Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Enterprise-D]

Well, thats not exactly a nono. Ships are completely capable of using warp inside the influence of gravity. unlike hyperspace.

True, moving the ship away from a planet is probably a risk mitigating but a formality of a procedure...if anything unlucky were to happen with the warp field or whatever, the nearby planet or planets would not be affected. I could see a whole policy volume being writ to datacrystal about using warp drive. Ouch. Can we say 4000 pages of text?

[Criti]

It's enough of a no-no for the Defiant crew to be worried about the ramifications. It's doable, but risky.

[FoolFromHell]

It's enough of a no-no for the Defiant crew to be worried about the ramifications. It's doable, but risky.

Well, wasnt that starting a to warp INSIDE the atmosphere of a planet?
Could someone tell me exactly what happened?

[halo07guy]

275 is the canon torpedo armament of Galaxy class ships. So most of that would be about 66%, or about 160 torpedos. Thats just to destroy an asteroid.

[Lord Vasago]

There's a difference between warpin a small distance (what is just ridicilous) and going a full circel around a ship.

an SSd is 17km long. So you fly 289km in a circel. this at a few million km a
second. see where i'm getting at. You'll be thousand of times on the same spot every second.
be logical.

In what episode do you see a ST ship fly in circels at warp. This i got to see.

[FoolFromHell]

There's a difference between warpin a small distance (what is just ridicilous) and going a full circel around a ship.

an SSd is 17km long. So you fly 289km in a circel. this at a few million km a
second. see where i'm getting at. You'll be thousand of times on the same spot every second.
be logical.

In what episode do you see a ST ship fly in circels at warp. This i got to see.

The circle's circumference can be even 50,000km. The maximum OBSERVED range of a photon torpedo. (from the episode, Equinox, part II)
Even SD turbolasers dont have that range.

[Enterprise-D]

275 is the canon torpedo armament of Galaxy class ships. So most of that would be about 66%, or about 160 torpedos. Thats just to destroy an asteroid.

No. The line is "it would take most of our torpedos to do it". Riker did NOT say "it would take most of our torpedo armament to do it". Starship torpedos are replenished when they visit a Starbase with the ability to restock a ship. They had not yet done so in the episode, or as a matter of fact, the episode previous to "The Pegasus". You therefore cannot assume that the Enterprise had all of its maximum 275. Don't be simplistic.

And again. The asteroid was massive. It was planet sized. It made a Warbird look tiny. Enterprise-D fit into and flew around in this asteroid. Stop harping on a lost cause.

And just to pick on you 66% of 275 torpedos would give you 182 torpedos.

[Lord Vasago]

The circle's circumference can be even 50,000km. The maximum OBSERVED range of a photon torpedo. (from the episode, Equinox, part II)
Even SD turbolasers dont have that range.

so lichtspeed is 300.000km per second. so you still will be 6 times on the same spot every second.
You can't go slower because then your at impuls and not warp.

[Kittamaru]

It's not possible to warp around a ship.
Hell even 80% of lightspeed is way to fast.
If you fly at that speed your ship would be several times in the same space evry second. Plus going that fast in such a small space would give tremendous gforce that no ship can withstand. One human hair would crush your intire ship.

Think before you make sush a statement.

The USS Voyager went to warp without a warp field OR a SIF... all that happened were it lost a few (already damaged) hull plates.

The Picard manuver.

The USS Enterprise-A HAS warped in circles before... and lets not forget how Kirk won the Kobayashi Maru scenario...

[Kittamaru]

so lichtspeed is 300.000km per second. so you still will be 6 times on the same spot every second.
You can't go slower because then your at impuls and not warp.

Actually...

In one of the ST movies, I believe it was the very first one actually, they did warp 0.1, 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.6, 0.74, 0.76, 0.94, 0.99, 1.0, etc... they were calling out numbers as they SLOWLY pushed upto warp 1 to test the new engines.

So, in theory, the Ent-E could do Warp 0.05 around the SSD and blow it to hell piecemeal via quantum torpedos.

[Enterprise-D]

so lichtspeed is 300.000km per second. so you still will be 6 times on the same spot every second.
You can't go slower because then your at impuls and not warp.

You are thinking per second only. There are time measurements of less than one second. Please be less linear. You can move 300K km/s in a shorter space than 300K kilometers. What you are suggesting is akin to asking us to assume that in a car race of 100km, none of the cars can go faster than 100km/h because they'll crash into themselves in an hour.

Warp removes the physical limitation of light speed. It is very possible to travel faster than light in a short space, simply because, in a circle, you will return to the starting point in milliseconds rather than seconds. To the human eye this is virtually instantaneous, but you won't crash into your own ship don't worry.

Think of the speed measurement like this: at light speed ~300K km/s, travelling 50 000km can be thought of as 50 000km every one-sixth of a second. Still a time measurement, but less than your linear one-second limitation.

