View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #9021
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    Your statements are not making sense because of the run on sentences and subject changes in the same paragraph. It is very difficult to decipher you meaning.

    I don't understand what a ships payload has anything to do with weapon emplacements.

    I never read that they were using actual communication. As far as I could tell it was merely sensing of awareness and limited thought transferal nothing truely telapathic.



    I'd have to agree if this is actually a term used in Star Wars instead of TurboLaser, then despite what they look like which could be merely a visual effects illusion then a laser would have no effect against Federation shields.

    Formerly it was understood that Turbo lasers were somesort of hybrid weapon but if thy're using lasers too in this novel then there is no visual effect to go by.

    AT-AT and ST were described as Blaster equipped platforms not lasers. If this is an upgrade from blaster to laser then we can surmize that turbo lasers are some sort of branch family and the weapon ranges are within similar distructive potential, in the area of 3 or 4 magnitudes greater and nothing more.
    The At-AT and AT-Sts can be loaded into battle stance then they can use their cannons. Grand Master Luke Skywalker said that it is a from of communication not me, ask him not me.i never said that the SHIP's weapons have 10,000 blaster cannons. i said there are 10,000 blaster cannons in a ISD.

  2. #9022
    so does that mean there are firing bays or something the At-x's can be mounted into to augment the ships guns? the internal layout of an isd must be... interesting

  3. #9023
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flectarn View Post
    realy it would be the other way, you use probes when your propulsion technology is low, like we do today, you use ships when you can go fast, explore and come home for shore leave. they also are just interested in the adventure of exploration, of seeking out new life and new civilization as it were, to go where no man has gone before. moreover they do use telescopes for long range surveying. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Argus_Array
    i said probes, probes are remote controlled self-popelling robots used for explore. A remote controlled ship can be a probe. i mean remote controlled ship when i said probe, they can have Hyperdrives. And the Republic don't need to explore their galaxy because it is already explored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flectarn View Post
    so does that mean there are firing bays or something the At-x's can be mounted into to augment the ships guns? the internal layout of an isd must be... interesting
    They can do it. A Star Destoryer is a Warship, and a Base. it dosen't inculed recreational stuff because it is used to fight a war. there must be excersice facilities to keep the troops in top shape. the troops self in bunkers like a modern aircraft carrier's crew, they don't have thier own quarters. it's interal layout have two porpuses, first save space, second is to maximunize fire power. Again a Star Destoryer is a Warship and a Base, it is used for war.

  5. #9025
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    i said probes, probes are remote controlled self-popelling robots used for explore. A remote controlled ship can be a probe. i mean remote controlled ship when i said probe, they can have Hyperdrives. And the Republic don't need to explore their galaxy because it is already explored.
    you said the federation uses ships to explore becuase their engines are too slow.
    this doesn't relay jive with the mission roles of a manned starship versus a probe.



    The galaxy is explored... except of course for the unknown regions... which seem to be a rather large chunk of the galaxy, to go by EU sources that is

  6. #9026
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    They can do it. A Star Destoryer is a Warship, and a Base. it dosen't inculed recreational stuff because it is used to fight a war. there must be excersice facilities to keep the troops in top shape. the troops self in bunkers like a modern aircraft carrier's crew, they don't have thier own quarters. it's interal layout have two porpuses, first save space, second is to maximunize fire power. Again a Star Destoryer is a Warship and a Base, it is used for war.
    having huge coridors for at-at's to wonder around so they can get from cargo bays to hanger bays or to the sides of the ship to fire out port holes dosn't seem like it saves alot of space

  7. #9027
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Here is a map of where Kamino is. See the two galaxies orbiting the Star Wars Galaxy? one is Rishi maze, Kamino is one the far side of Rishi maze. " No, it is beyond the Rishi maze." -Dexter

    thats the map from the jedi archives, so it is not very big.
    the Unknow regions is outside the republic, it is controlled by the Chiss. it is called unknow regions because the chiss never allowed them to come in close contact with the species there, so most species are unknown, so thats why it is the Unknown Regions. the Chiss later joined the republic, and they never changed the name. The map i provided is seen in the Jedi Archives in Attack of the Clones, it is very accuact. And just to tell you the Unknown is only the border of the galaxy

  8. #9028
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flectarn View Post
    having huge coridors for at-at's to wonder around so they can get from cargo bays to hanger bays or to the sides of the ship to fire out port holes dosn't seem like it saves alot of space
    That do save space, they can carry troops around, they can be transports you know, and they can move!

