Star Wars vs Star Trek

[TW Scott]

[QUOTE=Kittamaru;1454709]Well, Star Wars has a distinct lack of continuity.[quote]

Compared to ST, no flipping way.

A good example is Anikins face. His eyes change in distance over the course of movie 1 and movie 2. The eyes are a facial feature that DOES NOT CHANGE despite what many people believe. So are the ears. This is why Forensic scientists use them to do face profiling.

Hmmm, so from what you are saying is despite the fact that the head grows from birth to adulthood that the eyes never change distance? interesting.

Many a time in SW we see a ship get hit and the crew rocks the wrong direction. Whoopsie!

Like?

Many times in SW we see explosions where there should not be any according to your logic.

Like?

Star Trek is what... over TWO THOUSAND episodes and almost a dozen movies. Continuity over that would require far more time and effort than is feasible to get a series going with.

Two thousand episodes? Okay even going by the old formula of 28 episodes a season you need 71 seasons of shows to get that many episodes.

Original Series · 80 episodes
Animated Series · 22 episodes
Next Generation · 178 episodes
Deep Space Nine · 176 episodes
Voyager · 172 episodes
Enterprise · 98 episodes

Now correct me if i am wrong but 726 episodes is no where near 2000.

For the number of on-screen hours compared to the number of continuity mistakes, Star Trek is over a million times more consistent than Star Wars.

Really. You could only point out a few contunuity mistakes is SW and even those are iffy.

Meanwhile there is the Ever changing Defiant which is a contnuity mistake each time. The shields which is a mistake each time. The Definat growing a fifth deck in some episodes. Every episode of Enterprise was continuity violation in and of itself.

And you did ignore the 3 Terrawatt argument because that was as close to a Single Beam as an impact of such magnitude EVER got. If what you said is true, that 400 GW would have, at most, taken down the AFFECTED shield arc- it took out ALL the shields.

This 3 TW one didn't even PHASE the ship.

Continuity error or not, we see MANY times the ship taking huge amounts of firepower and barely rocking and VERY few times it taking small firepower and the shields failing.

Could it have been a specific frequency? or perhaps a certain amplitude? Quantum interference perhaps? Just a useful plot hole maybe? OR HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE GUY CONTROLLING THE ENTITY COULD MANIPULATE ENERGY AT WILL? That MIGHT have had something to do with it... you know, with shields being Energy based and all.

As i explained before the SBBP was a way of reconciling these continuity errors into a system that is scientifically sound.

After all NO ONE WAS SUPRISED THAT 400GW COULD DISRUPT THE SHIELDS. That is a big clue that it is possible.

[Hellblade8]

Um, TW Scott, are you going to address my post? Why did you skip to this one?

[Kittamaru]

Scott, I'll be simple JUST for you:

Nobody was surprised because, SURPRISE! It just happened!

Instead of being all shocked and confused, they chose to ACT and do something about it.

If a US Solider was "surprised" and "shocked" when something happened that shouldnt' happen, we'd have a LOT more dead soldiers...

[Kittamaru]

Scott, let me do some math for you:

Assuming ONLY FIVE major continuity mistakes in Star Wars:

5 mistakes divided by 6 movies is about .89 mistakes per movie.

Now, Star trek (and we'll use your episodes just to make you happy)

assume 250 major mistakes in continuity over 726 + 10 episodes.
That is about .3396 mistakes per episode.

So, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Trek has a MUCH larger margin of error thanks to having SO much screentime!

[Kittamaru]

Um, TW Scott, are you going to address my post? Why did you skip to this one?

No, he won't, because he cannot fight it without resorting to name calling and idiotic remarks about how his mother could beat your mother.

[TW Scott]

On screen evidence. First we see it much larger than a fighter, then we see it barely four or five times the length, mistakes like that. In fact, the whole episode is filled with such mistakes, as well as the diagrams on the ship being wrong with the size and decks and then being right a few episodes later. Or something being too big to be on the ship when measured from the outside. Their consistancy is horrible in this area.

