Star Wars vs Star Trek

[SkywalkerJedi]

Your statements are not making sense because of the run on sentences and subject changes in the same paragraph. It is very difficult to decipher you meaning.

I don't understand what a ships payload has anything to do with weapon emplacements.

I never read that they were using actual communication. As far as I could tell it was merely sensing of awareness and limited thought transferal nothing truely telapathic.



I'd have to agree if this is actually a term used in Star Wars instead of TurboLaser, then despite what they look like which could be merely a visual effects illusion then a laser would have no effect against Federation shields.

Formerly it was understood that Turbo lasers were somesort of hybrid weapon but if thy're using lasers too in this novel then there is no visual effect to go by.

AT-AT and ST were described as Blaster equipped platforms not lasers. If this is an upgrade from blaster to laser then we can surmize that turbo lasers are some sort of branch family and the weapon ranges are within similar distructive potential, in the area of 3 or 4 magnitudes greater and nothing more.

The At-AT and AT-Sts can be loaded into battle stance then they can use their cannons. Grand Master Luke Skywalker said that it is a from of communication not me, ask him not me.i never said that the SHIP's weapons have 10,000 blaster cannons. i said there are 10,000 blaster cannons in a ISD.

[Flectarn]

so does that mean there are firing bays or something the At-x's can be mounted into to augment the ships guns? the internal layout of an isd must be... interesting

[SkywalkerJedi]

realy it would be the other way, you use probes when your propulsion technology is low, like we do today, you use ships when you can go fast, explore and come home for shore leave. they also are just interested in the adventure of exploration, of seeking out new life and new civilization as it were, to go where no man has gone before. moreover they do use telescopes for long range surveying. http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Argus_Array

i said probes, probes are remote controlled self-popelling robots used for explore. A remote controlled ship can be a probe. i mean remote controlled ship when i said probe, they can have Hyperdrives. And the Republic don't need to explore their galaxy because it is already explored.

[SkywalkerJedi]

so does that mean there are firing bays or something the At-x's can be mounted into to augment the ships guns? the internal layout of an isd must be... interesting

They can do it. A Star Destoryer is a Warship, and a Base. it dosen't inculed recreational stuff because it is used to fight a war. there must be excersice facilities to keep the troops in top shape. the troops self in bunkers like a modern aircraft carrier's crew, they don't have thier own quarters. it's interal layout have two porpuses, first save space, second is to maximunize fire power. Again a Star Destoryer is a Warship and a Base, it is used for war.

[Flectarn]

i said probes, probes are remote controlled self-popelling robots used for explore. A remote controlled ship can be a probe. i mean remote controlled ship when i said probe, they can have Hyperdrives. And the Republic don't need to explore their galaxy because it is already explored.

you said the federation uses ships to explore becuase their engines are too slow.
this doesn't relay jive with the mission roles of a manned starship versus a probe.



The galaxy is explored... except of course for the unknown regions... which seem to be a rather large chunk of the galaxy, to go by EU sources that is

[Flectarn]

They can do it. A Star Destoryer is a Warship, and a Base. it dosen't inculed recreational stuff because it is used to fight a war. there must be excersice facilities to keep the troops in top shape. the troops self in bunkers like a modern aircraft carrier's crew, they don't have thier own quarters. it's interal layout have two porpuses, first save space, second is to maximunize fire power. Again a Star Destoryer is a Warship and a Base, it is used for war.

having huge coridors for at-at's to wonder around so they can get from cargo bays to hanger bays or to the sides of the ship to fire out port holes dosn't seem like it saves alot of space

[SkywalkerJedi]

Here is a map of where Kamino is. See the two galaxies orbiting the Star Wars Galaxy? one is Rishi maze, Kamino is one the far side of Rishi maze. " No, it is beyond the Rishi maze." -Dexter

thats the map from the jedi archives, so it is not very big.

the Unknow regions is outside the republic, it is controlled by the Chiss. it is called unknow regions because the chiss never allowed them to come in close contact with the species there, so most species are unknown, so thats why it is the Unknown Regions. the Chiss later joined the republic, and they never changed the name. The map i provided is seen in the Jedi Archives in Attack of the Clones, it is very accuact. And just to tell you the Unknown is only the border of the galaxy

[SkywalkerJedi]

having huge coridors for at-at's to wonder around so they can get from cargo bays to hanger bays or to the sides of the ship to fire out port holes dosn't seem like it saves alot of space

That do save space, they can carry troops around, they can be transports you know, and they can move!

