View Poll Results: Which universe would win?

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  • Star Trek

    227 33.88%
  • Star Wars

    285 42.54%
  • Spaceballs

    51 7.61%
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    14 2.09%
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Thread: Star Wars vs Star Trek

  1. #5961
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    hey Hellblade, whatever is shown on on screen for ST is canon, correct?

    The 400 gigawatts must be capable of bringing down the shields of a Galaxy class Star ship. Whatever other evidence you have is moot. If it worked once it will work again.


    Oh, btw since the Yucatan pennisula strike was in the Teratons of force and did not have that great of an impact on the Earth as a planet, despite messing up the ecology, then ISD could have Teraton level firepower and still not be able to blow apart a planet like the Death Star did.

  2. #5962
    the hippy with a lightsaber Qui-Gon Jinn's Avatar
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    tw what page is the calc you posted

  3. #5963
    Woot! Almost 300 pages!
    I was scared that Star Trek would lose before the 300th page... Good thing Star Trek won...

  4. #5964
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoolFromHell View Post
    Woot! Almost 300 pages!
    I was scared that Star Trek would lose before the 300th page... Good thing Star Trek won...
    Not even close my friend, not even close. Hell it hasn't even won in the popularity poll despite sock puppetry performed by several pro-trek people.

  5. #5965
    the hippy with a lightsaber Qui-Gon Jinn's Avatar
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    what the hell are you talking about star wars won

  6. #5966
    Purveyor of Truth and Fact Kittamaru's Avatar
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    I lol'ed all thru reading scott's "counter arguments"

    This is pathetic guys... he keeps regurgitating the same old bullshit over and over, even though he knows he is wrong.

    Scott- sure, 400 GW can bring down the shields of a Galaxy Class vessel when the unknown effects of the entity that can CONTROL ENERGY are taken into account. For all you know, Scott, Federation shields can be modulated to be IMMUNE to HTL fire- obviously pouring MORE power into the borg, once they have adapted, doesn't work. We know the federation have more than one borg "drone" that was rescued and now gives the federation insight to borg Tech.

    You cannot DISPROVE the Federation would be immune to your weapons based on what they are. By your logic (you cannot disprove the borg power plants did not expload, so that's what it was) we can safely say we would LAUGH at your attempts to harm us.

    You dug your own grave, Scott, by using this argument. PROVE we cannot simply beam you into space. PROVE we cannot become immune to your weapons. PROVE that Survivors was NOT caused by the fact the man in control could manipulate energy at will. PROVE anything... you will fail.

  7. #5967
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    Oh, and scott-

    We can safely assume that, since we have seen shock waves affect ships in space, the DS2 should have created a shock wave able to destroy the fighters when it exploaded. However, we didn't. So obviously the DS1 and 2 have power generation FAR LESS than the "bombs" used by Fett... it only makes sense

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    you can not beam through sertant metals right well some star wars ships are made of those metals

  9. #5969
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    what are you talking about say in a more understandable way

  10. #5970
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    How do you know they are made of those metals? According to G-cannon, we could go so far as to say they were made of plain durasteel (which makes sense as it IS used for armor plate in SW)

    Not once have I seen ST Neutronium appear in SW. Nor have I seen the incredibly powerful magnetic fields needed to break transporter lock. And the ships in ST that ARE immune to transporters are generally only immune until Geordi finds a way around it.

  11. #5971
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    well i just looked and Neutronium is used in durasteel and is used in Acclamator I-class assault ships

  12. #5972
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    i am the ultimate canon source

  13. #5973
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    Scott- sure, 400 GW can bring down the shields of a Galaxy Class vessel when the unknown effects of the entity that can CONTROL ENERGY are taken into account.
    But the command crew were not surprised that 400 gw tore down the shield, therefore it must be plausible. Worf was only surprised that he could not bring them back up quickly

    Also later 400 gw blasts (2) damaged the shield grid and then took weapons off line, cuased hull breaches and injured people. No one once said that it should not be possible, thus it must have been in the realm of possibility.

    For all you know, Scott, Federation shields can be modulated to be IMMUNE to HTL fire- obviously pouring MORE power into the borg, once they have adapted, doesn't work.
    First of all you would have to prove that the shields of the Enterprise can become 6,000% efficent and then prove they can channel all that power into shields. Neither of which you can prove. Also you have to prove that the Borg can addapt to a weapon that is more powerful than a Warp core, and if they can why does it only take 12 ST ships to rip a cube a new one?

    We know the federation have more than one borg "drone" that was rescued and now gives the federation insight to borg Tech.
    And still the borg are the threat

    You cannot DISPROVE the Federation would be immune to your weapons based on what they are. By your logic (you cannot disprove the borg power plants did not expload, so that's what it was) we can safely say we would LAUGH at your attempts to harm us.
    Actually since the Federation shields have only shown complete protection from one particularly backwards and underpowered weapon, burden is on you to prove that the Feds can become immune.

    As for the borg, I merely said it was logical it could happen and we have no proof it did not happen. If the power generation is widely dispersed, destroying large secions of ship makes it probable that you tagged one.
    Last edited by TW Scott; 07-07-07 at 02:53 AM.

  14. #5974
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kittamaru View Post
    How do you know they are made of those metals? According to G-cannon, we could go so far as to say they were made of plain durasteel (which makes sense as it IS used for armor plate in SW)
    Durasteel is made of a combination of heavy and exotic material. Most ships are made of durasteel, warships sport Dura Armor. Dura Armor is to Dura Steel what Cobham armor is to Steel.