Obviously the CGI guy messing up.

And funny you consider that idea now, but not when Worf mentioned the 400 gigawatt yield.

It is only thing to exaggerate the size of the ship. Quite another to be reading the sensor readout and tell the Captain the wrong reading.

[Hellblade8]

Obviously the CGI guy messing up.

Sorry, suspension of disbelief, that means we can't apply normal logic and reason because its canon.

It is only thing to exaggerate the size of the ship. Quite another to be reading the sensor readout and tell the Captain the wrong reading.

Really? I think its a little more far fetched to walk upon a ship and not notice that its ten times the size as it was a day ago, or a tenth of the size it was supposed to be. And poor Worf, he lives on the thing and doesn't seem to notice at all! The poor dear must be going mad...

[Lord Vasago]

The Jedi have shown, at best, the ability to:

Manipulate others
Survive in environments others could not
Survive attacks others could not
Pilot and fire more accurately than your standard pilot (which isn't saying much)

The Q have stated and shown the ABILITY TO WIPE OUT ALL GRAVITY WITH A SINGLE THOUGHT.

Q: Change the gravitational constant of the univserse.
Geordie: How do you do that?
Q: You just DO it!

I love it- You just do. Q = nearly unlimited power. Q is exactly what Popadobalalpatine wanted to become. Except lil ole emperor died. Q hasn't.

Q > Sith/Jedi. Period.

And Star Trek tech that is real:

AntiMatter (We make AntiMatter to study)
Deuterium (Hydrogen 2 isotope that's frozen. Look it up)
Warp Drive (Theorized to be the best way to achieve faster than light by many scientists)
PHASERS (PHASed Energy Rectification) - we are working on non-contact energy weapons now- they have NO kinetic element, so you cannot call them blasters :P
Starships- sleek, beautiful, well crafted, built in space. The best way to get away from earth is to build it outside of earths gravity
Space stations - slowly but surely we are building bigger and better things. The day will come when we have a permanent space station.
Impulse Drive - I don't have to explain this do I?
Anti-gravity- the way trek explains it is technicaly feasible.
HypoSprays - we have recently developed ways of turning the fluids used in injections into a microscopic density suspension that can be "forced" thru the skin without a needle.
Holograms - yes, I went there. http://www.liveleak.com/player2.swf?...95&p=57253&s=1

Much of the medical technology is possible or already in use today.

Need I continue?

What is possible on the wars side?

Uhm... hm. IonDrive... most of the cap ships they make are SO HUGE they would tear themselves apart and the kinetic energies at either end would send people flying every time it turned (you take a 1km long pole and swing it so the arc between your hands moves an inch and the tip of said pole will sing what? A good few hundred feet? Yeah)

The force? Puhlease.
Quantum Singularity propulsion/powerproduction systems? Whats??? Black holes EAT energy.
Maybe landspeeders... cause those are cool...
And I want AT-AT legs on my pathfinder http://whatishoth.ytmnd.com/

we have an at-at

[Kittamaru]

... not for long

*steals the At At*

WHAT IS LOVE! BABY DON"T HURT ME! DON"T HURT ME! NO MORE!

*stomps around town in his AT-Pathfinder*

[TW Scott]

Scott, let me do some math for you:

Assuming ONLY FIVE major continuity mistakes in Star Wars:

5 mistakes divided by 6 movies is about .89 mistakes per movie.

Now, Star trek (and we'll use your episodes just to make you happy)

assume 250 major mistakes in continuity over 726 + 10 episodes.
That is about .3396 mistakes per episode.

So, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Trek has a MUCH larger margin of error thanks to having SO much screentime!

250 mistakes? oh please

Every episode with Defiant is guarateed one continuity error on top of any other.


Every episode of Enterprise has theses continuity errors

Every moment in that that history
Warp engines in a ship prior to The Cage (remeber that the Enterprise had what they called a hyperdrive thought obviously not the same as SW hyperdrive.)
Ship more advanced looking than the TOS Constitution

not to mention individual ones of
meeting Klingons
meeting the Ferengi
and many many more.