[Enterprise-D]

The USS Enterprise-A HAS warped in circles before... and lets not forget how Kirk won the Kobayashi Maru scenario...

Didn't Cadet Kirk beat the Kobayashi Maru by tampering with the simulation computer? He was given a commendation for "thinking outside the box" even though it was technically cheating. It follows that in his career he often found ways of outsmarting his enemy (think Corbomite Shields).

Anyhoo I digress...

[Kittamaru]

That's exactly how he did it - he reprogrammed it... as he said, he didn't like to loose and he didn't believe in a "no win" situation.

Trek CADETS are that smart... how do you think the ones that makes Captain or Commodore or Admiral are going to be after YEARS of experience (Picard for example).

Now, compare that kind of ingenuity against the average Star Wars commander who is more focused on NOT pissing off Vader (and thus getting force chocked) instead of actually being intelligent.

In Trek, you don't follow orders and it turns out it was for a good reason, you get commended.

In Wars, you never get the CHANCE not to follow orders.

[Lord Vasago]

You are thinking per second only. There are time measurements of less than one second.Dude don't you think i know that ? Please be less linear. You can move 300K km/s in a shorter space than 300K kilometers. What you are suggesting is akin to asking us to assume that in a car race of 100km, none of the cars can go faster than 100km/h because they'll crash into themselves in an hour.
What kind of comparison is that. Did I say A ship cant go faster that 300k km/s or it crashes into itself ? I don't think so. A car can't hit itself even if it drove in a circle at 1000km/s. Why ? Because it cant stand the gforce. In your own words : ST vessels have inertia damptners or what ther called.

Warp removes the physical limitation of light speed. It is very possible to travel faster than light in a short space, simply because, in a circle, you will return to the starting point in milliseconds rather than seconds. To the human eye this is virtually instantaneous, but you won't crash into your own ship don't worry. I'm gonna research this because this is getting ridiculous.

Think of the speed measurement like this: at light speed ~300K km/s, travelling 50 000km can be thought of as 50 000km every one-sixth of a second. Still a time measurement, but less than your linear one-second limitation.

EUH that is exactly the same. that's like going 25 000km every one-12th a second. It's still the same linear thinking.

[Lord Vasago]

@FoolfromHell I did like that fanmovie you posted though. Would like to see more of the same.

Maybe you should try ROBOCHICKEN in youtube.
StarWars animation from seth green. I bet you'll like that.

[Lord Vasago]

I'm sorry but i made a litle mistake in the calculation. a circle with a 50000km radius is about (50000 x 50000) 2500 000 000km distace to fly. So you are wright. Warping around a ship is posible. lightspeed is only 300k km a sec.
2500 000 000 divided by 300 000 is 8333.33 so you fly excact 83 minutes to complete the cicle at warp one. I hope this is wright?

by these calculations it would be safe to make a circle around a ship with a radious of 547.72km. at warp one that is.

[FoolFromHell]

I'm sorry but i made a litle mistake in the calculation. a circle with a 50000km radius is about (50000 x 50000) 2500 000 000km distace to fly. So you are wright. Warping around a ship is posible. lightspeed is only 300k km a sec.
2500 000 000 divided by 300 000 is 8333.33 so you fly excact 83 minutes to complete the cicle at warp one. I hope this is wright?

by these calculations it would be safe to make a circle around a ship with a radious of 547.72km. at warp one that is.

Warp 1 is more then enough to escape the slower-than-light turbolasers.
Hell, max impulse is enough to escape the turbolasers. The turrets cant move at 80%c!!

Also, I watch Robot Chicken every day on Adult Swim. I like the one where Darth Vader calls Palpatine to tell him the 1st Death Star was destroyed.

Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFKwEb_g2A

[Lord Vasago]

Warp 1 is more then enough to escape the slower-than-light turbolasers.
Hell, max impulse is enough to escape the turbolasers. The turrets cant move at 80%c!!

Also, I watch Robot Chicken every day on Adult Swim. I like the one where Darth Vader calls Palpatine to tell him the 1st Death Star was destroyed.

Here is one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFKwEb_g2A

the one where jarjar haunts dart Vader is good to

[Enterprise-D]

EUH that is exactly the same. that's like going 25 000km every one-12th a second. It's still the same linear thinking.

No. You're trying to allude that it would be impossible to Warp in a circle because you'd be at the same spot 6 times every second. I see no problem with this...merely because I am using a time measurement of less than a second. It's exactly the same speed, just a smaller division.

Just showing you that you won't crash into yourself!

so lichtspeed is 300.000km per second. so you still will be 6 times on the same spot every second.
You can't go slower because then your at impuls and not warp.

If that wasn't the point of this post, then what was it???

[Enterprise-D]

Also, I watch Robot Chicken every day on Adult Swim.

Robot Chicken is on every day? Who knew!!!