Star Wars vs Star Trek

[Arquibus]

What're you, nuts?
The Zaaroft alone could obliterate the Vong, and the CGU defeated the Zaaroft relatively easily.
Thrawn...heh...he may be good...but he's not nearly as good as Grand Admiral Harper or Admiral Khor.

Sometimes the greatest craftsmen are blinded by their arts...Oh well.

[Hapsburg]

Heh. You vastly underestimate both the Zaaroft and the CGU.

[Starthane Xyzth]

But do they belong to any of the sci-fi universes in the poll for this thread..? I don't imagine so.

[FaceDancer]

That awnser is easy because they do not so therefore dune wins the war.

[Hapsburg]

If OBS were in the war, it would win. OBS is, by canonical statement, unbeatable. See the wikipedia entry of spacebattles.com for more on OBS.

[Starthane Xyzth]

Let's start a new thread for all these obscure universes (universi ?) which most of us have never heard or read of.

[Kron]

How did the CGU get into this thread?

[FaceDancer]

So since their are no more trekkies and SW guys I suppose Dune wins.

[Roman]

Are the universes discussed here qualitatively different, or quantitatively so? For instance, would hyperdrive work in the Star Trek universe, or would a Q be able to manipulate space and time in the Dune universe? Could a no-ship be built by the Federation, or is folding space outside the realm of Trek?

I would posit that there are fundamental laws that each universe abides by, but because of the amount of time or luck or whatever in each universe, the inhabitants have found different means for doing the same things.

Since these laws exist, or we can assume they do, like the existance of a strong and weak force in each universe, since all universes use atomics.

Currently, we have come upon a qualitative wall with the existance of super-aliens in Star Trek and appearantly none in the other universes. However, I would say that the same forces the Q use to manipulate reality is the same stuff Jedi and Sith use.

And another thing, if the Force is a natural force, what's to prevent Q or the other super-aliens from manipulating it themselves? Or from cutting off its users from the source? The super-aliens' sources of power have nothing to do with the Force; the whole idea behind them is that they tap into powers we can barely comprehend, into the very fundamental forces of existence itself. If they can easily manipulate time, space, matter, energy, and reality with a thought, using or cutting off the Force to others should be a piece of cake for them.

I would argue that the Q, in fact, use the force to a much greater extent than anyone in the Star Wars universe. I mean, the Q can manifest all kinds of things; seemingly something from nothing. But is not throwing lightning bolts something from nothing?

What you seem to be arguing is that since the Q can do all this really sweet stuff, they aren't using the Force cause people who use the Force can't do the stuff that the Q can.

[FaceDancer]

Can Q die? This is a serious question can he die? Because if he cant this is a pointless topic.

[Hapsburg]

Yes. Via another omnipotenet, or similar, being, but he can die.

[Arquibus]

Q can and will be neutralized by the will of the Force. Or the monks from that obscure sector near Car'das's home will merely think him out of existence. It is not difficult to see that technologically, strategically, and spiritually, Star Wars will be victorious.

[Kron]

I support Dune, but Roman has hit a point that hasn't been discussed yet. This is serious, as any point that hasn't been discussed in 31 pages must be REALLY obscure. How do the universes connect anyway? I always imagined that some sort of wormhole technology allows the connection between the warring, parallel universes. This would explain why there is an "Earth" in the Dune universe and an "Earth" in the Trek universe. But would the Q be able to access non-Trekkie space-time ??????

[FaceDancer]

I think he would, but would not be able to use his powers.

[Arquibus]

Well, that really makes it hard for the Trekkies, now, doesn't it? After all, without Q, what've they got? A few ships with little firepower and some Borgs that, as I have heard, could be torn apart with slugthrowers and mass drivers. Meanwhile, Thrawn slashes through taking all the important strategic positions while the Imperial zealots start wiping out planets and stars with superweapons, the Jedi turn all the people against each other with the Force, and then the Vong come in and wipe out everything that's left. You won't find a Klingon for parsecs...

[Roman]

Yeah, without Q, Star Trek doesn't have much. Which I think is unfair. I think the Trek Universe should be the Trek Universe.

[Starthane Xyzth]

Can Q die? This is a serious question can he die? Because if he cant this is a pointless topic.

A Q did actually die in one episode of Voyager (entitled "Death Wish," funnily enough!) His fellow Q stripped him of his powers first and made hm human; then he could follow his dearest dream, and committed suicide.

[Kron]

If the Q can't affect non-Trekkie space, then they would be left with pathetic offensive power but overwhelming defensive power. But then there are also questions as to whether ANY supernatural force exists outside it's natural universe. What if the force doesn't work anywhere other than the Wars universe ??? What if Leto II can't sense anything outside the Dune universe ???

[FaceDancer]

Than Dune would win with No ships and Honored Materes who would enslave all the men. Thrawn as a sex slave to the Honored Matres could happen.

[Arquibus]

Thrawn would never get in that position. He could figure out a way to completely flip that around if he wanted, but he would probably just have the threat eliminated.