[Flectarn]

while cannonly accurate, it doesn't really tell us very much other then the gffa is a spiral galaxy with dark spots in front of the core

[Saquist]

The At-AT and AT-Sts can be loaded into battle stance then they can use their cannons. Grand Master Luke Skywalker said that it is a from of communication not me, ask him not me.i never said that the SHIP's weapons have 10,000 blaster cannons. i said there are 10,000 blaster cannons in a ISD.

Without direct quotes I can't really get the sense of what you're trying to convey. I don't think it's nearly as clear as you make it out to be in refrence to the links. Go, find it and share it. I'd prefer title and page to confirm both statements. I

[SkywalkerJedi]

while cannonly accurate, it doesn't really tell us very much other then the gffa is a spiral galaxy with dark spots in front of the core

The dark spots are the important systems. it dose show that they explored outside of their own galaxy, because they been there, if they never been there how can they make a map of it?

[Flectarn]

http://images.google.com/images?q=Mi...tart=0&start=0

by extrapolating, the same way we can

heh... the first to hits are star trek maps "chuckle"

[Saquist]

the Unknow regions is outside the republic, it is controlled by the Chiss. it is called unknow regions because the chiss never allowed them to come in close contact with the species there, so most species are unknown, so thats why it is the Unknown Regions. the Chiss later joined the republic, and they never changed the name. The map i provided is seen in the Jedi Archives in Attack of the Clones, it is very accuact. And just to tell you the Unknown is only the border of the galaxy

I'm not even sure what you're refrencing on this "map" which is better called a photo. "The only border to the Galaxy" ...this is another confusing statement. What are you refering too?

[SkywalkerJedi]

" After the misson to Myrkr, the Jedi began using the force as to communicate" Luke skywalker. It is in the Unifying force, do yo expect me to go look through 527 pages for the qoute?

[SkywalkerJedi]

I'm not even sure what you're refrencing on this "map" which is better called a photo. "The only border to the Galaxy" ...this is another confusing statement. What are you refering too?

The border of the galaxy is the perimeter.

[SkywalkerJedi]

http://images.google.com/images?q=Mi...tart=0&start=0

by extrapolating, the same way we can

heh... the first to hits are star trek maps "chuckle"

They know exactly where the planets are and their names. Obi-Wan has been there and so have countless other Jedi.

[SkywalkerJedi]

Remember the Jedi, Sith and other force-using organizations use the force here is a demostartion of the power of the Dark side

see that? that is Force-Storm the Force-Strom suck the Ships into a Force-made hyperspace wormhole and make the whole fleet crash on the planet. Here is a list of force abilities
Drain Life
Death Field
Deadly Sight
Electromagnetic torpedo
Force corrupt
Force Lightning
Force Shock
Force Storm
Force Wound
Force Choke
Force Grip
Force Crush
Force Slow
Force Affliction
Force Plague
Force Fear
Force Horror
Force Insanity
Force Scream
Force Rage
Mechu-deru
Quey'tek
Thought Bomb
Torture by chagrin
Spear of midnight black
Midichlorian Manipulation

If you want to know their damage check this website
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers
I only listed the Dark Side abilities there is alot more abilities.
Here is the light side abilities
Alter Environment
Animal Friendship
Battlemind
Battle Precognition
Combustion
Droid Disable
Electric Judgment
Force Blinding
Force Enlightenment
Force Healing
Force Light
Force Orb
Force Projection
Force Protection A power only achieved by high-rank Jedi Masters, Force protection made the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of attacks; the ultimate power in terms of defense.
Force Defend Reduced damage taken by Force powers.
Force Absorb A trained Jedi may have converted all kinds of Force attacks used against them to additional Force charge. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers was limited, a Jedi could use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.
Protection Bubble With this Force power, the user could create a defensive sphere around the body, which would protect him from a wide range of attacks, deflect laser blasts, and inflict a certain amount of damage upon contact with the enemy.

