Star Wars vs Star Trek

**Enterprise-D** · 10-23-07, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Saquist

That would be a good explanation if the fight had on started on deck 29 and then....down the shoot from there....Very very bad writing and continuity.

I think the main computer core on Enterprise D is on deck 10, 9 decks lower than the bridge.

What deck did Riker's fight start on on the E?

**Kittamaru** · 10-23-07, 08:36 AM

The Intrepid has the sharpest non-point nose of all ships in StarFleet... that was what I was getting at.

The Sovereign class has a MUCH gentler curve... so claiming the Sovereign to be slow based on the curvature of the saucer means the Intrepid is also lumped into that.

The Prometheus is a testbed for a newer reactor as well as the Quantum Slipstream drive...

Also, do remember the whole thing with the Borg Cube outpacing your venerable Ent-D with ease... multiple times.

While the Ent-E can chase down (and then procede to HEAVILY damage, if not destroy) a Cube.

The Nova had these mission objectives:
1. Provide a platform for extended scientific survey and scouting missions.
2. Replace the Oberth for system and planetary survey missions.
3. Provide autonomous capability for full execution of Federation defensive, cultural, scientific, and explorative policy in deep space or border territory.
4. Serve as a frontline support vehicle during emergencies and a platform for the extension of Federation diplomacy and policy.
5. Provide non-critical functions such as transport of personnel and cargo when necessary, extended aid, and short-range patrol.

It also sports the new Type IX phasers, which had a higher overall output than the Enterprise-D's phasers (6 MW per emitter times 2x emitters at once vs the Ent-D's 5.1 MW per emitter times 2x emitters at once)

It ALSO used the same high-yield photon torpedoes as the Galaxy (the Mk XXV) with a Type 6 launcher system.

It's computer core is MUCH more advanced than the Galaxy

It's also far more maneuverable (though slower in warp) than the Galaxy

So yeah... Saquist, remember one key thing:

Galaxy and Nebulae class ships are like the F-14 Tomcat - old, reliable, kick-ass ships.

Sovereign class, Nova, Prometheus... they're newer technology. They're the next generation of ships. The Sovereign is like the F-35 or the F-22 - newer, testbed planes who's full potential is not even yet known.

The defiant is, of course, akin to the A-10 Warthog... an ASSLOAD of firepower in a compact platform

**Kittamaru** · 10-23-07, 08:39 AM

To be brutally honest... I think even a Saber class Starship (yes, a FRIGATE) could utterly annihilate a Galaxy class if only for one reason - it can carry a standard load of Quantum Torpedoes. They have a higher speed, longer range, better maneuvering, and a much better warhead than the best Photon Torpedo. A couple of those would most likely mince a Galaxy's shield grid while the poor gal's phasers and photons are defeated by the auto-modulation systems of the newer starships.

**~~Saquist~~** · 10-23-07, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

The Intrepid has the sharpest non-point nose of all ships in StarFleet... that was what I was getting at.

The picture shows that title belongs to the Prometheus not the Intrepid.

The Sovereign class has a MUCH gentler curve... so claiming the Sovereign to be slow based on the curvature of the saucer means the Intrepid is also lumped into that.

I didn't say Sovereign was slow because of that, Kittamaru.
Sovereign is slow because it couldn't out run a far more akward design of the Scimitar. The Scimitar has to have the most awkward field envelope at it's size.

The Prometheus is a testbed for a newer reactor as well as the Quantum Slipstream drive...

That's an unknown. Promethues registry number is so old that likely when the ship was concieved the idea of slipstream wasn't even theory. After all Voyager discovered slipstream not the Federation.

Also, do remember the whole thing with the Borg Cube outpacing your venerable Ent-D with ease... multiple times.

Seven of Nine stated that Cubes encounter large amounts of temporal force and have a certain method of counteracting that not to mention the Cube as exetensive reserves of energy. They used this borg technique to perfect the warp 10 shuttlecraft Cochrane.

While the Ent-E can chase down (and then procede to HEAVILY damage, if not destroy) a Cube.

The Cube wasn't in a hurry as it proceeded to Earth, Kittamaru. They didn't say it traveling at max speed. Enterprise was twelve hours behind it. The only reason why they caught up was because the captured Picard had caught their attention.