[TW Scott]

Sorry, suspension of disbelief, that means we can't apply normal logic and reason because its canon.

Finally you graduate, I was hoping you'd catch that.

Really? I think its a little more far fetched to walk upon a ship and not notice that its ten times the size as it was a day ago, or a tenth of the size it was supposed to be. And poor Worf, he lives on the thing and doesn't seem to notice at all! The poor dear must be going mad...

Actually the biggest difference I have read about was 20 meter difference in size for the Defiant. jem Ha'dar fighters seem to vary a bit in size, but that could be different production runs.

[Kittamaru]

Please don't try getting nit-picky scott... you could double the number of errors in ST, quadruple them, increase them by a factor of 100. I could point out enough errors in SW should I decide to go thru each movie and look that would give SW as much higher ratio.

Why?

IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SCREEN TIME.

Period.
End of discussion.

[Kittamaru]

Sorry, suspension of disbelief, that means we can't apply normal logic and reason because its canon.


Finally you graduate, i was hoping you'd catch that.




Actually the biggest difference I have read about was 20 meter difference in size for the Definat. Gem Ha'dar fighters seem to vary a bit in size, but that could be different production runs.

Learn to quote first off...

and second, adding a full deck is quite a big difference when there's, what? 4 decks TOTAL?

You are adding 1/4 onto it's height.

That's a pretty big difference for such a small ship...

[TW Scott]

Learn to quote first off...

and second, adding a full deck is quite a big difference when there's, what? 4 decks TOTAL?

You are adding 1/4 onto it's height.

That's a pretty big difference for such a small ship...

A deck doesn't have to be full size, just big enough for a crawl space

[Kittamaru]

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I honestly don't know how to reply to that...

have you EVER, in ALL OF STAR TREK, seen an ATTIC?

NO!

So why the FUCK would you imply there MIGHT be one?

Deck is to Starships as Story is to Skyscrapers.

STANDARDIZED.

Christ, what would EVER make you think contrary to that? Jefferies tubes perhaps? Maintenence access? They are separate parts of the ship and are, generally, between decks.

Oh, and as you are so FOND of saying:

Prove it.

[Kittamaru]

http://www.panicstruckpro.com/revela...ons_movie.html

Wowza, some Wars fans need to get laid methinks?

Nah, kinda cool but I bet they fuck it up.

[Hellblade8]

Finally you graduate, i was hoping you'd catch that.

Then of course that still means that UFP firepower has increased since that event, as we see them taking on alot more firepower later. Good thing they upgraded those shields.

Actually the biggest difference I have read about was 20 meter difference in size for the Definat. Gem Ha'dar fighters seem to vary a bit in size, but that could be different production runs.

Nope. The Founders like everything to be standard. They would hate for a Jem'Hadar attack ship to be even an inch longer than it would be and thus that would make it unlike the Domionion. Seeing as you have no other proof and the ship that always varies is the Defiant, then I suppose its the Defiant now isn't it?

Are we done playing this game, or can we get back down to real debating, in which case you have to admit that your wrong about the 400 gigawatt idea?

[Kittamaru]

He will never admit to it- he's so hopped up on jesus-juice from his fanboy friends that he thinks he's right.

[TW Scott]

Please don't try getting nit-picky scott... you could double the number of errors in ST, quadruple them, increase them by a factor of 100. I could point out enough errors in SW should I decide to go thru each movie and look that would give SW as much higher ratio.

Why?

IT DOES NOT HAVE THE SCREEN TIME.

Period.
End of discussion.

Actually the ratio does not concern me as much as how many time ST repeats mistakes. I mean even if they were slightly consistant, but they aren't. Not even close. I mean SW if it makes a mistake it's minimal but ST messes up BIG things.

[Hellblade8]

Oh, I know that. But now he either has to admit to the logical fact that the writers made a mistake, just as the CGI people made a mistake, or he has to agree to something that anyone with a half a brain could tell you is wrong. It was a trap. >=)