  9. #9029
    while cannonly accurate, it doesn't really tell us very much other then the gffa is a spiral galaxy with dark spots in front of the core

  10. #9030
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    The At-AT and AT-Sts can be loaded into battle stance then they can use their cannons. Grand Master Luke Skywalker said that it is a from of communication not me, ask him not me.i never said that the SHIP's weapons have 10,000 blaster cannons. i said there are 10,000 blaster cannons in a ISD.
    Without direct quotes I can't really get the sense of what you're trying to convey. I don't think it's nearly as clear as you make it out to be in refrence to the links. Go, find it and share it. I'd prefer title and page to confirm both statements. I

  11. #9031
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flectarn View Post
    while cannonly accurate, it doesn't really tell us very much other then the gffa is a spiral galaxy with dark spots in front of the core
    The dark spots are the important systems. it dose show that they explored outside of their own galaxy, because they been there, if they never been there how can they make a map of it?

  12. #9032
    http://images.google.com/images?q=Mi...tart=0&start=0

    by extrapolating, the same way we can

    heh... the first to hits are star trek maps "chuckle"

  13. #9033
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    the Unknow regions is outside the republic, it is controlled by the Chiss. it is called unknow regions because the chiss never allowed them to come in close contact with the species there, so most species are unknown, so thats why it is the Unknown Regions. the Chiss later joined the republic, and they never changed the name. The map i provided is seen in the Jedi Archives in Attack of the Clones, it is very accuact. And just to tell you the Unknown is only the border of the galaxy
    I'm not even sure what you're refrencing on this "map" which is better called a photo. "The only border to the Galaxy" ...this is another confusing statement. What are you refering too?

  14. #9034
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    " After the misson to Myrkr, the Jedi began using the force as to communicate" Luke skywalker. It is in the Unifying force, do yo expect me to go look through 527 pages for the qoute?

  15. #9035
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saquist View Post
    I'm not even sure what you're refrencing on this "map" which is better called a photo. "The only border to the Galaxy" ...this is another confusing statement. What are you refering too?
    The border of the galaxy is the perimeter.

  16. #9036
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flectarn View Post
    http://images.google.com/images?q=Mi...tart=0&start=0

    by extrapolating, the same way we can

    heh... the first to hits are star trek maps "chuckle"
    They know exactly where the planets are and their names. Obi-Wan has been there and so have countless other Jedi.

  17. #9037
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    Remember the Jedi, Sith and other force-using organizations use the force here is a demostartion of the power of the Dark side

    see that? that is Force-Storm the Force-Strom suck the Ships into a Force-made hyperspace wormhole and make the whole fleet crash on the planet. Here is a list of force abilities
    Drain Life
    Death Field
    Deadly Sight
    Electromagnetic torpedo
    Force corrupt
    Force Lightning
    Force Shock
    Force Storm
    Force Wound
    Force Choke
    Force Grip
    Force Crush
    Force Slow
    Force Affliction
    Force Plague
    Force Fear
    Force Horror
    Force Insanity
    Force Scream
    Force Rage
    Mechu-deru
    Quey'tek
    Thought Bomb
    Torture by chagrin
    Spear of midnight black
    Midichlorian Manipulation

    If you want to know their damage check this website
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers
    I only listed the Dark Side abilities there is alot more abilities.
    Here is the light side abilities
    Alter Environment
    Animal Friendship
    Battlemind
    Battle Precognition
    Combustion
    Droid Disable
    Electric Judgment
    Force Blinding
    Force Enlightenment
    Force Healing
    Force Light
    Force Orb
    Force Projection
    Force Protection A power only achieved by high-rank Jedi Masters, Force protection made the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of attacks; the ultimate power in terms of defense.
    Force Defend Reduced damage taken by Force powers.
    Force Absorb A trained Jedi may have converted all kinds of Force attacks used against them to additional Force charge. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers was limited, a Jedi could use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.
    Protection Bubble With this Force power, the user could create a defensive sphere around the body, which would protect him from a wide range of attacks, deflect laser blasts, and inflict a certain amount of damage upon contact with the enemy.