The Nova had these mission objectives:
1. Provide a platform for extended scientific survey and scouting missions.
2. Replace the Oberth for system and planetary survey missions.
3. Provide autonomous capability for full execution of Federation defensive, cultural, scientific, and explorative policy in deep space or border territory.
4. Serve as a frontline support vehicle during emergencies and a platform for the extension of Federation diplomacy and policy.
5. Provide non-critical functions such as transport of personnel and cargo when necessary, extended aid, and short-range patrol.

In reality the Nova was considered as part of the Defiant Project and was discarded because of the exposure factor of the engines to incoming fire.

It also sports the new Type IX phasers, which had a higher overall output than the Enterprise-D's phasers (6 MW per emitter times 2x emitters at once vs the Ent-D's 5.1 MW per emitter times 2x emitters at once)

I really don't know about any of that I suppose it's possible.

So yeah... Saquist, remember one key thing:

Galaxy and Nebulae class ships are like the F-14 Tomcat - old, reliable, kick-ass ships.

Actually 20 years is not old for a space frame. Ship hulls are designed for 80 year life spans or longer.

Sovereign class, Nova, Prometheus... they're newer technology. They're the next generation of ships. The Sovereign is like the F-35 or the F-22 - newer, testbed planes who's full potential is not even yet known.

I'm really not a fan of new is better untill it proves itself in it's role..and we've not seen any of those ships preform very well.

The defiant is, of course, akin to the A-10 Warthog... an ASSLOAD of firepower in a compact platform

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That would be the closes approximation. Defiant is more like a Yamato in a A-10 Warhog....

**~~Saquist~~** · 10-23-07, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by Enterprise-D

I think the main computer core on Enterprise D is on deck 10, 9 decks lower than the bridge.

What deck did Riker's fight start on on the E?

They said Deck 24 I believe.

**Enterprise-D** · 10-23-07, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

To be brutally honest... I think even a Saber class Starship (yes, a FRIGATE) could utterly annihilate a Galaxy class if only for one reason - it can carry a standard load of Quantum Torpedoes. They have a higher speed, longer range, better maneuvering, and a much better warhead than the best Photon Torpedo. A couple of those would most likely mince a Galaxy's shield grid while the poor gal's phasers and photons are defeated by the auto-modulation systems of the newer starships.

I completely disagree with this...a group of Sabre class ships maybe, but not ONE. That captain would deserve to die if a tiny ass ship like that is able to take down his Galaxy. Remember the Galaxy class was upgraded too.

**Enterprise-D** · 10-23-07, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by Saquist

They said Deck 24 I believe.

Ah...so a 5 deck fall? He might have been damaged from that fall...badly. But I doubt a Reman would die from that, unless he landed on his head and broke his neck...

**Kittamaru** · 10-23-07, 02:34 PM

Saquist... I said the Intrepid had the sharpest non-pointed nose of all starfleet ships. It has the sharpest curvature of ANY saucer section - the Prometheus' saucer is not a curve as much as it is a point.

A couple of Quantum Torpedoes would destroy a Galaxy class' shield grid with a fair bit of ease.

The Scimitar, remember, was a behemoth. It probably have power reserves that were near the capacity of a Borg Cube! Not to mention it had absolutely HUGE thrusters.

Also, the Enterprise had to slow down when it entered the nebulae... they were not at 100% speed.

**USS Athens** · 10-23-07, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Saquist

You wouldn't remember it from Nemesis. His refrence to 29 decks is from First Contact.

Nah, he said 24 decks on Fist Contact.

**USS Athens** · 10-23-07, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by Saquist

None of those ships are canon and appart of what Gene Roddenberry had in mind when he gave Matt Jefferies for instructions on what the Enterprise should look like.

What about the Niagra class? It had three warp nacelles.

**USS Exeter** · 10-23-07, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

What about the Niagra class? It had three warp nacelles.

Niagra Class --- 2360s

Trouble with the pics?

**USS Athens** · 10-23-07, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Galaxy and Nebulae class ships are like the F-14 Tomcat - old, reliable, kick-ass ships.

(don't forget the Excelsior)

Damn strait! I frickin love the F-14!

Sovereign class, Nova, Prometheus... they're newer technology. They're the next generation of ships. The Sovereign is like the F-35 or the F-22 - newer, testbed planes who's full potential is not even yet known.

Quite right.

The defiant is, of course, akin to the A-10 Warthog... an ASSLOAD of firepower in a compact platform

I'd have to agree, though the Defiant reminds me more of the F-117 Nighthawk rather than the A-10 Thunderbolt II.

Very secrative.

Very powerful.

And of coarse stealth (cloaking device).

**~~Saquist~~** · 10-24-07, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

Nah, he said 24 decks on Fist Contact.

