Star Wars vs Star Trek

**antaran_1979** · 03-22-08, 03:12 PM

i have this pic on my PC
i love it
however since i never wached B5 i can't really estemate the relative power for all of the ships.

**Flectarn** · 03-22-08, 03:18 PM

Deaths stars on the next one... the huge ships.
i posted a link to the complete set a few pages back

**antaran_1979** · 03-22-08, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

i think they have a crew of all droids or clones. bare in mind that the Empire DID use droids.

i doubt they would rely on droids to pilot the ships. there are few droids in the movies. and clones are said to be better. still to operate a ship even the clones would need aditional time for training plus growth time.

**SkywalkerJedi** · 03-22-08, 03:19 PM

Ya, but Star Wars ships are bigger, they forgot to include the DS and DSII Tarkin station, and the Jedi Training ship.

**SkywalkerJedi** · 03-22-08, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

i doubt they would rely on droids to pilot the ships. there are few droids in the movies. and clones are said to be better. still to operate a ship even the clones would need aditional time for training plus growth time.

ya, but there are thousands or even hundreds of thousands of cloning facilities.

**antaran_1979** · 03-22-08, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Flectarn

Deaths stars on the next one... the huge ships.
i posted a link to the complete set a few pages back

i don't recall by they were 70-200km wide right?

**SkywalkerJedi** · 03-22-08, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

i don't recall by they were 70-200km wide right?

no the DSII is 200 KM wide

**antaran_1979** · 03-22-08, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

ya, but there are thousands or even hundreds of thousands of cloning facilities.

still it always take time to grow them. and what's more imprtant to train them.

**SkywalkerJedi** · 03-22-08, 03:22 PM

Flectarn, i dont care how many capital cities are there, but Coruscant is a planet capital. its a planet.

**SkywalkerJedi** · 03-22-08, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by antaran_1979

still it always take time to grow them. and what's more imprtant to train them.

ya, but they already have a bunch of troopes and pilots

**antaran_1979** · 03-22-08, 03:24 PM

nice chatting with you guys but i gotta go. it's saturday nigh

party time

**antaran_1979** · 03-22-08, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

ya, but they already have a bunch of troopes and pilots

those are in active service. the recruitment for the new ships is what i was refering to.

**Hellblade8** · 03-22-08, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

EU is canon. it is approved by George Lucas

Sorry, but I already posted the link and quote of him debunking that claim. EU is a seperate universe than his own.

But there's no story past Episode VI, there's just no story. It's a certain story about Anakin Skywalker and once Anakin Skywalker dies, that's kind of the end of the story. There is no story about Luke Skywalker, I mean apart from the books. But there's three worlds: There's my world that I made up, there's the licensing world that's the books, the comics, all that kind of stuff, the games, which is their world, and then there's the fans' world, which is also very rich in imagination, but they don't always mesh. All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it.

Evidence has been provided three times for you now.

**Hellblade8** · 03-22-08, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

you guys are forgetting that thet Death Star,

You mean the one with the large meter hole in it that a blind Klingon could hit?

Death Squadron, or Open circle fleet

Provide evidence that these exist. And no, EU, as I've proven, is not considered canon.

can destory Earth and Vulcan

Good, now they just need to find it before the UFP prepares to defend itself. Besides, there is always a few starships nearby to defend Earth.

and that will be a instant victory,

No it won't. The UFP isn't just made up of those two planets, although the loss of them could crippled the Federation.

or they just wipe out that Starfleet so the Federation is powerless( too bad they dont have ground troops or they can defend themselves ) so the federation will act on the Republic or the Empire's demands.

And pray tell how they're going to do this when their strongest weapon is 81x weaker than a standard photon torpedo?

don't forget the Federation is only an Alliance not a country like the Republic or the Empire!

Actually, its like the United States, in that it is one big country. They are united however, and can leave when they want, but they are a country.

**Hellblade8** · 03-22-08, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

yah, the astroids they blew up are HOLLOW

If by they, you mean the one that Jango chased Old Ben through, then yes.

**Flectarn** · 03-22-08, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Hellblade8

Good, now they just need to find it before the UFP prepares to defend itself. Besides, there is always a few starships nearby to defend Earth.
.

well... not always... the not quite ready enterprise was the only thing that stood between earth and v'ger in the motion picture... which just seemed odd.

