Star Wars vs Star Trek

**Qui-Gon Jinn** · 06-26-07, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

What the hell are you here for?

to destroy all your hope

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Hello? How the hell do you think the Station got to Alderaan or Yavin?

Ummmmmm... Mooooovvinnnngggg veeeeerrrryyyy slooooooowwlyyyy. Since nothing really makes sense in the SW universe (physically speaking).

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Qui-Gon Jinn

to destroy all your hope

Well your not doing a very good job.

**Qui-Gon Jinn** · 06-26-07, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

Ummmmmm... Mooooovvinnnngggg veeeeerrrryyyy slooooooowwlyyyy. Since nothing really makes sense in the SW universe (physically speaking).

it maks pefeced sense

**Qui-Gon Jinn** · 06-26-07, 10:08 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

Well your not doing a very good job.

actualy im just bored as hell

**TW Scott** · 06-26-07, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

And what do you consider "Proof"?

Show me a mathematical proof backed by actual laws of physics. Preferrably research what would be needed. An example would be the turbolasers failing to destroy something we know would take 12 gigatons to destroy. That would be proof for TL's

Proof for Q simple, get Q to come to my house and tell me he would help the Federation. If you can't then you obviously cannot rely on him.

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by USS Exeter

I will correct you first on this one, first of all, do you have any idea how powerful a gigaton is? Let me explain; in comparison, 1% of the sun's output in 39 nanoseconds is 50 megatons or about 2.1×10[17] joules the average power produced during the entire fission-fusion process, lasting around 39 nanoseconds, is a power of about 5.4×10[24] watts or 5.4 yottawatts. Think about it, a starfleet shield wouldn't stand a chance and neither would a star wars destroyer shield.

Why don't you respond to this? Hmmmm? Mr. Scott?

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Show me a mathematical proof backed by actual laws of physics. Preferrably research what would be needed. An example would be the turbolasers failing to destroy something we know would take 12 gigatons to destroy. That would be proof for TL's

Proof for Q simple, get Q to come to my house and tell me he would help the Federation. If you can't then you obviously cannot rely on him.

Look, if some anomaly occured in the ST universe the Q continuim are sure as hell at the very least going to take an interest in it.

**TW Scott** · 06-26-07, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

Ummmmmm... Mooooovvinnnngggg veeeeerrrryyyy slooooooowwlyyyy. Since nothing really makes sense in the SW universe (physically speaking).

Considering the distance between Alderaan and Yavin (go check a SW map). It would have been Luke's decendant attacking the Death Star unless the Death Star had a hyperdrive.

By the way by canon the DS had a hyperdrive.

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:18 PM

And what "suposedly" CANON source did you get this bullshit from?

**Hellblade8** · 06-26-07, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Qui-Gon Jinn

the Death Star is kool it make planets go BOOM!!!!!

You mean the one that lost out to a few fighters? The one with only ray shielding and thus would be vurnable to photon torps?

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

It would have been Luke's decendant attacking the Death Star

Actully alot more than that...

**Qui-Gon Jinn** · 06-26-07, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Hellblade8

You mean the one that lost out to a few fighters? The one with only ray shielding and thus would be vurnable to photon torps?

the only reson it lost was because luke used the force to help him hit the hole

**Hellblade8** · 06-26-07, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Like I said before: "This is a post. If you want proper Grammar wait for the dissertation." Or you can pay me. If you are not willing to pay then STFU.

All of Trek shows and movies may be canon but that means you must admit that a 400 gigawatt blast can and will collapse the shields of a Galaxy class starship. I was trying to give you a way of accepting that fact and mitigating it in argument by showing that unless the attack in pinpoint (under 100 square centimeters) the 400 gigawatts does not really apply. Then you have to contend with shelds that can repel muliple 64 megaton strike. Of course you guys could not accept such a gift from me, as you are too wrapped up in vitrolic hatred of me and the fact that I have shown you up again and again.

Uh, no. What I'm telling you is that your theory is impossible. First you said that the shields would go down with 400 gigawatts, but as we have more proof of that being wrong, you switched it to being a point blank strike of 400 gigawatts would take down the UFP shields. Again, you are proven wrong in the fact that this is not possible logically, and that the weapons where not point blank weapons.

Canon Source: TMG Episode True Q Galaxy class Warp Core produces 12 billion gigawatts or 1.2E19 watts per second

Canon Source: ICS: Attack of the Clones. Heavy Turbolaser has the equivalent firepower of 12.5 gigatons in one shot or 5.225E19 watts per 0.06666...seconds

Even if later models of the Warp core increase the power output of the Warp core by 300%, ST ships still out powered ~15 to one, by just one of the main guns of a SW capital ship.

1) That was in orbit of a planet and the ship wasn't running anything extra. All they had going where lights, gravity, holodecks, computers, deflector dish, sensors, turbolifts, replicators, transporters (occasionally), and of course a few other things. Aside from that, the warp drive was not in use, nor where the shields up or anything else.

2) Your source is a load of cattle dung. You have yet to prove 12.5 gigatons. And this in paticular I demand because we see no evidence of this firepower in G-level Canon. In fact, the upper limit we are shown in the books is a HTL vaporizing a small town. That's it. And we know that Han Solo said that not even the entire star fleet could destroy Alderaan. So either you only have a few ships, or that firepower is incorrect. You decide.

**Hellblade8** · 06-26-07, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Qui-Gon Jinn

the only reson it lost was because luke used the force to help him hit the hole

And? You realise that a photon torp could easily make that mark and could do it alot easier? Do you realise that a ship could be cloaked, go right up to it and send a cloaked torpedo down its tube and set it to explode an hour later?

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:33 PM

And the DS does not have sheilds, watch the fire from an X-Wing hit the hull of the DS, you see explosions and storm troopers shaking, hitting the walls, and falling.

**Hellblade8** · 06-26-07, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by TW Scott

Show me a mathematical proof backed by actual laws of physics. Preferrably research what would be needed. An example would be the turbolasers failing to destroy something we know would take 12 gigatons to destroy. That would be proof for TL's

Proof for Q simple, get Q to come to my house and tell me he would help the Federation. If you can't then you obviously cannot rely on him.

Who needs Q? And again, you fail to provide any G-level canon that supports your claim.

I mean, just look at a hull strength. The Enterprised D took a high level megaton yield to the hull and it only blew open a hole, rather than taking the entire ship with it. And the Enterprise E took alot of hits the hull from photons.

**Hellblade8** · 06-26-07, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by USS Enterprise-B

And the DS does not have sheilds, watch the fire from an X-Wing hit the hull of the DS, you see explosions and storm troopers shaking, hitting the walls, and falling.

Actually, it does have shields, but its a bubble, not hull conforming. This would be great except there's nothing to stop a fighter or a small ship from passing through it and attacking.

**USS Athens** · 06-26-07, 10:35 PM

Have any of you read USS Exeter's posts yet?

**Qui-Gon Jinn** · 06-26-07, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Hellblade8

And? You realise that a photon torp could easily make that mark and could do it alot easier? Do you realise that a ship could be cloaked, go right up to it and send a cloaked torpedo down its tube and set it to explode an hour later?

ok but your ship cant fit thrugh the sheld