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You were correct. According to G2K...

(They also seem to have squeezed 3-5 new decks onto the ship, depending on who you listened to in First Contact. See, Picard in ST:FC said there were 24 decks, but someone else in the film said there were 26. Now in ST:N, the ship has 29, and this is referenced several times. There may even be a classic "bottomless pit" below deck 29, though this is uncertain (and undesireable). My personal preference is 24 decks, since otherwise you start losing headroom fast.

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

Saquist... I said the Intrepid had the sharpest non-pointed nose of all starfleet ships. It has the sharpest curvature of ANY saucer section - the Prometheus' saucer is not a curve as much as it is a point.

Ahhh. I see.

The Scimitar, remember, was a behemoth. It probably have power reserves that were near the capacity of a Borg Cube! Not to mention it had absolutely HUGE thrusters.

Yes I pointed that out too.

Also, the Enterprise had to slow down when it entered the nebulae... they were not at 100% speed.

I disagree with that on two counts.
1) Star ships don't travel through nebulaes at warp speed
2) It was Bassen Rift not , Bassen Nebulae

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

What about the Niagra class? It had three warp nacelles.

I'm not sure about this ship. It's something they say they saw in reckage. Ii consider most of the ships derived from Wolf 359 to be a collect of parts and fossils because that's what they were. The model makers need debris. I hear there was even a constituion class vessel in the debris field. In any case I see sorting through debris like sorting through fossils. You really don't know what to make of it.

And even if it was an actual ship...come on...it was a borg invasion...they would have pulled anything out of moth balls for the defense of Earth. Everything Gene tells us is that the three nacelle design is FUBAR for warp fields. That's why it's scarce to non existant.

**Kittamaru** · 10-24-07, 08:59 AM

It looked on screen like a Nebula 0o' but they called it a rift... *blinks*

And in any event, the Enterprise-E was NOT at maximum speed (I mean the one where they have to stop after a while or risk burning out the engines)

**~~Saquist~~** · 10-24-07, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kittamaru

And in any event, the Enterprise-E was NOT at maximum speed (I mean the one where they have to stop after a while or risk burning out the engines)

Picard does say in the monologue as the ship is preparing for battle and that they were "traveling at maxiumum warp" to rendevous with the fleet.

But you do point out that you don't mean the Emergency Sprint speed. How ever I don't know either way. I know he said max warp.

Whether he meant Geordi pullled out all the stops....Best speed to the Rift. I don't know.

**Kittamaru** · 10-24-07, 03:35 PM

There is a system to go by:

Cruising Speed
is less than
Maximum Speed
is less than
Flank Speed
is less than
Emergency Speed

**Enterprise-D** · 10-24-07, 07:01 PM

LOL

Someone posted this on another Wars v Trek discussion...

"well...let's see here.

star wars episode I...$8
star wars episode II...$8
star wars episode III... $8
star wars episode IV... $8
star wars episode V... $8
star wars episode VI... $8

Star Trek: TOS, Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek : Enterprise...

...priceless"

I enjoyed...

**USS Athens** · 10-24-07, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Enterprise-D

LOL

Someone posted this on another Wars v Trek discussion...

"well...let's see here.

star wars episode I...$8
star wars episode II...$8
star wars episode III... $8
star wars episode IV... $8
star wars episode V... $8
star wars episode VI... $8

Star Trek: TOS, Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek : Enterprise...

...priceless"

I enjoyed...

True, true...

**~~Saquist~~** · 10-24-07, 07:58 PM

Originally Posted by Enterprise-D

LOL

Someone posted this on another Wars v Trek discussion...

"well...let's see here.

star wars episode I...$8
star wars episode II...$8
star wars episode III... $8
star wars episode IV... $8
star wars episode V... $8
star wars episode VI... $8

Star Trek: TOS, Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek : Enterprise...

...priceless"

I enjoyed...

OH MAN!!!!!
It's soooo true...
That is Great!...I-am-ROLLING....

**USS Enterprise-A** · 10-24-07, 09:13 PM

Originally Posted by Enterprise-D

LOL

Someone posted this on another Wars v Trek discussion...

"well...let's see here.

star wars episode I...$8
star wars episode II...$8
star wars episode III... $8
star wars episode IV... $8
star wars episode V... $8
star wars episode VI... $8

Star Trek: TOS, Star Trek: TNG, Star Trek: DS9, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek : Enterprise...

...priceless"

I enjoyed...

I couldn't agree more.