**Hellblade8** · 03-22-08, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

Turbolasers are more powerful than that! they are more than two times the power you listed!

So sorry, but saying something doesn't make it true. Proving something with evidence is what is needed in order to confirm your claim.

Also, even if we were to say you were right, and it was 2x stronger than what I claimed...that's still only 212 megatons, far inferior to what the Enterprise D can toss out with just one volley from its forward torpedoe bay, which is still twice that level.

Furthermore, there is zero chance that even with a broadside volley, a target will take that much. Only 106 megatons will have a chance, and at least 25% of that will miss (much more in reality, but I'm being conservative here), so that's still only 79.5 Assuming only 75% of the photons hit, the Enterprise just dealt 245.7 megatons to the ISD's shield grid. Even if we assume that an ISD has shield output of four times their full volley, that would put them at 848 megatons worth of firepower they cna withstand. Meanwhile, the Federation ship is next to unharmed.

And really, a full volley would also consist of phaser fire, which I will try and look up soon.

But in any case, reality places the volley at 106 megatons, 53 of which only have a chance of hitting the Enterprise D, even with a broadside. At least 25% is going to miss, and that leaves only 39.75 megatons worth of firepower. Oh, wow, your full volley just did less than half of yield of a single torpedoe.

**Hellblade8** · 03-22-08, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Flectarn

well... not always... the not quite ready enterprise was the only thing that stood between earth and v'ger in the motion picture... which just seemed odd.

Well, we're talking about a hundred years later.

In any case, if the UFP is at war with the Empire (as would be assumed that it would mutually have been declared), the UFP would station ships near earth, and they would also have orbital defenses.

**Hellblade8** · 03-22-08, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by SkywalkerJedi

Star Wars peole are smarter. Star Trek people have weird names for stuff dosen't mean that they are smarter.

Anakin SKywalker at the age of 9 built a very fast podracer and a prodical droid that can speak more than 6 million froms of communication, with VERY LIMITED resourses in watto's junk store, "I can fix anything!" " i belive you can." Anakin talking to Qui-Gon. Can Star Trek 9 year olds do that? No. Anakin costumized his own fighter Azure Angle and Azure Angel II beyond the reconization of the oringial ship ON HIS OWN at the age of 19 in the time of war in a war zone.

Can star Trek people do that? NO!
Anakin Skywalker destoryed a battleship and won a war SINGLE-HANDED at the age of 9. Can Star Trek people do that? no!

. Weird names dosen't mean they are smarter, but the products can. Anakin Skywalker can build his own Starfighter from strach if he have the right equitment, and contitions thats NOT in a warzone!

Yeah, because using the mary sue character who has Jedi powers is a realistic baseline for all the other normal and well developed characters.

Idiot.

**Flectarn** · 03-22-08, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hellblade8

So sorry, but saying something doesn't make it true. Proving something with evidence is what is needed in order to confirm your claim.

Also, even if we were to say you were right, and it was 2x stronger than what I claimed...that's still only 212 megatons, far inferior to what the Enterprise D can toss out with just one volley from its forward torpedoe bay, which is still twice that level.

Furthermore, there is zero chance that even with a broadside volley, a target will take that much. Only 106 megatons will have a chance, and at least 25% of that will miss (much more in reality, but I'm being conservative here), so that's still only 79.5 Assuming only 75% of the photons hit, the Enterprise just dealt 245.7 megatons to the ISD's shield grid. Even if we assume that an ISD has shield output of four times their full volley, that would put them at 848 megatons worth of firepower they cna withstand. Meanwhile, the Federation ship is next to unharmed.

And really, a full volley would also consist of phaser fire, which I will try and look up soon.

But in any case, reality places the volley at 106 megatons, 53 of which only have a chance of hitting the Enterprise D, even with a broadside. At least 25% is going to miss, and that leaves only 39.75 megatons worth of firepower. Oh, wow, your full volley just did less than half of yield of a single torpedoe.

realy the trek ship just has to keep it's self a thousand km away from the isd... it's still short range for the federation, but well beyond anything we've seen star wars fight at (whats the max like 10 km?)