Force Stun
Force Stasis advanced version of Force Stun
Force Stasis Field the most advanced version of Force Stun
Force Valor
Hibernation Trance
Mind Trick (Also known as Affect Mind)
Force Persuasion Less powerful than the Mind Trick
Malacia
Morichro
Plant Surge
Ray

Here is the basic abilities:
Force Speed
Force Cloak
Force Concealment (Also known as Force Stealth)
Force Sense
Farseeing
Force Empathy
Force Seeing
Telekinesis
Force Jump/Leap
Force Pull/Push
Telepathy

Here is the Univerial Abilities
Art of the Small
Battle Meditation
Breath Control
Comprehend Speech
Dopplegänger
Force Bellow
Force Body
Force Comprehension
Force Confusion
Force Deflection (without a lightsaber)
Force Listening

Oppo Rancisis using Battle meditation.Force Flash
Force Illusion
Force Meld
Revitalize
Force Suppression
Force Breach advanced version of Force Suppression
Force Throw
Force Vision
Force Whirlwind variation of Force Push
Force Wave advanced version of Force Push
Force Repulse another advanced version of Force Push
Force Weapon
Force Whisper
Precognition
Psychometry
Sever Force
Spirit Transference
Tapas

Lets see the Federation handle that.

[Flectarn]

well, if it's too much for federation tech to handle... they could always get the organinans involved... at the very least they'd stop the war.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Organian

[SkywalkerJedi]

Force-users will still win. check http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers do you know how powerful they are? The Force can block abilities that wipe memoires and mind control

[Saquist]

The border of the galaxy is the perimeter.

eh em...DUH.
What doesn the Unknown region have to do with "border to the Galaxy"

Remember the Jedi, Sith and other force-using organizations use the force here is a demostartion of the power of the Dark side

see that? that is Force-Storm the Force-Strom suck the Ships into a Force-made hyperspace wormhole and make the whole fleet crash on the planet. Here is a list of force abilities
Drain Life
Death Field
Deadly Sight
Electromagnetic torpedo
Force corrupt
Force Lightning
Force Shock
Force Storm
Force Wound
Force Choke
Force Grip
Force Crush
Force Slow
Force Affliction
Force Plague
Force Fear
Force Horror
Force Insanity
Force Scream
Force Rage
Mechu-deru
Quey'tek
Thought Bomb
Torture by chagrin
Spear of midnight black
Midichlorian Manipulation

If you want to know their damage check this website
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_powers
I only listed the Dark Side abilities there is alot more abilities.
Here is the light side abilities
Alter Environment
Animal Friendship
Battlemind
Battle Precognition
Combustion
Droid Disable
Electric Judgment
Force Blinding
Force Enlightenment
Force Healing
Force Light
Force Orb
Force Projection
Force Protection A power only achieved by high-rank Jedi Masters, Force protection made the bearer invulnerable to a wide range of attacks; the ultimate power in terms of defense.
Force Defend Reduced damage taken by Force powers.
Force Absorb A trained Jedi may have converted all kinds of Force attacks used against them to additional Force charge. As the energy used to perform Force-related powers was limited, a Jedi could use the enemy's attacks to their own benefit, instead of receiving damage from them.
Protection Bubble With this Force power, the user could create a defensive sphere around the body, which would protect him from a wide range of attacks, deflect laser blasts, and inflict a certain amount of damage upon contact with the enemy.

Force Stun
Force Stasis advanced version of Force Stun
Force Stasis Field the most advanced version of Force Stun
Force Valor
Hibernation Trance
Mind Trick (Also known as Affect Mind)
Force Persuasion Less powerful than the Mind Trick
Malacia
Morichro
Plant Surge
Ray

Here is the basic abilities:
Force Speed
Force Cloak
Force Concealment (Also known as Force Stealth)
Force Sense
Farseeing
Force Empathy
Force Seeing
Telekinesis
Force Jump/Leap
Force Pull/Push
Telepathy

Here is the Univerial Abilities
Art of the Small
Battle Meditation
Breath Control
Comprehend Speech
Dopplegänger
Force Bellow
Force Body
Force Comprehension
Force Confusion
Force Deflection (without a lightsaber)
Force Listening

Oppo Rancisis using Battle meditation.Force Flash
Force Illusion
Force Meld
Revitalize
Force Suppression
Force Breach advanced version of Force Suppression
Force Throw
Force Vision
Force Whirlwind variation of Force Push
Force Wave advanced version of Force Push
Force Repulse another advanced version of Force Push
Force Weapon
Force Whisper
Precognition
Psychometry
Sever Force
Spirit Transference
Tapas

Lets see the Federation handle that.

Likely more than half are comic book excentricities. They have nothing resembling the later Star Wars abilities at all, which we see on film.

Nevertheless many of the tricks aren't fool proof otherwise the ships wouldn't be necessary for conquest and I think Trek has more than it's fair share beings capable of handling the Force users.