    Not once have I seen ST Neutronium appear in SW. Nor have I seen the incredibly powerful magnetic fields needed to break transporter lock. And the ships in ST that ARE immune to transporters are generally only immune until Geordi finds a way around it.
    Neutronium is used in some quantity in Durasteel. Also it does not take an intense magnetic field to disrupt transporters. Hell certain natural materials do it (Insurrection), as can mild Ion Storms (Nemesis), and hell even strange radiation fields can do it. Transporters are the weak link, anything messes with sensors even a little bit and transporters are no good.

  15. #5975
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    Only until a way is found to penetrate it, and even then, up close and personal Trek ships can usually just sort of bully their way thru it.

    Prove that Trek ships can become immune? Okay, the Borg Shield Remodulation used by the Queen, or the Corbomite Reflector (a bluff used by Kirk at first that, according to the timeline, was made real when Geordie got ahold of plans first written by Scotty)

    Neutronium in ST is not the same as Neutronium in SW- otherwise, particle blasters would have no effect no matter how much energy you pumped into them. Remember, the Doomsday Device ate PLANETS for it's power source.

    Actually, about that- the DDD ate planets for power... that is a large amount of power right?

    Yet the explosion of a basicly crippled ship's impulse drive was able to render it inert by overloading it's power grid.

    Stands to reason then, that the power output of an old contelation class starship has more power output in it's impulse drive at "critical mass" than a planet contains in it's entirety.

  16. #5976
    Quote Originally Posted by Qui-Gon Jinn View Post
    you can not beam through sertant metals right well some star wars ships are made of those metals
    You have NO proof of that.
    Dont turn into a scott and pull stuff from your ass...

  17. #5977
    Quote Originally Posted by TW Scott View Post
    Neutronium is used in some quantity in Durasteel. Also it does not take an intense magnetic field to disrupt transporters. Hell certain natural materials do it (Insurrection), as can mild Ion Storms (Nemesis), and hell even strange radiation fields can do it. Transporters are the weak link, anything messes with sensors even a little bit and transporters are no good.
    Proof for Neutronium existing in Durasteel??

  18. #5978
    Anyone in ST could easily create a gravity well extending light years, immunizing them from the empire...
    Plus, they have a tactical advantage, with capital ships able to maneuver better than SW fighters and the ability to fight FTL. Plus, photonic troops to defend starships... By the time of Voyager, photonic entities were a new concept. No doubt, if photonic entities can be made to mine, they can be made to fight...
    Plus, the 12+ gigatons/blast is preposterous... why a death star? If it was 12+ gigatons/blast, one ISD could level a planet...
    Plus, ineffective shielding. Ray shields do NOT protect against photon torpedoes and the Death Star, thus any other ship, doesnt have particle shields. Ray shields have NO proof of deflecting phasers, while ST shields are IMMUNE to lasers. When Riker laughed at the lasers coming, that means that there is an upper limit for the power of lasers...

    Plus, SW cloaking can be destroyed easily...
    ST also doesnt need small-moon sized ships to destroy planets... All it needs is the Soran device, Omega particles, Genesis, or bombardment by federation fleets. Plus, Janeway has shown no remorse for the timeline, showing that she can/will bring future technology... and the Voth can travel FASTER than SW ships AND can fire mid-flight AND can be virtually immune to sensors except to people who are familiar with ST cloaking technology.
    Storm troopers will be ineffective when faced with photonic troops.
    SW hyperdrives will be immune to gravity wells (ST can create mini-black holes)
    SW lasers cannot be 12 gigatons in strength... or else, why a death star?
    SW generals are dumbasses. Tarkin for #1... And the ISD engineers who ddint bother making all guns able to fire forward. I mean, wtf is the point of a wedge shape if you cant make your side guns fire forward too?
    More dumbasses include the Jedi for not knowing what palpatine is doing and for Anakin to fall so easily...

    Plus, photon torpedos and phasers have been shown to fire at 20,000+ KM, as shown in Voyager. What good are heavy turbolasers if you cant get in range? and if you get in range, you cant hit the enemy because they move at warp speeds around your ship?? It has been shown that a ship at warp speed can engage a ship at sub-light speeds...

    "And still the borg are the threat"
    The borg and the federation will cooperate, along with all races in the ST universe.Or else, your New Republic and your Empire would be constantly fighting too. Remember that. The New Republic hated the Empire during the Palpatine days. The later Imperial Remnant was WEAK. If you dont let us cooperate, your own galaxy will be torn by infighting.

    The Borg can adapt to ANYTHING. even projectile weapons. Its that that nobody bothered using projectile weapons against them. If they had, they would already be immune to that machine gun...

  19. #5979
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    Quote Originally Posted by TW Scott View Post
    You do realize the Tsar bomb was 59 megatons and did a far amount of damage, much more than anything we see in Star Trek..

    Also with suspension of disbelief what Lucas says goes for his universe. You're argument has not bearing on this conversation. Especially since Star trek violate Physics every second of every show.
    1. From someone saying that ST fire power is equal to that of TNT times 20, ummmm... yeah and a phaser blew holes about the size of an ISD into a borg cube.

    2. No SW violates the laws of physics, how does ionized thrust create new dimentions?

    3. Oh so now it's Lucas's universe and ST is in another universe? Your contradicting yourself.

  20. #5980
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    Quote Originally Posted by TW Scott View Post
    Actually since the Federation shields have only shown complete protection from one particularly backwards and underpowered weapon, burden is on you to prove that the Feds can become immune.

    As for the borg, I merely said it was logical it could happen and we have no proof it did not happen. If the power generation is widely dispersed, destroying large secions of ship makes it probable that you tagged one.
    Ummmm... we have never seen the sophistication in SW sheilds to remodulate/change the frequency of their sheilds. Remember all of energy has a frequency, SW just doens't harness that.

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