    Force Stun
    Force Stasis advanced version of Force Stun
    Force Stasis Field the most advanced version of Force Stun
    Force Valor
    Hibernation Trance
    Mind Trick (Also known as Affect Mind)
    Force Persuasion Less powerful than the Mind Trick
    Malacia
    Morichro
    Plant Surge
    Ray

    Here is the basic abilities:
    Force Speed
    Force Cloak
    Force Concealment (Also known as Force Stealth)
    Force Sense
    Farseeing
    Force Empathy
    Force Seeing
    Telekinesis
    Force Jump/Leap
    Force Pull/Push
    Telepathy

    Here is the Univerial Abilities
    Art of the Small
    Battle Meditation
    Breath Control
    Comprehend Speech
    Dopplegänger
    Force Bellow
    Force Body
    Force Comprehension
    Force Confusion
    Force Deflection (without a lightsaber)
    Force Listening

    Oppo Rancisis using Battle meditation.Force Flash
    Force Illusion
    Force Meld
    Revitalize
    Force Suppression
    Force Breach advanced version of Force Suppression
    Force Throw
    Force Vision
    Force Whirlwind variation of Force Push
    Force Wave advanced version of Force Push
    Force Repulse another advanced version of Force Push
    Force Weapon
    Force Whisper
    Precognition
    Psychometry
    Sever Force
    Spirit Transference
    Tapas

    Lets see the Federation handle that.
    Last edited by SkywalkerJedi; 03-23-08 at 06:26 PM.

  18. #9038
    well, if it's too much for federation tech to handle... they could always get the organinans involved... at the very least they'd stop the war.

    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Organian

  19. #9039
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    Force-users will still win. check http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers do you know how powerful they are? The Force can block abilities that wipe memoires and mind control

  20. #9040
    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    The border of the galaxy is the perimeter.
    eh em...DUH.
    What doesn the Unknown region have to do with "border to the Galaxy"


    Quote Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi View Post
    Remember the Jedi, Sith and other force-using organizations use the force here is a demostartion of the power of the Dark side

    see that? that is Force-Storm the Force-Strom suck the Ships into a Force-made hyperspace wormhole and make the whole fleet crash on the planet. Here is a list of force abilities
    Drain Life
    Death Field
    Deadly Sight
    Electromagnetic torpedo
    Force corrupt
    Force Lightning
    Force Shock
    Force Storm
    Force Wound
    Force Choke
    Force Grip
    Force Crush
    Force Slow
    Force Affliction
    Force Plague
    Force Fear
    Force Horror
    Force Insanity
    Force Scream
    Force Rage
    Mechu-deru
    Quey'tek
    Thought Bomb
    Torture by chagrin
    Spear of midnight black
    Midichlorian Manipulation

    If you want to know their damage check this website
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers
    I only listed the Dark Side abilities there is alot more abilities.
    Here is the light side abilities
    Alter Environment
    Animal Friendship
    Battlemind
    Battle Precognition
    Combustion
    Droid Disable
    Electric Judgment
    Force Blinding
    Force Enlightenment
    Force Healing
    Force Light
    Force Orb
    Force Projection
    Force Protection A power only achieved by high-rank Jedi Masters, Force protection made the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of attacks; the ultimate power in terms of defense.
    Force Defend Reduced damage taken by Force powers.
    Force Absorb A trained Jedi may have converted all kinds of Force attacks used against them to additional Force charge. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers was limited, a Jedi could use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.
    Protection Bubble With this Force power, the user could create a defensive sphere around the body, which would protect him from a wide range of attacks, deflect laser blasts, and inflict a certain amount of damage upon contact with the enemy.

    Force Stun
    Force Stasis advanced version of Force Stun
    Force Stasis Field the most advanced version of Force Stun
    Force Valor
    Hibernation Trance
    Mind Trick (Also known as Affect Mind)
    Force Persuasion Less powerful than the Mind Trick
    Malacia
    Morichro
    Plant Surge
    Ray

    Here is the basic abilities:
    Force Speed
    Force Cloak
    Force Concealment (Also known as Force Stealth)
    Force Sense
    Farseeing
    Force Empathy
    Force Seeing
    Telekinesis
    Force Jump/Leap
    Force Pull/Push
    Telepathy

    Here is the Univerial Abilities
    Art of the Small
    Battle Meditation
    Breath Control
    Comprehend Speech
    Dopplegänger
    Force Bellow
    Force Body
    Force Comprehension
    Force Confusion
    Force Deflection (without a lightsaber)
    Force Listening

    Oppo Rancisis using Battle meditation.Force Flash
    Force Illusion
    Force Meld
    Revitalize
    Force Suppression
    Force Breach advanced version of Force Suppression
    Force Throw
    Force Vision
    Force Whirlwind variation of Force Push
    Force Wave advanced version of Force Push
    Force Repulse another advanced version of Force Push
    Force Weapon
    Force Whisper
    Precognition
    Psychometry
    Sever Force
    Spirit Transference
    Tapas

    Lets see the Federation handle that.
    Likely more than half are comic book excentricities. They have nothing resembling the later Star Wars abilities at all, which we see on film.

    Nevertheless many of the tricks aren't fool proof otherwise the ships wouldn't be necessary for conquest and I think Trek has more than it's fair share beings capable of handling the Force users.

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