the lower ones; for example, Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, forcing the retcon of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story. However, this is not always absolute, and the resolution of all contradictions are handled on a case-by-case basis.

G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.

C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

N-canon is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.

He's right. if it is non-canon why did he licience it in the first place?

[SkywalkerJedi]

And this has anything to do with what?

As I recall, ISDs can't even reach the output of more than two of these torps that you claim is so pathetic.

I recall that you are dumber then a 6 year old. You asked me to prove that Russia have Ion Thrusters.

[Hellblade8]

I tried to edit wiki, i said that Anakin Skywalker is taller without his suit ( which is untrue ) and they edit it back a minuit later.

So what?

I don't care. For all I know, you could have done that yourself.

Now would you care to provide evidence that supports your position?

[SkywalkerJedi]

Try it yourself.

[Flectarn]

STARLOG: "The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?"
LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."

The emphasized bit makes it pretty clear to me that Lucas intends for the cannon policy to be like that of Star Trek, ie, only the stuff we see on screen counts.

[Cody]

Like I have said so many times before, Lucas has to say "The EU isn't canon." for it to be non-canon.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Spell right, cannon is a weapon. it is spelled canon. if it is non-canon why is it on the OFFICAL databank? why did he even licience it?

[Hellblade8]

Here is a statement about canonocity:

In 2000, Lucas Licensing appointed Leland Chee to create a continuity-tracking database referred to as the Holocron continuity database. The Holocron follows the canon policy that has been in effect for years, but the capabilities of database software allow for each element of a story, rather than the stories themselves, to be classified on their own merits.

The Holocron's database includes an area for a single-letter (G, C, S, N or T) representing the level of canonicity of that element; these letters have since informally been applied to the levels of canon themselves: G-canon, C-canon, S-canon, N-canon and T-canon. As part of his work with the Holocron, Chee was responsible for the creation of this classification, and he spent the early stages developing and refining them into what they are today.

G, C, S and T together form the overall Star Wars continuity. Each ascending level typically overrides the lower ones; for example, Boba Fett's back story was radically altered with the release of Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones, forcing the retcon of older source material to fall in line with the new G-canon back story. However, this is not always absolute, and the resolution of all contradictions are handled on a case-by-case basis.

G-canon is George Lucas Canon; the six Episodes and anything directly provided to Lucas Licensing by Lucas (including unpublished production notes from him or his production department that are never seen by the public). Elements originating with Lucas in the movie novelizations, reference books, and other sources are also G-canon, though anything created by the authors of those sources is C-canon. When the matter of changes between movie versions arises, the most recently released editions are deemed superior to older ones, as they correct mistakes, improve consistency between the two trilogies, and express Lucas's current vision of the Star Wars universe most closely.

T-canon, or Television Canon, refers to the canon level comprising only the two television shows: Star Wars: The Clone Wars and the Star Wars live-action TV series. Its precedence over C-Level canon was confirmed by Chee.

C-canon is Continuity Canon, consisting of all recent works (and many older works) released under the name of Star Wars: books, comics, games, cartoons, non-theatrical films, and more. Games are a special case, as generally only the stories are C-canon, while things like stats and gameplay may not be; they also offer non-canonical options to the player, such as choosing female gender for a canonically male character. C-canon elements have been known to appear in the movies, thus making them G-canon; examples include the name "Coruscant," swoop bikes, Quinlan Vos, Aayla Secura, YT-2400 freighters and Action VI transports.

S-canon is Secondary Canon; the materials are available to be used or ignored as needed by current authors. This includes mostly older works, such as much of the Marvel Star Wars comics, that predate a consistent effort to maintain continuity; it also contains certain elements of a few otherwise N-canon stories, and other things that "may not fit just right." Many formerly S-canon elements have been elevated to C-canon through their inclusion in more recent works by continuity-minded authors, while many other older works (such as The Han Solo Adventures) were accounted for in continuity from the start despite their age, and thus were always C-canon.

N-canon is Non-Canon. What-if stories (such as stories published under the Infinities label) and anything else directly and irreconcilably contradicted by higher canon ends up here. N-canon is the only level that is not considered canon by Lucasfilm.

Source?

And again, this is contradicted by the quotes that I have posted here. Furthermore, this would only apply for EU, since the point of these layers was to keep some consistency throughout EU. Hence, this quote:

I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions. - George Lucas